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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:56:48 AM EDT
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Has anyone here had any experience with these kinds of dog? What about them? |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 9:29:56 AM EDT
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I raise dutchies and malinois. Not a breeder but a trainer. These dogs require strong obedience training and consistently. Not for everyone but amazing intelligence and athleticism. AMA or pm. Everywhere I go someone's like amazing dog. With new pr pups should be like movie stars now. Current prospect 12 month female 50# dutchie mal cross favorite trick is jumping into truck window for a shoulder bite. Mike suttle imo some of the best dogs in usa today. He's probably a member here and likely bred conan.
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Posted: 10/31/2019 9:45:14 AM EDT
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<------ She needed no training. She was all about security and looking after my wife.
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Posted: 10/31/2019 9:55:15 AM EDT
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<------ She needed no training. She was all about security and looking after my wife. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 10:11:59 AM EDT
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Mine is a DDR Shepherd that came from John Swindle Alabama Canine Law enforcement
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Posted: 10/31/2019 10:32:17 AM EDT
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What do you want to know? We train our dogs for "sport", but we have a few that are "civil" and, I have no question they would bite for real should the need arise. Owning a dog like that is no small undertaking. Even if you buy one "trained" be prepared to put in the work to maintain control. It's a big responsibility.
Mals, Dutchies and GSDs are the most common breeds, obviously, but the right dog (of any breed) can do it. My most "civil" dog is actually a Boxer. Our Dutchie is very equipment (sleeve, tug, suit, etc) focused and, if there is no equipment present, she is the sweetest girl. She is about 60/40 Prey-to-Defense. My Boxer is NOT equipment focused. At all. He's about 60/40 the other way (Defense-to-Prey). He's a big dufus around the house and loves people, but he is VERY serious (almost scary) when need be. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 11:46:23 AM EDT
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What do you want to know? We train our dogs for "sport", but we have a few that are "civil" and, I have no question they would bite for real should the need arise. Owning a dog like that is no small undertaking. Even if you buy one "trained" be prepared to put in the work to maintain control. It's a big responsibility. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:37:55 PM EDT
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This is the truth....I have to work Luger every day...every day..and sometimes he is exhausting....He is on alert 24/7...Literally 24/7 365 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What do you want to know? We train our dogs for "sport", but we have a few that are "civil" and, I have no question they would bite for real should the need arise. Owning a dog like that is no small undertaking. Even if you buy one "trained" be prepared to put in the work to maintain control. It's a big responsibility. I was deeply into AKC competitive obedience, and I thought I might be into this sort of thing as well. My training place invited me to gain a greater understanding of protection training (NOT sport, NOT Schutzhund) by training to become a decoy. So for the next few months I let all manner of dogs chase and bite me. It was a HUGELY valuable view into the canine psyche for my normal competitive obedience training. But, more importantly, it was also a huge EYE OPENER with respect to working, training and LIVING with protection-trained (NOT sport) dogs. It turned out that this was something I definitely didn't want to do, and that I was not prepared to own, train, work and live with a protection dog of any caliber that mattered. Just sayin'... |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 1:51:37 PM EDT
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Yes, be careful what you wish for. These are not "normal" dogs. Proper protection trained dogs are essentially semi-autonomous weapon systems. I was deeply into AKC competitive obedience, and I thought I might be into this sort of thing as well. My training place invited me to gain a greater understanding of protection training (NOT sport, NOT Schutzhund) by training to become a decoy. So for the next few months I let all manner of dogs chase and bite me. It was a HUGELY valuable view into the canine psyche for my normal competitive obedience training. But, more importantly, it was also a huge EYE OPENER with respect to working, training and LIVING with protection-trained (NOT sport) dogs. It turned out that this was something I definitely didn't want to do, and that I was not prepared to own, train, work and live with a protection dog of any caliber that mattered. Just sayin'... |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 2:24:13 PM EDT
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Yes, be careful what you wish for. These are not "normal" dogs. Proper protection trained dogs are essentially semi-autonomous weapon systems. I was deeply into AKC competitive obedience, and I thought I might be into this sort of thing as well. My training place invited me to gain a greater understanding of protection training (NOT sport, NOT Schutzhund) by training to become a decoy. So for the next few months I let all manner of dogs chase and bite me. It was a HUGELY valuable view into the canine psyche for my normal competitive obedience training. But, more importantly, it was also a huge EYE OPENER with respect to working, training and LIVING with protection-trained (NOT sport) dogs. It turned out that this was something I definitely didn't want to do, and that I was not prepared to own, train, work and live with a protection dog of any caliber that mattered. Just sayin'... There are a lot of "bite sports" out there besides Schutzhund/IPO/IGP. Mondio Ring, French Ring, KNPV, PSA (my sport), etc all have to play within their own rules, but that doesn't make them less demanding, or require less of a dog. But you're right. Wearing the sleeve or the suit certainly puts things in a whole different perspective. 
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Posted: 10/31/2019 3:21:19 PM EDT
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You seem to put a lot of emphasis on "NOT sport", but you do realize that the top sport dogs, the top PP dogs and the top patrol dogs all come from the same bloodlines, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
You seem to put a lot of emphasis on "NOT sport", but you do realize that the top sport dogs, the top PP dogs and the top patrol dogs all come from the same bloodlines, right?
But you're right. Wearing the sleeve or the suit certainly puts things in a whole different perspective. 
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Posted: 10/31/2019 3:41:38 PM EDT
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Absolutely. Certainly my comments were a bit simplified. Nevertheless, there are some differences between working the blind and the head trainer telling you to go in the alley out back and climb into the dumpster and standby
Truth! Especially when they put the puppy sleeve on you on Day 1 and don't tell you that it's a puppy sleeve just to test how hard YOU are--and yes, they did do that to me, I was black and blue for two weeks! I have also been in the "here, put this on" situation you described. Not fun at all. |
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Posted: 10/31/2019 9:42:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good friend of mine trains them and has one. What about them? I have owned several Rottweilers before and was a reserve patrol officer so I’ve had a little time around police k9s. What I want is a dog that is house trained, able to socialize with kids, sleep in the bedroom with me, and protect me on command and stop on command. I have a large fenced in backyard to exercise and keep up with his training. I looked an the net at some of these dogs but always know you can find better answers here on Arf. Thanks |
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Posted: 11/1/2019 6:05:28 PM EDT
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I have one.
Real working dogs are a pain in the ass and a huge amount of work to maintain. Damn good dogs, though. |
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Posted: 11/1/2019 10:53:06 PM EDT
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I have one. Real working dogs are a pain in the ass and a huge amount of work to maintain. Damn good dogs, though. |
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Posted: 11/2/2019 4:25:04 AM EDT
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GSD finished by a military kennel master.
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Posted: 11/2/2019 6:38:14 AM EDT
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I know a couple of people that have them. They're a lot of work, the ones I know have to work over a decoy every week or two or they start to get grumpy.
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Posted: 11/2/2019 7:46:35 AM EDT
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These dogs are also expensive
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Posted: 11/2/2019 7:57:17 AM EDT
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Yes. Akita.
Takes a lot of work. But damn effective. If you really like dogs, it can be worth it. If you just want protection, buy a good security system and lots of guns. |
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Posted: 11/2/2019 1:39:15 PM EDT
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Mine is a DDR Shepherd that came from John Swindle Alabama Canine Law enforcement https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57815/LE_jpg-1143529.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57815/Lugercop_jpg-1143531.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57815/Lugerball_jpg-1143532.JPG He has "badass" written all over him. |
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Posted: 11/2/2019 10:11:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beautiful dog. He has "badass" written all over him. |
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Posted: 11/11/2019 12:14:52 PM EDT
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Thanks! That he is...I am actually now running into a problem that I never anticipated...He does a lot of bite work and his lower canines are wearing down...he might need 2 root canals at the pace he is going... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Beautiful dog. He has "badass" written all over him. |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 4:28:24 AM EDT
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I have a 3yr old GSD and a 6 month old Malinois. The shepherd has his BH and working on IGP 1 ( new name for IPO/ Schutzhund)
I am around alot of trained dogs and sorry, your untrained dog is not a natural protection dog, it may want to protect you and your family but in a high pressure situation the best you will get is a fear bite. (Quick bite and release, with alot of barking) a trained dog will bite on command or in autonamous mode grab with a nice full mouth grip and crush down, then use it's strength to pull the person to the grown with inertia from running or sheer power. If anyone thinks you can buy a high drive working dog and not keep it physically and mentally active every day prepare to remodel your home. Everything has to be upgraded. Look up Impact Crates and if you think I am joking type in "Malinois escape or destroy crate" on youtube Find the best competitors in the discipline you like and they are usually breeding a few litters but these are not cheap. Heck the lessons alone to keep advancing eat up 3-4 hrs a week and please don't think you can put it in a crate all night and then go to work for 8-9 hours. It's a disaster waiting to happen. |
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Posted: 11/22/2019 4:29:51 AM EDT
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Titanium caps on their teeth
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Posted: 11/27/2019 2:19:22 PM EDT
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EVI, how much do you guys run on your Dutchies? I’d finally given up looking for one. Lol. Everyone loves the Mals and GSDs soo much, the Dutch just kinda gets thrown to the way side.
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