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Posted: 11/24/2022 9:39:43 AM EST
I don't know how many times I've heard it, that pistols are insignificant for use in combat. Pistols don't win wars, but damn if they aren't effective against civilians. If S ever HTF in my AO, I'll have a pistol on me.
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Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:43:59 AM EST
[#1]
When a man with a .45 meets a man with a rifle, the man with a pistol will be a dead man. That's an old Mexican Proverb...and it's true.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:44:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By amprecon:
I don't know how many times I've heard it, that pistols are insignificant for use in combat. Pistols don't win wars, but damn if they aren't effective against civilians. If S ever HTF in my AO, I'll have a pistol on me.
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The shit that comes to some of you on Thanksgiving morning...
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:45:16 AM EST
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CSB
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:45:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By amprecon:
I don't know how many times I've heard it, that pistols are insignificant for use in combat. Pistols don't win wars, but damn if they aren't effective against civilians. If S ever HTF in my AO, I'll have a pistol on me.
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This is what goes through your mind on Thanksgiving ?
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:47:06 AM EST
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Happy Thanksgiving?

Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:49:29 AM EST
[#6]
One in five handgun shootings are fatal OP.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:49:44 AM EST
[#7]
I can't tell you how many times we've all heard it, pistols don't win wars and it's true alone, pistols don't. But I can't believe they are a completely insignificant tool for use in wars.
I'm just reacting the these shootings that have been taking place recently where the shooters have been using pistols rather than the dreaded "assault rifles".
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:50:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By chmodx:


The shit that comes to some of you on Thanksgiving morning...
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Lol this
OP isn’t wrong but…
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:50:57 AM EST
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Meh, we can still talk guns on Thanksgiving.   Pistols are great for what they are.  Small, concealable weapons.  On you whenever you need 'em, just in case.
If you're expecting a fight, carry a rifle.

Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:51:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rmakak:
When a man with a .45 meets a man with a rifle, the man with a pistol will be a dead man. That's an old Mexican Proverb...and it's true.
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not at 3 ft.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:51:14 AM EST
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Someone who can't differentiate between immediate incapacitation and killing will be along shortly to correct you OP.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:52:24 AM EST
[#12]
Pistols don't win wars.  So if your goal is to win the war, you don't need a pistol.  

A pistol MAY help you win a fight.  Probably not a rifle fight, but maybe a fist/knife/bayonet fight.  So if your goal is to survive that fight, you may want a pistol.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:52:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Swampgrass:


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I can’t wait to see what goes on in his head on Christmas morning.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:53:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rmakak:
When a man with a .45 meets a man with a rifle, the man with a pistol will be a dead man. That's an old Mexican Proverb...and it's true.
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Unless your Mike Rousseau….
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:53:46 AM EST
[#15]
Well I'm thankful OP hasn't stopped thinking about guns today.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:54:05 AM EST
[#16]
Shotgun with birdshot is superior.  Meat-from-bone performance without overpenetration.  

You could also have the best of both worlds and use a Taurus Judge.  Mine fits great in an Uncle Mikes holster.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:54:15 AM EST
[#17]
The Russians and Germans used pistols very successfully in WW2....
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:54:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By amprecon:
I can't tell you how many times we've all heard it, pistols don't win wars and it's true alone, pistols don't. But I can't believe they are a completely insignificant tool for use in wars.
I'm just reacting the these shootings that have been taking place recently where the shooters have been using pistols rather than the dreaded "assault rifles".
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wars and street crime aren't remotely similar
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:55:38 AM EST
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I think you are conflating war with self defense.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:55:51 AM EST
[#20]
I'd like to say I am thankful I have a rifle and not just a pistol.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:56:19 AM EST
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Originally Posted By chmodx:


The shit that comes to some of you on Thanksgiving morning...
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Originally Posted By chmodx:
Originally Posted By amprecon:
I don't know how many times I've heard it, that pistols are insignificant for use in combat. Pistols don't win wars, but damn if they aren't effective against civilians. If S ever HTF in my AO, I'll have a pistol on me.


The shit that comes to some of you on Thanksgiving morning...


I saw a guy here say it was just him, his dogs and his guns at his house.

Apparently the cutlery, lampshades, curtains, and other inanimate objects at his house don't make the cut.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:57:03 AM EST
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Get both is the correct answer. Learn to transition between them.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 9:58:48 AM EST
[#23]
I used to think the whole “use your pistol to get to a rifle” was bullshit.

It’s not.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:00:23 AM EST
[#24]
Pistols are hard to shoot well.   Be honest with yourselves, who puts in the work with a pistol to actually engage an active threat?   Who is good enough with a pistol to take on a guy with less training on a rifle at 25-50 yards?  Rifle wins 75% of the time.  

Your post counts are too high to be dry firing like you should be doing.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:03:44 AM EST
[#25]
Didn't Cooper have some line about your pistol being needed to fight your way to your rifle?

Also something about "if you don't think you'll need a gun, have a pistol.  if you think you'll need a gun, have a rifle, or better, a rifle and a bunch of friends with their rifles"

Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:06:41 AM EST
[#26]
Well Smith and Wesson didn't name these Combat Magnum and Distinguished Combat Magnum for nothing.


Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:06:45 AM EST
[#27]
OP is fantasizing about executing civilians, on Thanksgiving Day.


That’s not weird at all.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:08:24 AM EST
[#28]
Yeah..a AR pistol
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:09:09 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Swampgrass:


I saw a guy here say it was just him, his dogs and his guns at his house.

Apparently the cutlery, lampshades, curtains, and other inanimate objects at his house don't make the cut.
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Truth: I used to investigate insurance liability and when we would conduct origin and cause investigations for fires, the redneck arson check is whether their dogs and guns survived.  If both did it was a suspicious fire, guaranteed.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:11:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By VoxLibertatis:
OP is fantasizing about executing civilians, on Thanksgiving Day.


That’s not weird at all.
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I am politely asking you to not be obtuse.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:11:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By amprecon:
I can't tell you how many times we've all heard it, pistols don't win wars and it's true alone, pistols don't. But I can't believe they are a completely insignificant tool for use in wars.
I'm just reacting the these shootings that have been taking place recently where the shooters have been using pistols rather than the dreaded "assault rifles".
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The presence of pistols don’t change the outcomes of wars. They change personal outcomes.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:15:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By amprecon:
I don't know how many times I've heard it, that pistols are insignificant for use in combat. Pistols don't win wars, but damn if they aren't effective against civilians. If S ever HTF in my AO, I'll have a pistol on me.
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That's why I'm keeping a pistol on me for Thanksgiving today.

Happy Thanksgiving, by the way. May you strengthen bonds with trustworthy people and may you mitigate your irritation for the rancid ones.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:16:34 AM EST
[#33]
Stay strapped or get clapped
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:18:22 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AKSU:
One in five handgun shootings are fatal OP.
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How many of that 20% were fatal at the scene? How many were immediately fatal?
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:19:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By amprecon:
I don't know how many times I've heard it, that pistols are insignificant for use in combat. Pistols don't win wars, but damn if they aren't effective against civilians. If S ever HTF in my AO, I'll have a pistol on me.
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Artillery wins wars.

Rifles and pistols take care of any survivors.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:19:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By crownvic96:
The Russians and Germans used pistols very successfully in WW2....
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Like OP said, effective against civilians.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:20:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: Palm] [#37]
Pistols are for play; rifles are for real.  Now it is a little bit awkward taking a rifle to the grocery store. In my book pistols are an excellent exit strategy.  I have no intentions of caring on a fire fight with a pistol; I will leave that to the guys who will show up with rifles to go in for the kill.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:20:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: Krombompulos_Michael] [#38]
The Marine in the center agrees with you OP and disagrees with the title of your post.

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Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:23:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Krombompulos_Michael:
The Marine in the center agrees with you OP.

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He was a senior NCO. He doesn’t carry a rifle because his job is to coordinate the Marines with rifles.  If he truly need a rifle, there would be plenty of them laying around on the ground.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:23:37 AM EST
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Originally Posted By amprecon:
Originally Posted By VoxLibertatis:
OP is fantasizing about executing civilians, on Thanksgiving Day.


That’s not weird at all.

https://imgs.search.brave.com/_k4z5s8yfzv1VLNvkKeq0uuRe4lGJRE4Sr3HilPa3To/rs:fit:480:240:1/g:ce/aHR0cDovL2VzcXVp/cmV1ay5jZG5kcy5u/ZXQvMTYvNDYvNDgw/eDI0MC9sYW5kc2Nh/cGUtMTQ3OTIwNjg2/NC1kb25hbGQtdHJ1/bXAtd3JvbmcuZ2lm.gif
I am politely asking you to not be obtuse.


Obtuse is a word popping up in GD threads today. I’m here for it.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:24:10 AM EST
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I think if you are in a war,engaged in combat,and you are relying on a pistol.  Something has gone very,very wrong
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:25:08 AM EST
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I wish we lived in a society that would be accepting of us walking around with rifles on us 24/7 if we chose to do so. But since we don’t it is why we edc pistols. It’s better than a sharp stick.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:25:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: Miles_Urbanus] [#43]
A loaded Beretta M9 is 2.55 lbs, capacity 15+1 rnds. A single USGI Aluminum 30 rnd magazine fully loaded weights 1.1 lbs ea. I’d rather have 2 mags with an extra 60 rnds of 5.56 than a pistol with 16 rnds of 9mm. Weight isn’t free especially when you are in a light infantry role.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:26:22 AM EST
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Pistols are the means to get to a long gun. Or buy you time to get your long gun back into the fight when it goes down. Or die with a working gun in your hand still giving them a fight.

And society doesn't let you walk around with a long gun.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:27:14 AM EST
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OIF 1 most of the officers and staff NCOs of the 1st Marine Division only rated pistols and there were not enough stock weapons on hand to issue all of them one.  Guys ended up carry a lot of Iraqi pick up weapons by the time they stopped in Tikrit.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:27:53 AM EST
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Mike Day put in work with his pistol.  To be fair though most DEVGRU guys i've heard said they don't carry pistols. It's added weight with little reward.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:30:52 AM EST
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If you got caught under this, the pistol would come in handy.

Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:31:48 AM EST
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I recall hearing about a hospital, maybe in Memphis or St. Louis that treated something like 5000 gunshot wounds a year, and had less than 100 deaths. Most victims walked in and out under their own power.

Handguns suck at killing people. They’re pretty good at convincing people who aren’t wearing armor and aren’t dedicated to harming you to stop trying to harm you. They’re way more convenient than carrying an M1 Garand around with you.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:33:57 AM EST
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Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:35:45 AM EST
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