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Posted: 8/1/2020 7:35:13 AM EDT
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The search thing is a myth.
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Posted: 8/1/2020 8:01:29 AM EDT
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If the gov or ATF wants to search your house, they're gonna find a reason to do it. If they decided to check everyone who had a tax stamp for a suppressor.... Well, that would be nothing short of massive undertaking. I think overall, you've gotta be on their radar for something else entirely.
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Posted: 8/1/2020 8:04:04 AM EDT
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The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibiting unlawful search and seizure is alive and well and applies to owners of NFA firearms. The ATF or any other government agency must demonstrate probable cause supported by oath or affirmation and obtain a valid search warrant before they can demand access to the premises of an owner of NFA firearms.
The idea that the ATF can conduct a warrantless search when someone owns an NFA firearm probably stems from confusion about the rules that apply to Federal Firearm Licensees (FFL’s). An FFL must submit to a warrantless inspection by the ATF, but that has limits as well. The ATF can conduct a surprise inspection of gun dealers once a year, but it must be during the FFL’s business hours. Whether the FFL is a dealer of Class 3 firearms or not, the FFL is subject to the these warrantless inspections to check for compliance with the regulations governing FFL’s. |
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Posted: 8/1/2020 8:24:11 AM EDT
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That's a myth
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Posted: 8/1/2020 10:33:16 AM EDT
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Wearing a Tinfoil Hat will help keep trust safe.
Thank me........... |
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Posted: 8/1/2020 2:53:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wearing a Tinfoil Hat will help keep trust safe. Thank me........... What a moronic comment. |
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Posted: 8/1/2020 2:55:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibiting unlawful search and seizure is alive and well and applies to owners of NFA firearms. The ATF or any other government agency must demonstrate probable cause supported by oath or affirmation and obtain a valid search warrant before they can demand access to the premises of an owner of NFA firearms. The idea that the ATF can conduct a warrantless search when someone owns an NFA firearm probably stems from confusion about the rules that apply to Federal Firearm Licensees (FFL’s). An FFL must submit to a warrantless inspection by the ATF, but that has limits as well. The ATF can conduct a surprise inspection of gun dealers once a year, but it must be during the FFL’s business hours. Whether the FFL is a dealer of Class 3 firearms or not, the FFL is subject to the these warrantless inspections to check for compliance with the regulations governing FFL’s. Thanks. I just bought the trust paperwork from silencerco and I'll read through it....I wonder if it includes the atf paperwork or if that's separate. I'll read through it all and see what it says about location search and seizure. My coworker has a suppressor and seems to believe he's subject to search and seizure. Another has an ffl and says more along the lines of what you've said. I don't know so that's why I asked. |
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Posted: 8/1/2020 3:20:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. I just bought the trust paperwork from silencerco and I'll read through it....I wonder if it includes the atf paperwork or if that's separate. I'll read through it all and see what it says about location search and seizure. My coworker has a suppressor and seems to believe he's subject to search and seizure. Another has an ffl and says more along the lines of what you've said. I don't know so that's why I asked. Your trust paperwork is for you and the other trustees (if any). It’s not going to say anything about the ATF, period. |
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Posted: 8/1/2020 3:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a moronic comment. Says the OP. Irony. LOL |
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Posted: 8/1/2020 10:07:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a moronic comment. His comment isn't anymore moronic than your OP. So calm down, accept that you fell into believing a common myth, and listen to what you're being told. If you want to see what you will have to sign then look at ATF form 5320.4, that is the form that will be used to transfer the firearm to your trust from the selling dealer. |
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Posted: 8/2/2020 7:58:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll read through it all and see what it says about location search and seizure. My coworker has a suppressor and seems to believe he's subject to search and seizure. Another has an ffl and says more along the lines of what you've said. I don't know so that's why I asked. <-- FFL/SOT Your coworker is wrong. Hell ATF needs a search warrant for my place for anything other than a compliance inspection, and those usually happen every 5-10 years. The auditor only goes to the office to look at the paperwork, she doesn't go digging through my sock drawers looking for suppressor baffles. |
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Posted: 8/2/2020 6:07:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: I have been researching, and I cannot find the answer that I have been looking for. I am interested in doing a gun trust so my wife and I can have some supressors. We want to avoid signing papers that allow the .gov to search and seize at our primary residence. I understand that typically with an nfa item, you sign a piece of paper that allows search and seizure of your property at the whim of the .gov. We choose not to allow this. Is this possible? Can we own suppressors and exclude a particular peice of property from .gov scrutiny? You may want to re-check everything you think you know about guns and NFA, cause the sign away search and seizure it so off base, who knows what else you have been told. |
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Posted: 8/2/2020 6:12:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. I just bought the trust paperwork from silencerco and I'll read through it....I wonder if it includes the atf paperwork or if that's separate. I'll read through it all and see what it says about location search and seizure. My coworker has a suppressor and seems to believe he's subject to search and seizure. Another has an ffl and says more along the lines of what you've said. I don't know so that's why I asked. To be kind, your coworker is misinformed. |
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Posted: 8/3/2020 2:54:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His comment isn't anymore moronic than your OP. So calm down, accept that you fell into believing a common myth, and listen to what you're being told. If you want to see what you will have to sign then look at ATF form 5320.4, that is the form that will be used to transfer the firearm to your trust from the selling dealer. Sorry, but talking tin foil hat wearing when a legitimate question has been asked, a very specific question, is absolutely moronic. This isn't the clown ass forum, it's the legal forum, the appropriate place to ask such a question, so maybe take the clown comments to the comedy forum, it isn't warranted here, and especially not itt. |
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Posted: 8/3/2020 3:03:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Says the OP. Irony. LOL The irony is that I came here to post a question, and got a moronic comment in return, and now it seems that I've gotten another one. So why don't you educate yourself on the meaning of the word irony and learn what a comment is, and what a question is as well, and then don't come back until you can make a contribution to this thread. |
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Posted: 8/3/2020 4:05:53 PM EDT
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This is a technical forum.
(——— GD is that way. The BearPit is that way ——-) |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 2:24:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The irony is that I came here to post a question, and got a moronic comment in return, and now it seems that I've gotten another one. So why don't you educate yourself on the meaning of the word irony and learn what a comment is, and what a question is as well, and then don't come back until you can make a contribution to this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Says the OP. Irony. LOL The irony is that I came here to post a question, and got a moronic comment in return, and now it seems that I've gotten another one. So why don't you educate yourself on the meaning of the word irony and learn what a comment is, and what a question is as well, and then don't come back until you can make a contribution to this thread. You've been a member for thirteen years and never bothered to read any of the FAQ's in the NFA subforum?  Start here and pay attention to #4: Top NFA Myths As pointed out by many, your "understanding" of NFA is so faulty that its laughable. But keep on digging your hole of derp, it may just become a meme. |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 8:15:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, but talking tin foil hat wearing when a legitimate question has been asked, a very specific question, is absolutely moronic. This isn't the clown ass forum, it's the legal forum, the appropriate place to ask such a question, so maybe take the clown comments to the comedy forum, it isn't warranted here, and especially not itt. I was trying to help you. Your attitude will not help you get answers here so you need to change the attitude or go somewhere that will be sensitive to your need of coddling. If you wish to continue living a life of willful ignorance then do neither, keep blasting people with insults, and learn nothing. |
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