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Posted: 3/20/2019 10:11:35 PM EST
The Noblex Glock Sight.  Fits the MOS cutout with no adapter plate.





While this isn’t full integrated into the slide, it’s as far as I’d want to go.  Any more and you’re going to have to take the entire slide out of commission to fix things if the dot goes down.

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Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:15:05 PM EST
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It's a cool concept I just wonder if you actually gain anything over the setups we see now.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:16:01 PM EST
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Tagging for updates
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:16:48 PM EST
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I don't get it. It looks like the main benefits of a RDS are limited in that small of a viewing window.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:16:55 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:17:08 PM EST
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A true cowitness would be huge for the learning curve.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:18:09 PM EST
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I'll be honest. I want to see a pop-up RMR-type sight that flips up when you draw, or can be pushed down to use iron sights.

Im certain that it has no advantages, but I has been drinking.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:18:31 PM EST
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I don't get it. It looks like the main benefits of a RDS are limited in that small of a viewing window.
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It does look really small.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:19:41 PM EST
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That is cool, but IMHO  they should have made it smooth enough to not snag on things even if it made it larger.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:19:48 PM EST
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The real future is bore sighted pistols slaved to Bluetooth enabled contact lenses.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:20:42 PM EST
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It's a cool concept I just wonder if you actually gain anything over the setups we see now.
A true cowitness would be huge for the learning curve.
Yep, something I've noticed with the Shield RMS, it's much easier to pick up the dot than with an RMR even though the glass is significantly smaller.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:21:20 PM EST
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You mean the really far in the future
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:22:53 PM EST
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It's a cool concept I just wonder if you actually gain anything over the setups we see now.
A true cowitness would be huge for the learning curve.
I’m only guessing the sight envelope is as unobtrusive as possible. Maybe the smallish window may not be an issue as long as the (MRDS) frame doesn’t interfere with sight picture(?).
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:35:43 PM EST
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Yep, something I've noticed with the Shield RMS, it's much easier to pick up the dot than with an RMR even though the glass is significantly smaller.
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It's a cool concept I just wonder if you actually gain anything over the setups we see now.
A true cowitness would be huge for the learning curve.
Yep, something I've noticed with the Shield RMS, it's much easier to pick up the dot than with an RMR even though the glass is significantly smaller.
Could it be the top of the slide allows for a more natural presentation, i.e., the end-user picks up on the more substantial top-of-slide as a reference point. From there the end-user makes those small but critical adjustments necessary for proper sight alignment and placement on target?
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:39:29 PM EST
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Still have 2 early Docter optic red dots (13 years) and still running strong
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:53:07 PM EST
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How does the end-user sight it in? I see no elevation or windage adjustment controls.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:56:55 PM EST
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I have a jpoint that is about 15 years old now and it still works great. It's been in storage. Might throw it onto a winged backup mount on a 45deg angle off the ar10
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:58:30 PM EST
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There's two set screws toward the back, one top center, one on the left.  Just guessing that those are the adjustment screws.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 10:59:51 PM EST
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I assume the two indented round areas are the adjustment "knobs"
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 11:08:17 PM EST
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Hmmm.  Made by Docter so its gotta be decent quality at least.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 11:19:24 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/20/2019 11:21:45 PM EST
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that's all I have to say!
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 11:24:47 PM EST
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I assume the two indented round areas are the adjustment "knobs"
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How does the end-user sight it in? I see no elevation or windage adjustment controls.
I assume the two indented round areas are the adjustment "knobs"
The video says no adjustment. Mount and hope for the best.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 11:34:11 PM EST
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A true cowitness would be huge for the learning curve.
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Yep, something I've noticed with the Shield RMS, it's much easier to pick up the dot than with an RMR even though the glass is significantly smaller.
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You can cowitness now with tall sights on current setups. I know it’s a bit higher but I’m not convinced that matters much after talking to and shooting with a bunch of USPSA open shooters.
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The video says no adjustment. Mount and hope for the best.
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That’s a no go for me. Guess I need to watch the damn video when I get a chance.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 11:41:32 PM EST
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Wow. No dovetail to cut.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 11:48:47 PM EST
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The entire optic needs to be level with the top of the slide.
The future is projection without a glass lens to get damaged.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 11:53:59 PM EST
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The entire optic needs to be level with the top of the slide.
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That's easy to do on a milling machine.  Everything including the vise needs to be trammed.
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 11:56:01 PM EST
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Is there any purpose to the wings on the sides?
Link Posted: 3/20/2019 11:58:54 PM EST
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To protect the lense and frame
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 12:13:03 AM EST
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what about an LED illuminated front sight?
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 12:13:41 AM EST
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Wow. No dovetail to cut.
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I think you missed something
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 1:10:33 AM EST
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Window seems a bit too small. The RMR window is small, but still workable...I don't know how well that one will be.

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Impact on top of the optic will transfer to the base instead of the glass thus prevent it from shattering easily. Trijicon RMR seems to be the only one to resist glass shattering when the pistol is dropped from shoulder height.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 1:14:20 AM EST
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Link Posted: 3/21/2019 1:15:22 AM EST
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It does look really small.
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Phrasing boom!
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 1:20:13 AM EST
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Are RMRs really that much better than irons?
How about while carrying? Does it effect that?
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 1:23:21 AM EST
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I really don't see what's so wrong with the current crop of slide-mounted dots that this supposedly solves. They're really not that bulky, they don't add size to the dimensions of the pistol that are difficult to conceal, and I wouldn't want a window much smaller than an RMR anyway. It's innovative, certainly, and will be interesting to see how it develops. I suppose I'm just skeptical for now.

What I'd really like to see is more development of frame-mounted, non-reciprocating optics on duty/carry pistols. That's the next step
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 1:24:09 AM EST
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Yes. They are really that much better
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 1:29:34 AM EST
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Kinda neat, I suppose it would make it a little easier to conceal or use in a holster? Doctor Optics makes really good sights, I had their MRDS that I sold to a buddy when I got an Aimpoint. He put it on a scope offset and it's still going strong.

I know HERA Arms had a prototype (for a very short period of time) of a red-dot with a flip up screen, I don't think it ended up being feasible at all but maybe it's a better evolution rather than such a teeny window.

Link Posted: 3/21/2019 1:30:55 AM EST
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Interesting
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 1:35:00 AM EST
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Is it me or is the most important picture not loading or borked at that link?

Not a single sight picture?

And IN before someone beats this on a fence post!
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 2:11:32 AM EST
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Looks pretty interesting.  Searching around I also see they have a shotgun sight (“5.0 VR”) that appears similar in construction.  They say it has a steel body.

https://www.optics-trade.eu/us/docter-quicksight-5-0-vr.html

Here’s a vid on the “5.0 VR”

Docter QUICKsight 5.0 VR Red Dot Sight review


ETA: I found a “through the sight” pic here: https://www.av-ase.fi/ase/tuote/noblex-glock-mos-50-moa-punapiste/4022203557804/

No idea what that site says, but here’s the pic

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No dot visible though.   Anywhoo, looking through that window, it might not be that bad of a tradeoff in size since the horizontal plane of the slide will help keep you honest in your presentation.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 2:21:20 AM EST
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Is it me or is the most important picture not loading or borked at that link?

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Go Aaron!
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 4:18:53 AM EST
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The video says no adjustment. Mount and hope for the best.
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How does the end-user sight it in? I see no elevation or windage adjustment controls.
I assume the two indented round areas are the adjustment "knobs"
The video says no adjustment. Mount and hope for the best.
Is there a video for this one?  Only one I've seen is the shotgun sight.

ETA it is adjustable
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 4:42:14 AM EST
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That looks great. I'd try it.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 4:53:42 AM EST
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I think the dot does make it easier to hit targets, because it makes it easier to see whether or not you are on target. As for acquiring targets, I'm still on the fence as to whether that's quicker with a dot than with irons. So far I've only played around with RMS sights on friends' pistols, but I have a hard time getting the presentation to be automatic. Of course, it would improve with practice.

As for carrying, I was able to put my buddy's CZ P-10c with RMR into my Safariland Glock holster no problem.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 5:03:13 AM EST
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As for acquiring targets, I'm still on the fence as to whether that's quicker with a dot than with irons. So far I've only played around with RMS sights on friends' pistols, but I have a hard time getting the presentation to be automatic. Of course, it would improve with practice.
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Once you nail the presentation everything is faster and more precise.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 5:07:56 AM EST
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You can cowitness now with tall sights on current setups. I know it's a bit higher but I'm not convinced that matters much after talking to and shooting with a bunch of USPSA open shooters.
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Once you're dialed in it probably doesn't really matter.  But in my experience a lower sight window does reduce the learning curve a bit.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 8:57:09 AM EST
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Once you're dialed in it probably doesn't really matter.  But in my experience a lower sight window does reduce the learning curve a bit.
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You can cowitness now with tall sights on current setups. I know it's a bit higher but I'm not convinced that matters much after talking to and shooting with a bunch of USPSA open shooters.
Once you're dialed in it probably doesn't really matter.  But in my experience a lower sight window does reduce the learning curve a bit.
I could believe that.  After watching my friends go back and forth between irons and dots it just reinforced to me that it’s a training issue. Saying that I know that most people don’t train enough to do it well and are better off sticking with one platform.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 9:01:32 AM EST
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I'll be honest. I want to see a pop-up RMR-type sight that flips up when you draw, or can be pushed down to use iron sights.

Im certain that it has no advantages, but I has been drinking.
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You mean like this one from NCStar/VISM?

Link Posted: 3/21/2019 9:07:17 AM EST
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Even if it's not perfect i'm pretty happy to see development going on for handgun applications.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 10:07:30 AM EST
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Yup this is how we get cool stuff. One thing I’d really like to keep seeing is more standardization for the mounting footprint. Eventually then we see more and more factory guns optimized for it.
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