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Posted: 10/13/2021 7:01:34 PM EDT
In the past 20 years I’ve seen mostly M1 super 90s and rem 1187s.

Seems like those have gone instinct for the new crop of bennelli m4 and berettas

Can the M1 and 1187 still hang?  What’s the main advantage of the newer Italian guns?

Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:05:15 PM EDT
My M1 Super 90 SBS is still as good as anything else out there.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:06:46 PM EDT
Browning Auto 5 was a great shotgun in 1902 and it's still a great shotgun now.

Same with the 11-87, etc.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:07:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2021 7:10:04 PM EDT by tsg68]
You mean extinct?  The M1 Super 90 was discontinued over a decade ago….

M2 was an improved recoil operated design over the M1 and the M4 is a dual gas system…
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:07:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2021 7:08:18 PM EDT by Shootindave]
I was going to get an 1187, but thats too many numbers to remember.

Model 11. 100 years old and still busts clays with the best of them.

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Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:11:05 PM EDT
The main difference is furniture change and bullshit marketing. Maybe a little refinement on newer guns but certainly no breakthrough changes.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:11:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tsg68:
You mean extinct?  The M1 Super 90 was discontinued over a decade ago….
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Doesn’t make it any less formidable as a HD choice.

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Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:12:43 PM EDT
Still like the 1187’s but I’m a cheap bastard when it comes to shotguns.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:14:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2021 7:15:14 PM EDT by Seven-Shooter]
In some cases, technology improves.  In some cases, manufacturers figure out a way to make a product cheaper (but not necessarily better).

A shotgun is a shotgun; it's up to you to decide what features you want, and what price you'll pay.

I know guys who think the 11-87 was a downgrade from the 1100, I know guys for whom nothing less than a Krieghoff is acceptable, and dudes who are still using their grandpa's old Auto 5.  Personally I think Remingtons are garbage, but that's me.

Just as long as you aren't using a Winchester model of 1911, they'll all do.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:17:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tsg68:
You mean extinct?  The M1 Super 90 was discontinued over a decade ago.

M2 was an improved recoil operated design over the M1 and the M4 is a dual gas system
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Stop correcting people. Let them shine.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:20:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shootindave:
I was going to get an 1187, but thats too many numbers to remember.

Model 11. 100 years old and still busts clays with the best of them.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/8CDF903F-8938-4122-8E08-63ADE12EC1CD_jpe-2128833.JPG
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Shitty shotgun….. I have one! Outdated design
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:20:56 PM EDT
I’d like to get another barrel for this one and make it an SBS, no way will I use the barrel it came with!

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Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:21:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JarheadPatriot:
Stop correcting people. Let them shine.
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His ignorance lives on chrome and shiny, in all it’s glory and in perpetuity on the interwebs!!
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:24:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:27:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tsg68:


His ignorance lives on chrome and shiny, in all it’s glory and in perpetuity on the interwebs!!
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I bet you throw out all your guns every year just so you’re sure to have the latest and greatest!
Buying into the hype that if it isn’t new, it isn’t worth a darn was made up just for your type.

ETA…
Guess I should throw away my 3 MP5s as well according to your reasoning.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:40:36 PM EDT
M1/M2 is still top of the heap in my opinion.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:49:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheJudgeHolden:
Browning Auto 5 was a great shotgun in 1902 and it's still a great shotgun now.

Same with the 11-87, etc.
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I wish I'd run across a good old Auto 5 40 years ago when I was still walking the mountains grouse and turkey hunting.  I'd have switched it back and forth with my old Ithaca M37 and been happy.

Two great John Browning designs.  You know they'll be around long after I'm gone.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:47:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheJudgeHolden:
Browning Auto 5 was a great shotgun in 1902 and it's still a great shotgun now.

Same with the 11-87, etc.
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THIS

Retired an 870 pump from my PSG events - now use an Auto 5 that's about a decade older than I am
Love it..!
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 9:18:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheJudgeHolden:
Browning Auto 5 was a great shotgun in 1902 and it's still a great shotgun now.

Same with the 11-87, etc.
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Yeah, the A5 can still party.

Link Posted: 10/13/2021 9:33:12 PM EDT
I have a 25 year old Browning Sporting Clays Gold…smooth action, softest shooting shotgun I’ve ever shot.  Great gun.  Firing pins are the only part I’ve ever had to replace on it.

Also have a Remington 1100 Tac 4.  Bangs and clangs, scrapes and squeaks like a WW II tank when it cycles.  Opposite of “smooth action”.  I thought it might smooth out after 4000 rounds, but it really hasn’t.

Both have been reliable as long as they don’t get truly filthy….and I run them hard and long between cleanings….that’s why you bring multiple shottys to the range…one quits cycling, break out the other…
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 9:38:21 PM EDT
I dunno, but my old Beretta AL2 has never let me down.
Wish I was a better shot.
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Link Posted: 10/13/2021 9:43:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1911greg:

What’s the main advantage of the newer Italian guns?

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Being able to shoot soft targets loads and 3.5” goose loads with no adjustments or swapping parts or barrels.

11-87 was never offered as a 3.5” gun. The 870 Super Mag or whatever (which took 3.5” loads) was a piece of junk.

Lots of duck hunters seek out certain Italian guns because they can “float the 4th” and load four shells in a gun which is plugged to hold 3.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 9:45:48 PM EDT
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Shitty shotgun….. I have one! Outdated design
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Originally Posted By nutter:
Originally Posted By Shootindave:
I was going to get an 1187, but thats too many numbers to remember.

Model 11. 100 years old and still busts clays with the best of them.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123862/8CDF903F-8938-4122-8E08-63ADE12EC1CD_jpe-2128833.JPG



Shitty shotgun….. I have one! Outdated design


Dont be mad because it hurts your shoulder.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 9:47:11 PM EDT
Beretta 1201FP.  Eats everything I give it.  Super fast, kicks like a mule and runs like a top.  Mesa Tactical PG stock makes it the best bang for the buck semi on the market…if you can find them anymore at yesterday prices.  Not as soft as gas operated, but none of the problems from some of the gas systems.  Would like it to have more capacity, but with as fast as it throws lead down range, it’ll be good for real world events

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Link Posted: 10/13/2021 9:49:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JRoy:
I dunno, but my old Beretta AL2 has never let me down.
Wish I was a better shot.
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Sweet.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 9:53:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2021 9:58:45 PM EDT by ch1966]
Remington V3 is the best semi auto shotgun they've ever made.
1187 Killer.



Link Posted: 10/13/2021 9:58:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2021 10:05:27 PM EDT by 07AMF]
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Originally Posted By crazyquik:


Being able to shoot soft targets loads and 3.5” goose loads with no adjustments or swapping parts or barrels.

11-87 was never offered as a 3.5” gun. The 870 Super Mag or whatever (which took 3.5” loads) was a piece of junk.

Lots of duck hunters seek out certain Italian guns because they can “float the 4th” and load four shells in a gun which is plugged to hold 3.
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Remington did make the 11-87 in 3.5”.  It was a complete disaster.  Bunch of guys in the club had them.  None worked correctly.

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Link Posted: 10/13/2021 10:00:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 07AMF:


Remington did make the 11-87 in 3.5”.  It was a complete disaster.
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Originally Posted By 07AMF:
Originally Posted By crazyquik:


Being able to shoot soft targets loads and 3.5” goose loads with no adjustments or swapping parts or barrels.

11-87 was never offered as a 3.5” gun. The 870 Super Mag or whatever (which took 3.5” loads) was a piece of junk.

Lots of duck hunters seek out certain Italian guns because they can “float the 4th” and load four shells in a gun which is plugged to hold 3.


Remington did make the 11-87 in 3.5”.  It was a complete disaster.


Can confirm. Had to carry a multi-tool in my waders to keep the damn thing running duck hunting. Piece of crap, got rid of it and went back to an 870.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 10:01:06 PM EDT
For what?

Defense, M1S90 and M2 are superior to M4 unless you’ve got a lot of accessories weighing it down.

Hunting…switched from A5 to SBE in 1994…never looked back.  Also have multiple SBE2s and 3s.  

Shoot my dad’s Sweet 16 on occasion when I want to shoot purple shells.

Love my Berettas also.

But day in and day out, Benelli all the things.  Everything else is a compromise.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 10:07:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2021 10:13:24 PM EDT by bcr308]
Originally Posted By tsg68:
You mean extinct?  The M1 Super 90 was discontinued over a decade ago….

M2 was an improved recoil operated design over the M1 and the M4 is a dual gas system…
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Laughs in M3….and A5
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Link Posted: 10/13/2021 10:24:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tikiman001:


Yeah, the A5 can still party.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219100/15902500392124540078615483279728-1429098.jpg
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If arfcom had an award for strangest grouping of guns....

lol
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 10:26:53 PM EDT
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Some Fudd somewhere just stroked out.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 10:44:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tikiman001:


Yeah, the A5 can still party.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219100/15902500392124540078615483279728-1429098.jpg
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Originally Posted By Tikiman001:
Originally Posted By TheJudgeHolden:
Browning Auto 5 was a great shotgun in 1902 and it's still a great shotgun now.

Same with the 11-87, etc.


Yeah, the A5 can still party.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219100/15902500392124540078615483279728-1429098.jpg


Damn, that is a fine looking shotgun.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 10:58:34 PM EDT
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That's my Dad's shootin' car.  Just three more payments and it's ours.


Link Posted: 10/13/2021 11:00:11 PM EDT
In recent years I have shot the M1S90, A5. 1100, and a Beretta 1301.  The 1301 is really nice and smooth but the others all ran 100%.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 11:15:26 PM EDT
M1S90 evolved into the M2 which is still one of the most popular semi-auto shotguns.

When I first started 3-gun 15 or so years ago, it seemed like the M2 and Remington 1100 were the two dominant shotguns. I remember the 1100 fell out of favor pretty quickly. I assumed it was reliability/durability related, but I didn't pay super close attention since I was a Benelli shooter. The FN SLP and later the Remington Versamax were also showing up around that time, so maybe they were just better than the 1100.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 11:29:09 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/14/2021 1:27:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gunslinger808:
I’d like to get another barrel for this one and make it an SBS, no way will I use the barrel it came with!

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Savage 720 barrels will fit the Remington and usually a bit cheaper.

Project I havn't finished yet, Remington Model 11, with a savage barrel, Browning A5 synthetic forend, and a Remington 870 factory mag tube extension.


Link Posted: 10/14/2021 1:40:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/14/2021 1:57:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheJudgeHolden:
Browning Auto 5 was a great shotgun in 1902 and it's still a great shotgun now.

Same with the 11-87, etc.
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Yep, I had a locked up polly choke on my 60 year old A5. I had the old choke cut out and installed removable ones. Its awesome to be able to use the ole girl again. Right now it's my favorite shotgun.
Link Posted: 10/14/2021 2:08:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/14/2021 2:09:46 AM EDT by HTHF]
Benelli's Inertia system is better than what the crayon eaters use! Prove me wrong!
Link Posted: 10/14/2021 2:24:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SeanC:


Savage 720 barrels will fit the Remington and usually a bit cheaper.

Project I havn't finished yet, Remington Model 11, with a savage barrel, Browning A5 synthetic forend, and a Remington 870 factory mag tube extension.


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@SeanC

Thank you for that bit of information!
I’d been looking at Browning barrels, but they can be expensive
I really didn’t want to cut down the original as it has the flaming bomb proof mark, the shotgun was one of those used to train AA shooters during WWII, and it has all the markings including the FJ Atwood seal of approval on the butt stock.

Link Posted: 10/14/2021 2:31:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheJudgeHolden:
Browning Auto 5 was a great shotgun in 1902 and it's still a great shotgun now.

Same with the 11-87, etc.
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Love my Auto 5
Link Posted: 10/14/2021 2:39:48 AM EDT
I had a Remington 11-87 Police with ghost rings that ran 100% with Remington OO buck

Sold it off 8-9 years back and went to the Benelli M4

The M4 will feed light bird loads or slugs back to back.

The Beretta 1301 gen 2 I have has also proven itself.

14” Benelli M4 is still my favorite

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Link Posted: 10/14/2021 2:52:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tim_1911:

That's my Dad's shootin' car.  Just three more payments and it's ours.


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Link Posted: 10/14/2021 3:05:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Buckeye33:
The main difference is furniture change and bullshit marketing. Maybe a little refinement on newer guns but certainly no breakthrough changes.
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Except for the M4 being a completely different operating system compared to the M1/2?
Link Posted: 10/14/2021 3:08:11 AM EDT
All the shit I see these days comes from Turkey and looks like a prop from the set of Doom 3
Link Posted: 10/14/2021 4:18:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AR-Joe:


If arfcom had an award for strangest grouping of guns....

lol
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Originally Posted By AR-Joe:
Originally Posted By Tikiman001:


Yeah, the A5 can still party.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/219100/15902500392124540078615483279728-1429098.jpg


If arfcom had an award for strangest grouping of guns....

lol


That was a fun range trip.
The carbine AR10 confused the shit out of people (carry handle is moved back in the picture to fit a weapons rack).
Link Posted: 10/14/2021 4:28:18 AM EDT
Remington 11 (made in 1936) "Whippit" reproduction ......
Link Posted: 10/14/2021 4:33:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
In the past 20 years I’ve seen mostly M1 super 90s and rem 1187s.

Seems like those have gone instinct for the new crop of bennelli m4 and berettas

Can the M1 and 1187 still hang?  What’s the main advantage of the newer Italian guns?

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I shoot the M1 for doves and ducks. 1187 is my turkey gun. Both shoot as good as new. I have a hunch my grandkids will be shooting them.
Link Posted: 10/14/2021 4:44:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By sigman68:
In recent years I have shot the M1S90, A5. 1100, and a Beretta 1301.  The 1301 is really nice and smooth but the others all ran 100%.
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My 1301 is my go to for shooting rabbits. It now sports a big gash on the stock from a brior patch.
It shoots fast and smooth, with recoil that a baby could handle.

But, I still use an 870 for slugs and buckshot.
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