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Posted: 12/16/2019 10:47:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2019 4:42:04 PM EST by Miami_JBT]
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Holy shit.
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[Last Edit: 12/16/2019 10:52:32 AM EST by vengarr]
OUTSTANDING! Now if the USVI would do it I could go back home and visit.
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Wow good for PR.
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 10:53:27 AM EST
That's quite the change. Still infringing like a son of a bitch, but definitely a move in the right direction.
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Originally Posted By jDrexler:
Holy shit.
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FPFNI
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 10:55:20 AM EST
How in the world did that happen? Alan Gottleib buy a vacation home and wet the governor's beak with a few hundred grand?

Kharn
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 10:55:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2019 10:55:45 AM EST by Evil_Ryu]
IIRC, there were NO gun laws after SCOTUS ruled all their previous draconian bullshit was unconstitutional.

This is just PR Gov scrambling to put up less restrictive but "reasonable" unconstitutional bullshit.
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That's... the last thing I'd expect from PR.
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But April is months away!
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:02:59 AM EST
Maybe Cuomo should follow their lead.
We all know that wouldn't happen.
I'm sure he is writing his condemnation email to the PR Governor as we speak
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Gosh damn! The PR has better laws than PRNJ now? Frick.
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:06:18 AM EST
Awesome
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I finally got to explain "paste no bills" signs on telephone poles in our area to my wife when we were in PR, she had never seen pasted advertisements before.

Yeap, it's a dump.

Kharn
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:07:28 AM EST
Well, hot damn...
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Originally Posted By Strizzo:
But April is months away!
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Originally Posted By Strizzo:
But April is months away!
Ammoland reported it....haven't seen a 2nd source
Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
That's quite the change. Still infringing like a son of a bitch, but definitely a move in the right direction.
this.
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Hell of a lot better than NY, NJ, MA, MD, CA, DC, HI, and elsewhere.
well, yeah. But still....permits...fucking permits. Free men don't need to ask permission.
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:08:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Hell of a lot better than NY, NJ, MA, MD, CA, DC, HI, and elsewhere.
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
That's quite the change. Still infringing like a son of a bitch, but definitely a move in the right direction.
Hell of a lot better than NY, NJ, MA, MD, CA, DC, HI, and elsewhere.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad thing at all. A person living there suddenly gets a lot more of a taste of their constitutional rights than they currently have.
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Will President Trump congratulate Puerto Rico for passing pro 2nd Amendment gun laws like he did when Florida passed Anti 2nd Amendment gun laws?
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Maybe he can make the announcement when he stops by during his campaign tour or when he's stumping for a US congressmen over there
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:10:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Holt Shit indeed.
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Originally Posted By jDrexler:
Holy shit.
Holt Shit indeed.
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:10:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2019 11:12:44 AM EST by myltwon]
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yeah if you stand on the beach and face away from the country and towards the ocean it's really pretty

Same trick works pretty well for Haiti too

Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:11:06 AM EST
Good for them.
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Originally Posted By nukldragr: Awesome
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Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
No shit?

When was the last time a State moved so far in the right direction?
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Florida and Texas with shall issue? A bit different, PR was one of the worst.

This should be an interesting test case for guns and crime, since crime is so high there and the change in law so dramatic
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:12:29 AM EST
Oh wow!

Not perfect but a massive improvement. Never would expect to see that from PR!
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:12:35 AM EST
A great step in the right direction.

Now let's see NY, NJ, Ca......and the rest of those states of similar ilk take a similar direction.
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Hell of a lot better than NY, NJ, MA, MD, CA, DC, HI, and elsewhere.
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Not really. In CA you can own guns without any permit. It isn’t an easy comparison.
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:16:14 AM EST
Guess I can visit the Caribbean now.
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:16:36 AM EST
Socialist island Mexico now has better gun rights than most of the north east and west coast. That is rather unbelievable.
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Sounds great on the outside. Is it just a show put on for US conservatives though?

On the inside, Despite how much they cry to be accepted as a State, we still should not be willing to pay the costs of them becoming a State.
In fact, that particular US Territory is a huge financial drain for the US taxpayers with very little for that territory to offer in return to the mainland.
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Originally Posted By America-first:
A great step in the right direction.

Now let's see NY, NJ, Ca......and the rest of those states of similar ilk take a similar direction.
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These states are playing games by trying to just stay within the lines of what courts will allow. PR was just blatant. Also it is hard to argue PRs laws made anyone safe.

I expect PR to be safer as a result and provide us good data.
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:21:16 AM EST
Having shot with members of the PRNG team at the Nationals, I encourage their participation in shooting sports...and lots and lots and lots of practice.
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:21:31 AM EST
I don't believe it
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:22:51 AM EST
That is an impressive change
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
That's quite the change. Still infringing like a son of a bitch, but definitely a move in the right direction.
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Let's now pretend and act like the left. So the next question is, since this isn't a far enough move to the right, what's the next move we can take to move further to the right? No matter how big or small how do we push this change forward in the right direction? Perhaps after a little while it needs to change to 30000 rounds of ammunition in 15 Firearms a year draws attention. And then a few after that 40,000 rounds and 20 Firearms a year. So on and so forth.
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:24:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
On December 11, 2019, Governor Wanda Vázquez Garced signed Act No. 168. into law. The new law totally re-writes Puerto Rico firearms law. It is the most sweeping change in firearms law in the history of Puerto Rico.

Act No. 168

Translation - Given the decisions of the Supreme Federal Court, it is necessary to take action to safeguard and protect the rights of American citizens residing in Puerto Rico, through a new Weapons Law that is consistent with the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, with decisions of the Supreme Court, and make it clear that, in Puerto Rico, carrying and possessing firearms is a fundamental and individual right, as in the rest of the Nation.

The most sweeping change in Act No. 168 is to eliminate the restrictive and burdensome requirements of the old law in obtaining a permit to purchase, own, or carry firearms. The new law enacts a shall-issue system that requires a permit to be issued if the applicant meets the legal requirements. The legal requirements are essentially the same as in the United States for firearms ownership; except for a uniform minimum age of 21. This was likely influenced by recent legislation in California, Washington, and Florida.

The old May Issue system is gone. No kore spending $1,500, with no guarantee of obtaining a permit to own a gun at the end of the long process.

The new Shall Issue system is $200, with a guarantee of a permit as long as the applicant meets the requirements, which has been greatly reduced. It is like other Shall Issue systems. The permit is valid for five years. The renewal fee is $100.

Under the new law,the ownership permit and CCW permit were merged into one thing. So now the public can conceal carry without a problem.

Obtaining a permit to carry under the old system, was impossible and costly. It was like trying to get a CCW in NJ, Massachusetts, or Maryland.

The government now has a limit of 45 days in which to investigate and issue a permit. After the first year the new system is in place, the limit is reduced to 30 days.

Puerto Rico will recognize all other firearm permits issued in the United States or territories of the United States. This warning, in Spanish and English, is to be posted at all ports and airports:

FIREARMS WARNING

Every person, not authorized to have firearms under Puerto Rico laws, and who does not hold a valid weapons permit issued in any State, enclave, possession or territory of the United States of America, who brings a firearm with him/her or in his/her luggage, must give immediate notice to the Ports Authority Security Office and an officer of the Police Bureau of Puerto Rico upon arrival. Noncompliance with this notice may carry prison penalties. The Ports Authority Security Office and/or an Authorized Agent will inform you on how to proceed with your weapon."


Under the new law, if a firearms owner purchases more than 20,000 rounds of ammunition in a year; or more than 10 firearms in a year; the police chief may investigate to ensure the ammunition and firearms were purchased for lawful reasons.

The collection of firearms is specifically protected under the new law. There are no limits to the number of firearms which may be collected.

Under the new law, "assault weapons are banned", except for those people with a firearms permit. So if you have a Shall Issue Permit or if you legally possess it in your State of Residence. Basically, it is like how Florida treats MGs, SBRs, etc... they're illegal in the State, unless you have a NFA stamp. So All the guns thst fit an "assault weapons" definition are legal. This part of the nee law is to be used as an additional criminal charge for criminals using guns in crimes.

Under the new law, target shooting is to be encouraged by the government of Puerto Rico. The establishment of clubs, shooting organizations, and competitions are to be promoted by the government.

People without firearms permits will be allowed to shoot at licensed ranges. Under the old system, if you didn't have a permit you couldn't touch a gun period.

While the requirement to apply and pay for a firearms permit may seem burdensome to gun owners in many states, Act No. 168 is an enormous step toward respecting Second Amendment rights in Puerto Rico.

Consider this....the permit must be issued. The permit includes the right to carry for self-defense. There is complete recognition of all permits issued in the United States. There are, effectively, no limits on the number of firearms or amount of ammunition which may be purchased and used.

Moreover, the law specifically states its purpose is to bring Puerto Rico under the protections of the Second Amendment of the United States.

If the Supreme Court further clarifies and restores those protections, as expected, the law will be subject to revision to bring the benefits of the Second Amendment to Puerto Rico.

The law goes into effect on 1 January 2020.
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Awesome, glad to see the 2A winning.

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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Holt Shit indeed.
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Originally Posted By jDrexler:
Holy shit.
Holt Shit indeed.
I literally said that out loud. I used to work in PR in a dangerous field and hated the fact that I couldn't carry while there.
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
You can't own non nurtured ARs and 30rd mags unless you were grandfathered in. Also you can't get a ton of handguns because of your roster.

PR now has better gun laws than a number of states.
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But we don’t require a government permit to own a gun. There is a ton of shit here that is legal and off the books.

Also, all mags made prior to freedom week are grandfathered in if they are in state
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:25:49 AM EST
Holy Shit, so Puerto Rico’s gun laws now make more sense the VA’s proposed laws.

This is a weird reality we’re living in.
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:26:13 AM EST
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Still a shit hole. But at least they appear to be able to somewhat comprehend the constitution. Wish the fucking USSC could do the same.
Link Posted: 12/16/2019 11:27:44 AM EST
Hot damn.

Just got back from there. Sucked carrying a steak knife in my pants and a makeshift spear in the jeep
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