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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:37:29 AM EST
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^^^This^^^

They can be pricey, but a camera system that has both forward and rear cameras, I think the Garmin has one with 3 channels, LTE, "Garmin Vault" storage.

Once the cop pulls up, if they don't announce their name, you can say" hello Officer (name), if the stop continues in an unsettling manner, you can chime in with "this camera is recording with cloud storage"

We do need a thread on this. A good camera that can see plates, especially at night, with multi-channel, and cloud storage would be worth it.
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If he's already acting like a dick, I'd leave out the cloud storage part and see if he's willing to dig himself into a bigger hole. "I wouldn't have broke that camera if I were you."
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:40:46 AM EST
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Sounds like he didn't know how to gracefully bow out of that one. SO HE JUST LEAVES! LOL!
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:44:41 AM EST
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To be honest, I just don't trust police officers anymore.

Just something about a lot of them nowadays.

It's like some of them are unreasonably proned to violence.

Some, possibly even proned to what equates to be legal murder as well.

I don't know if this is the result of the way they are trained now or what.

Many of them don't know the laws they are instructed to enforce or very little.

Either that, or they are just being willfully ignorant in order to circumvent the law.

Ask any decent lawyer and they'll likely tell you the same thing.

Buy cameras and use them during any confrontation with police from here on out.

Edit: I used to be the policeman's friend but not anymore.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:45:27 AM EST
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Sounds like he didn't know how to gracefully bow out of that one. SO HE JUST LEAVES! LOL!
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Expect more of that from younger guys who never learned how to talk to people.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:45:50 AM EST
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OP, it is Monday. Time to order the body cam footage about the stop.

But they don't have a straight policy on retention like every other agency. You may need to file a complaint in order for him to admit there is video and then request it later.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:49:01 AM EST
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Which highway?
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:49:06 AM EST
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FWIW Pennsylvania v Mimms says you need to get out of your rig if ordered to do so...
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"Citizen, pick up that can."
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:55:54 AM EST
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If you were west bound I would guess it likely he thought you had been in Colorado for marijuana purchase.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:57:21 AM EST
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So its not possible to use those window pouches to put your DL, insurance card, and registration in then hang on the outside of your window with the windows all rolled completely up when you get stopped there???
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Interdiction stop. Pennsylvania v mimms requires you to exit the vehicle when ordered to on a traffic stop, no reason is required to order you to do so.


This.

Cop was a dick, but I'm always surprised at why people think they have the right to refuse an order to get out of their car.  OP is lucky he didn't get arrested.

So its not possible to use those window pouches to put your DL, insurance card, and registration in then hang on the outside of your window with the windows all rolled completely up when you get stopped there???

Anyone?  Bueller?
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:00:15 AM EST
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When you come to accept that every “service” that the government provides is intentionally set to achieve the lowest standard possible, these type police interactions don’t seem so weird.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:05:37 AM EST
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OP, it is Monday. Time to order the body cam footage about the stop.

But they don't have a straight policy on retention like every other agency. You may need to file a complaint in order for him to admit there is video and then request it later.
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That’s what I would do. It seems like there’s been several times that is enough to trigger an internal investigation.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:06:53 AM EST
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I had a weird over the top experience lately too, for my turn signal being out. I went to the office the next day and filed a complaint. I used to support cops but lately they can fuck off.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:09:15 AM EST
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Cop was a dick, but I'm always surprised at why people think they have the right to refuse an order to get out of their car.  OP is lucky he didn't get arrested.
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If it’s not an order and it’s not associated to some sort of probable cause, and passing too close isn’t probable cause, that’s absolute bullshit and it’s an absolute abuse of authority. That’s not a cop, that’s a corrupt, jack-booted thug. Yes, he’s a dick and he needs to be reported and I would send a copy of that complaint to my congressman and whoever is the congress critter’s district this occurred in.  
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:11:51 AM EST
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Beaver county?
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:16:40 AM EST
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In VA you are required to go to the furthest lane away from any official or emergency vehicle that might be stopped along the road as well as slow your speed, I think.   I thought this is what he meant by 'passing too close'  Also I keep seeing Broderick Crawford when I think about this scenario.
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In Texas that only applies if their lights are on, not parked running radar. Is that not the case there?
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:25:36 AM EST
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Dirty cop doing drug interdiction.  Almost always stop for bs following to close or no signal changing lanes.  File a complaint
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I used to get stopped for this every weekend on my way to my place in OK. The most common reason for pulling me over was a "dirty license plate". Once was for not having my headlights on because it would be getting dark in an hour.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:31:09 AM EST
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Stop, squeeze and read. It's the easiest and fastest way to make a buck these days.

Indignant = leave alone.

Nervous = call the dog.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:37:25 AM EST
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In Texas that only applies if their lights are on, not parked running radar. Is that not the case there?
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In VA you are required to go to the furthest lane away from any official or emergency vehicle that might be stopped along the road as well as slow your speed, I think.   I thought this is what he meant by 'passing too close'  Also I keep seeing Broderick Crawford when I think about this scenario.


In Texas that only applies if their lights are on, not parked running radar. Is that not the case there?



I posted the VA code cite a page or so back, it does reference lights, but also some other items such as emergency signage and flares - not sure to interpret that as any of the items listed, or any of the items in addition to lights.  To be safe I plan to pursue the same strategy regardless.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:46:23 AM EST
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I don't know I wasn't there. But if I'm asking someone out I'm only asking to be courteous followed by ordering followed by forcing.

I don't know, most likely to compare stories about travel and stop locations between you and the passenger. Ok you are free to do that.

Only need RAS for a stop. But even 1 mph over or literally any other witnessed violation would be PC and pretext stops are a thing. No you don't need to get stopped immediately. You may let a vehicle travel for possibly miles watching for driving conduct after the first indicator or offense.

Yes, he was probably looking for a large amount of drugs or cash.

I have a feeling I could spend an hour explaining case law and interdiction tactics and no response would satisfy you.
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:51:13 AM EST
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Last fishing expedition I got pulled over for was close to 10 years ago in Athens, GA. We were hanging out with some of the GF's friends and wanted to go into a place that carded but she forgot her DL so I drove back to her place in my old 7.3 F250 which is fairly loud and really slow. I accelerated hard, it can't spin the wheels lol, making a lot of noise ultimately hitting 50 in a 45 and got stopped because "I must have been going really fast" according to the officer, he wasn't running radar. There is an "exhibition of speed statute" which would have been a riot to defend but he just thought he had a drunk college kid. As soon as he figured out I wasn't that he sent me on my way. I also wasn't going fast enough for him to legally stop me.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:58:42 AM EST
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Is there a dash cam that captures front, back and out the driver's side window? Or would you just have to turn it to the left?
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 12:00:39 PM EST
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Cops love to create awkward silence in the hopes you will start talking and incriminate yourself.
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I work in a secure area of a hospital.  
The police do scheduled patrols on the unit.  The new cop guy wears a black ball cap with the brim pulled low over his eyes.
His routine is to come through 5 security doors, walk up behind my desk and stare at me for 15 seconds before moving on.  So far I’ve been able resist incriminating myself.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 12:09:16 PM EST
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Best policy is to ask if cops ordering you to do something, whatever, and if so, then do everything they order, to be challenged in court later. If the cop equivocates, not saying it's an order, then decline.

From the beginning, if something smells fishy, just invoke your 5th amendment rights and shut up. You have to show driver's license and proof of insurance. You don't have to do much else unless ordered. Just don't give them an excuse to add obstruction and resisting an arrest to the issue.

You're on camera so be polite and use common sense. The cop will look like a fool once the video is reviewed.

They have a limited amount of time they can hold you for a ticket courts have held, unless they find probable cause to dig deeper, so don't give them anything to prolong the stop. If they prolong it beyond a reasonable length of time, anything they find after that can be suppressed if they have no probable cause. Interesting case I just viewed, throws a wrench into that strategy whereby the cop can determine probable cause long after the arrest (digs deep to think of one) to steer clear of false arrest. That's amazing. Was affirmed in 8th circuit I believe. See:

Court Says Cops Can Come Up w/Probable Cause AFTER the Arrest
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 12:13:29 PM EST
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Pretty good and informative response, right up the the final inappropriate, rather petulant remark.
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I would not go as far as to say petulant, but either way I agree with the statement. No matter how correct he is, some on here will always say he is wrong, and start rambling on about asset forfeiture, qualified immunity, etc.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 12:56:47 PM EST
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......which is the step before the unlawful search.

They're not getting you out because they want you to have a better fighting stance. It's because they want you out of the way.
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This has me posing my question from earlier again. What would the guys point be to get me out of the car, especially when all he's done so far is to give me a reason for stopping me that doesn't even add up?

I'd tell my wife to lock the doors when I got out.

I would not agree to a search of myself nor the vehicle.

I would ask again as to what I am actually be stopped for.

If his line of questioning strayed for the actual reason, I would let him know that I am not interested in speaking about anything outside of him citing me for whatever that infraction was and he could begin that process immediately.

If he again begins to stray, I would remind the officer that he cannot hold me here any longer than it is to write me the ticket for that issue.

So what is the point of having me outside of the car, with my wife seperated from me locked inside the car where he could now no longer watch both of us at the same time?
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 1:08:33 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 1:16:12 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 1:20:07 PM EST
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This has me posing my question from earlier again. What would the guys point be to get me out of the car, especially when all he's done so far is to give me a reason for stopping me that doesn't even add up?
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So what is the point of having me outside of the car, with my wife seperated from me locked inside the car where he could now no longer watch both of us at the same time?
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He has limited things he can force you to do legally, and making you get out of the car is one. If it's a fishing expedition, maybe he finds a weapon on you, etc. Maybe he's testing how cooperative vs nervous you are. Maybe you spill the beans when out of your comfort zone in the car. Maybe he separates you two to see if your stories line up. Maybe he's power hungry and just likes bullying people for kicks. He's just pushing the limits of the stop as far as he can legally, IMHO, hoping for something to allow a search, DUI testing, arrest, etc.

I suppose if he were legitimately worried you'd bolt when he went back to the squad car to do paperwork, then having you wait at the rear of your car might nix that possibility. But to do it on every stop is kind of ridiculous.

Officer safety is the official reason that courts allow it.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 1:23:45 PM EST
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This has me posing my question from earlier again. What would the guys point be to get me out of the car, especially when all he's done so far is to give me a reason for stopping me that doesn't even add up?

I'd tell my wife to lock the doors when I got out.

I would not agree to a search of myself nor the vehicle.

I would ask again as to what I am actually be stopped for.

If his line of questioning strayed for the actual reason, I would let him know that I am not interested in speaking about anything outside of him citing me for whatever that infraction was and he could begin that process immediately.

If he again begins to stray, I would remind the officer that he cannot hold me here any longer than it is to write me the ticket for that issue.

So what is the point of having me outside of the car, with my wife seperated from me locked inside the car where he could now no longer watch both of us at the same time?
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You are aware he can pull your wife out as well and separate the two of you right?

As to why he would do it you would need to know what he was looking for. If you suspect any kind of impairment movement and different types of interaction are ways they use to judge that.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 1:24:39 PM EST
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Wife and I were traveling back from a weekend getaway in Utah in the same state we live in, so no out of state plates. We have a very nice car and look 'normal', so no weird profiling or anything that screamed drugs or whatever.

I get a notice on our GPS that there was a speed control ahead and check my speed - 5mph over posted limit. We drive another 3-4 minutes and pass the highway patrol marked cop in the center of the road. I didn't think twice about it.

15 seconds later I see him pull out and get in our lane, speed up and turns his lights on. I kind of laughed and told my wife that we're getting a ticket for going 5mph over on the highway. She just shook her head.

Pull over the usual license/registration talk. He asks if I know why I was pulled over and I said that I do not. Mumbles something about 'passing too close to another car' which got a really weird look out of my wife and I because the last car we had passed was well before we had passed the cop car. Totally didn't make sense.

I'm like...umm...ok. Cop stands there and stares at me for like 10/15 seconds as he's standing there with my license and registration in his hand. He then says out of nowhere to 'step out of the car please' and I ask him why, and he repeats it. I tell him I am not interested in stepping outside of my car for a traffic violation let alone one that doesn't make any sense.

He stares at us for another 10/15 seconds and both the wife and I are wondering what in the hell is about to happen. It was like something out of some weird fucking movie where every line had like 20 seconds of nothing between them.

He then turns and walks back to his car without another word. We are both confused as fuck and watch him in the rear view. We're trying to figure out WTF is going on and if 40 other police cars are about to show up for God knows what. It was so weird that my wife found our attorney's number in her phone and was ready to call it.

5 or so minutes later, no additional cop cars and officer shows back up and hands my paperwork back. More silence. He then randomly asks, what we have in our car and what are we hiding?

I don't answer and just wait for whatever comes next. I'm actually annoyed at this point.

He again, stands there for 15 seconds and says absolutely nothing. Then turns, gets in his car, sits in it for a minute and drives away past us.

What in the actual fuck?

The only thing we could think of is that he was on some fishing expedition using some shit he had gotten away with in the past and realized we weren't morons?
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You found a tarded cop.

Seriously, that's probably what's going on. They hired an utter shitbird, he's out on his own, and he has no idea what the fuck he's doing or why. His actions are dumb, and he's a giant liability to his agency. It sounds like he was bored and pulled you over because he was bored, and then tried making up a reason.

Call up the agency he works for, ask for IA or their head honcho, and file a complaint. It's the best way to get rid of him, but it needs documentation. If the guy did it once he'll do it again, and if they don't fire him, it's at least fuel for the inevitable civil rights lawsuit that someone else is going to file down the road (go call TCRL).

Back in the academy I was headed in one morning and watched a trooper suddenly pull out into traffic and stop a random car ahead of me. It was rather odd since everyone was doing the exact same speed, almost exactly the speed limit (during rush hour). The next day, our guest instructor, a Lt teaching traffic stops, came into class in a towering rage. He'd been in that exact same stretch of road and was pulled over by undoubtedly the same trooper, who claimed the Lt had been speeding 10+ over. Anyone who had met the Lt, and knew what an epic redwood tree he had growing up his ass, would never for a moment believe him capable of violating the speed limit by 1 MPH without sustaining an aneurysm. And traffic in that area simply doesn't allow it to happen anyways.

Coincidentally enough, there was a regional conference of the highway cops high brass going on down the hallway at the academy. The Lt marched in there and directly threw the troopers name out and accused him of falsifying traffic stops. Never heard the outcome, but given that the prevailing sentiment from their brass was quoted verbatim as "there are only two types of troopers: those who are under investigation and those who ought to be under investigation", the safe assumption is that his employment was terminated with prejudice.

I've always kinda hoped for being the recipient of a stop like that. The drama would suck, but shitcanning asshats is worth it.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 1:26:40 PM EST
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This has me posing my question from earlier again. What would the guys point be to get me out of the car, especially when all he's done so far is to give me a reason for stopping me that doesn't even add up?

I'd tell my wife to lock the doors when I got out.

I would not agree to a search of myself nor the vehicle.

I would ask again as to what I am actually be stopped for.

If his line of questioning strayed for the actual reason, I would let him know that I am not interested in speaking about anything outside of him citing me for whatever that infraction was and he could begin that process immediately.

If he again begins to stray, I would remind the officer that he cannot hold me here any longer than it is to write me the ticket for that issue.

So what is the point of having me outside of the car, with my wife seperated from me locked inside the car where he could now no longer watch both of us at the same time?
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......which is the step before the unlawful search.

They're not getting you out because they want you to have a better fighting stance. It's because they want you out of the way.


This has me posing my question from earlier again. What would the guys point be to get me out of the car, especially when all he's done so far is to give me a reason for stopping me that doesn't even add up?

I'd tell my wife to lock the doors when I got out.

I would not agree to a search of myself nor the vehicle.

I would ask again as to what I am actually be stopped for.

If his line of questioning strayed for the actual reason, I would let him know that I am not interested in speaking about anything outside of him citing me for whatever that infraction was and he could begin that process immediately.

If he again begins to stray, I would remind the officer that he cannot hold me here any longer than it is to write me the ticket for that issue.

So what is the point of having me outside of the car, with my wife seperated from me locked inside the car where he could now no longer watch both of us at the same time?


Opening the door to have you step out opens up more "plain view" for anything he might not be able to see, also gets you out of "your" space, and into a more nuetral/his space for questions.

Only times I ever had someone step out on traffic was on highway stops to get away from having my butt hanging out in traffic, or if I was going to try and get into the car. Otherwise, I didn't want someone out roaming around while I was in my car doing my stuff
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This has me posing my question from earlier again. What would the guys point be to get me out of the car, especially when all he's done so far is to give me a reason for stopping me that doesn't even add up?

I'd tell my wife to lock the doors when I got out.

I would not agree to a search of myself nor the vehicle.

I would ask again as to what I am actually be stopped for.

If his line of questioning strayed for the actual reason, I would let him know that I am not interested in speaking about anything outside of him citing me for whatever that infraction was and he could begin that process immediately.

If he again begins to stray, I would remind the officer that he cannot hold me here any longer than it is to write me the ticket for that issue.

So what is the point of having me outside of the car, with my wife seperated from me locked inside the car where he could now no longer watch both of us at the same time?
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I doesn’t sound like they are saying it was reasonable for that cop to ask you to get out.  Just giving reasons why a cop might order someone out of the vehicle.

Obviously the guy did a bit of thinking and made the right decision to end the fishing trip.  He probably remembered that his camera footage would have to be reconciled with whatever he wrote in a report.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 1:38:33 PM EST
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These guys have a hard enough time patrolling the streets and highways for outlaws and criminals. Give them your papers and courtesy.

Why get a dash cam? What have you got to hide?
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Nothing.

But that still doesn't change the facts about what some police officers are out there doing now.

Period.

Look and examine some of the videos that are out there now on the subject.

Incredible.
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Sarcasm?

I hope
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 1:46:28 PM EST
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Each day I get closer and closer to becoming one of those guys on YouTube saying:  "Am I being detained?"  &  "I don't answer questions"
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 2:06:58 PM EST
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All the arf leos get super butthurt about it, but Terry, Cortez, Sharpe, and depending on the state many other cases dictate that the police cannot expand the scope of the stop outside of what he originally pulled you over for. If he doesn't have a reasonable suspicion that you have illegal drugs in the car, he shouldn't be taking time to ask questions that aren't relevant to the justification of the stop at its inception. Yes, cops do it all the time. That doesn't mean it's technically illegal, and yes, motions in limine are regularly won because of this.

ETA: Before any of the LEO BRO community says "wHaT aBoUt pReTeXtUaL sToPs????" Yes, they are constitutional but the concept of a pretextual stop doesn't mean that 1) you dont need an articulable reasonable suspicion that a crime has been or is being committed, and 2) that you can immediate ask lots of questions that prolong the traffic stop beyond the time it would reasonably take to say "you have a tail light out, and I'm going to write you a ticket" and then doing so.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 2:08:17 PM EST
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OP played it nice and cool and handled it better than me. I mighta went to jail for this one.

I'm always respectful and friendly to LE until they do stupid shit or treat me different than I have treated them, which thankfully, I have very few run ins and 99.9% of them go well.

When or if something like this happens, I know, I have not broken any laws except maybe speeding or some other weak ass driving infraction.
So, IF forced we can play "Who can be a bigger AHole".  I can afford a good lawyer if needed and will do so.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 2:11:32 PM EST
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I got pulled over for rolling a stop sign once. Now, I had never interacted with this particular officer, but I knew exactly who he was and his reputation.

He goes off on me about how I could have killed someone, rolling a stop sign. Asks for license and insurance. He asks "Do you have any weapons in the car?" I say "No." He asks if I have any nuclear bombs in the car. I say "No." He asks if I have any "bombs, claymores, grenades or rocket launchers in the car?" JFC dude, "no." Then he says "Is there any dope in the car?" I say "No." He says "Would you mind if I checked just to make sure?" I say "Yes, as a matter of fact I WOULD MIND if you did that." He says "Well, if you don't have any dope in the car why won't you let me search?" I say "Because you don't have a reason to." He says "Yes I do, to see if there's dope in your car." I say "Well I don't know what to tell you. Already said 4 times I don't have dope in the car."

He says "ok, wait here." Went back to his cruiser for about 20 minutes. Came back with a ticket and told me not to smoke dope anymore. Then, after I got to the YMCA (where I was going this whole time), I go to grab my gym bag out of my back seat. Low and behold, there is my karambit chilling in it's sheath, in plain view. Guess he didn't notice it.
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My dash cam came in very handy when I was hit by a hit and run driver.  I had no problems getting a police report that the other driver was at fault when I went to the station and showed the cop at the desk the video on my phone.
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I've never been asked to get out on a traffic stop, and would be suspicious as to why.

"Officer safety" is an abused term that I have zero respect for, and Mimms is a bullshit rulling.  I don't care what anyone has to say about so-called officer safety, if they can't articulate a legitimate reason at the time, they have no reason to be forcing people out of vehicles.

The more and more police abuse, including that wonderful crime called civil asset forfeiture, the more the people will be distrusting of police, and consider them the adversary.
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its a tactic, silence makes people uncomfortable and will start talking to fill the silence
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All I know is when I told him no thanks, he just stood there like a weirdo for 20 seconds looking at me like he was waiting for the next page of Policing 101 to load.


its a tactic, silence makes people uncomfortable and will start talking to fill the silence


I was about to say this. Looks like somebody just did some in-service training on interview techniques and the pregnant pause, but didn't take notes.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 2:35:58 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 2:43:57 PM EST
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I got pulled over for rolling a stop sign once. Now, I had never interacted with this particular officer, but I knew exactly who he was and his reputation.

He goes off on me about how I could have killed someone, rolling a stop sign. Asks for license and insurance. He asks "Do you have any weapons in the car?" I say "No." He asks if I have any nuclear bombs in the car. I say "No." He asks if I have any "bombs, claymores, grenades or rocket launchers in the car?" JFC dude, "no." Then he says "Is there any dope in the car?" I say "No." He says "Would you mind if I checked just to make sure?" I say "Yes, as a matter of fact I WOULD MIND if you did that." He says "Well, if you don't have any dope in the car why won't you let me search?" I say "Because you don't have a reason to." He says "Yes I do, to see if there's dope in your car." I say "Well I don't know what to tell you. Already said 4 times I don't have dope in the car."

He says "ok, wait here." Went back to his cruiser for about 20 minutes. Came back with a ticket and told me not to smoke dope anymore. Then, after I got to the YMCA (where I was going this whole time), I go to grab my gym bag out of my back seat. Low and behold, there is my karambit chilling in it's sheath, in plain view. Guess he didn't notice it.
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"There is not and never has been anything illegal in my car"

Repeating that after every stupid question really seems to irritate them.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 2:48:15 PM EST
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Best policy is to ask if cops ordering you to do something, whatever, and if so, then do everything they order, to be challenged in court later. If the cop equivocates, not saying it's an order, then decline.

From the beginning, if something smells fishy, just invoke your 5th amendment rights and shut up. You have to show driver's license and proof of insurance. You don't have to do much else unless ordered. Just don't give them an excuse to add obstruction and resisting an arrest to the issue.

You're on camera so be polite and use common sense. The cop will look like a fool once the video is reviewed.

They have a limited amount of time they can hold you for a ticket courts have held, unless they find probable cause to dig deeper, so don't give them anything to prolong the stop. If they prolong it beyond a reasonable length of time, anything they find after that can be suppressed if they have no probable cause. Interesting case I just viewed, throws a wrench into that strategy whereby the cop can determine probable cause long after the arrest (digs deep to think of one) to steer clear of false arrest. That's amazing. Was affirmed in 8th circuit I believe. See:

Court Says Cops Can Come Up w/Probable Cause AFTER the Arrest
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Re-read ALL this.  It's truth.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 2:53:05 PM EST
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You found a tarded cop.

Seriously, that's probably what's going on. They hired an utter shitbird, he's out on his own, and he has no idea what the fuck he's doing or why. His actions are dumb, and he's a giant liability to his agency. It sounds like he was bored and pulled you over because he was bored, and then tried making up a reason.

Call up the agency he works for, ask for IA or their head honcho, and file a complaint. It's the best way to get rid of him, but it needs documentation. If the guy did it once he'll do it again, and if they don't fire him, it's at least fuel for the inevitable civil rights lawsuit that someone else is going to file down the road (go call TCRL).

Back in the academy I was headed in one morning and watched a trooper suddenly pull out into traffic and stop a random car ahead of me. It was rather odd since everyone was doing the exact same speed, almost exactly the speed limit (during rush hour). The next day, our guest instructor, a Lt teaching traffic stops, came into class in a towering rage. He'd been in that exact same stretch of road and was pulled over by undoubtedly the same trooper, who claimed the Lt had been speeding 10+ over. Anyone who had met the Lt, and knew what an epic redwood tree he had growing up his ass, would never for a moment believe him capable of violating the speed limit by 1 MPH without sustaining an aneurysm. And traffic in that area simply doesn't allow it to happen anyways.

Coincidentally enough, there was a regional conference of the highway cops high brass going on down the hallway at the academy. The Lt marched in there and directly threw the troopers name out and accused him of falsifying traffic stops. Never heard the outcome, but given that the prevailing sentiment from their brass was quoted verbatim as "there are only two types of troopers: those who are under investigation and those who ought to be under investigation", the safe assumption is that his employment was terminated with prejudice.

I've always kinda hoped for being the recipient of a stop like that. The drama would suck, but shitcanning asshats is worth it.
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 2:55:55 PM EST
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Multiple pages of posters that need to watch " Pot Brothers at Law" videos.



25 words between you and the cop, no more.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 2:58:01 PM EST
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Multiple pages of posters that need to watch " Pot Brothers at Law" videos.



25 words between you and the cop, no more.
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Shut the fuck up fridays!
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