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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:11:28 PM EDT
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Shotar....heres your time to shine.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:11:59 PM EDT
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In!
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:12:50 PM EDT
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Who is Shotar?
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:15:02 PM EDT
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Who is Shotar? |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:17:10 PM EDT
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Looking for info from leos........ is there a legal requirement for rolling windows all the way down during a traffic stop or dui check point??? Yes or no. I know an officer can request me out of the car at any time..... fine. But as I drove home today I see yet again officer friendly all up in cars passenger side . Leads me to ask the question... |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:18:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:20:25 PM EDT
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:21:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just watched a court case where that was used as obstruction.... |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:22:02 PM EDT
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:22:31 PM EDT
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:22:52 PM EDT
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On a traffic stop If you don't roll the window down for me if I ask you to I'll just have you get out of the car and we can do business standing on the side of the road.
We don't do checkpoints here. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:23:14 PM EDT
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FIFY |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:23:28 PM EDT
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Cop Blocker's are pro's at this sort of thing. I would seek their advice and counsel on this matter.
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:23:58 PM EDT
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime. let's just say you shouldn't ever give advice. ever. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:24:24 PM EDT
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:24:27 PM EDT
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@Miami_JBT
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:24:48 PM EDT
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It would have to be articulated as obstruction somehow. But no there is no distance it must be rolled down. But all DWI checkpoints are unconstitutional bullshit, don’t care what the court says.
They are the polar opposite of what’s legally required for EVERY other traffic stop. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:24:48 PM EDT
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On a traffic stop If you don't roll the window down for me if I ask you to I'll just have you get out of the car and we can do business standing on the side of the road. We don't do checkpoints here. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:30:22 PM EDT
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You don't need pc to have an operator get out of a car. Pennsylvania v Mimms Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:30:40 PM EDT
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You don't need pc to have an operator get out of a car. Pennsylvania v Mimms |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:31:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for your input Justice. I get ya. You can pull a driver.....damn...I wish I could inbed this video...but a guy who blew zeros is in court based upon the window not being down all the way |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:33:41 PM EDT
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I just watched a court case where that was used as obstruction.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:33:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: post a link to the video |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:34:15 PM EDT
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Thank you for your input Justice. I get ya. You can pull a driver.....damn...I wish I could inbed this video...but a guy who blew zeros is in court based upon the window not being down all the way Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:35:10 PM EDT
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Did they partially roll down the window or not at all? I've had a few incidents during OVI checkpoints and traffic stops where folks partially rolled down their windows. No big deal - they still provided me with their operator license and they went on their way when I was done with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:36:17 PM EDT
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That would be laughed out of court where I am from. Hell, it wouldn't, and shouldn't, even make it to court. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:36:41 PM EDT
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I have manual crank windows.
I don’t want to get shot for reaching. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:37:29 PM EDT
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime. You can be ordered out of the vehicle regardless. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:38:13 PM EDT
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On a traffic stop If you don't roll the window down for me if I ask you to I'll just have you get out of the car and we can do business standing on the side of the road. We don't do checkpoints here. I should add that check points are more or less illegal here in WI. We don’t do them and the fuckery used to get around the 4th amendment is garbage regarding them. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:39:12 PM EDT
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Wrong. Pennsylvania VS. Mims You can be ordered out of the vehicle regardless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime. You can be ordered out of the vehicle regardless. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:39:44 PM EDT
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Mimms was being issued a summons Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You don't need pc to have an operator get out of a car. Pennsylvania v Mimms |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:39:49 PM EDT
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Wrong. Pennsylvania VS. Mims You can be ordered out of the vehicle regardless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime. You can be ordered out of the vehicle regardless. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:41:22 PM EDT
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post a link to the video Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Thank you for your input Justice. I get ya. You can pull a driver.....damn...I wish I could inbed this video...but a guy who blew zeros is in court based upon the window not being down all the way |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:42:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not arguing having to get out....... they can make you. My question is is there a limit on the window being rolled down.....many Leo's will say all the way I guess I really don’t understand the game. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:44:17 PM EDT
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I do the same. And when the driver refuses that it gets messy. I should add that check points are more or less illegal here in WI. We don’t do them and the fuckery used to get around the 4th amendment is garbage regarding them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On a traffic stop If you don't roll the window down for me if I ask you to I'll just have you get out of the car and we can do business standing on the side of the road. We don't do checkpoints here. I should add that check points are more or less illegal here in WI. We don’t do them and the fuckery used to get around the 4th amendment is garbage regarding them. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:46:35 PM EDT
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It depends. I guess my question is why gamble? Roll the window down, do whatever is mandated, be on your way? I guess I really don’t understand the game. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Not arguing having to get out....... they can make you. My question is is there a limit on the window being rolled down.....many Leo's will say all the way I guess I really don’t understand the game. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:52:35 PM EDT
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:52:36 PM EDT
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The old game was ok.....again...as I see the young Leo's hanging all the way in from the passenger side, I'd say that changes things no? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Not arguing having to get out....... they can make you. My question is is there a limit on the window being rolled down.....many Leo's will say all the way I guess I really don’t understand the game. ETA: I won't even stick my hand into a vehicle to grab a license or paperwork - the driver or passenger is dangling that stuff out the window for me to easily reach. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:57:06 PM EDT
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:57:58 PM EDT
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That would be laughed out of court where I am from. Hell, it wouldn't, and shouldn't, even make it to court. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have to show ID if you are operating a motor vehicle. I don't think you have to roll your window down farther than needed to hand over your DL. You can be ordered out if the LEO has PC that you are intoxicated or have committed another crime. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 9:58:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure why it would be messy...I'd much rather face you for my speeding ticket than half your torso in my car sniffing for my diving wetsuit.... |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:01:03 PM EDT
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I didn't watch the video, but if there are LEOs sticking any parts of their bodies into an occupied vehicle they really need to consider changing their tactics. ETA: I won't even stick my hand into a vehicle to grab a license or paperwork - the driver or passenger is dangling that stuff out the window for me to easily reach. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Not arguing having to get out....... they can make you. My question is is there a limit on the window being rolled down.....many Leo's will say all the way I guess I really don’t understand the game. ETA: I won't even stick my hand into a vehicle to grab a license or paperwork - the driver or passenger is dangling that stuff out the window for me to easily reach. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:03:09 PM EDT
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PA stop (not a checkpoint) where odor of MJ was used as PC.
https://triblive.com/local/westmoreland/14301539-74/troopers-turnpike-traffic-stop-in-mt-pleasant-twp-results-in-2-arrests Nice bust, btw |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:27:50 PM EDT
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Generally if you blew less than a .08 the magistrate would nol pros it (hope I remembered
the term right) and turned you loose. There were exceptions to that, but it normally worked that way. If you wanted him to the officer was supposed to give you a ride back to your car. The reason was the magistrate just declared you not guilty. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:41:33 PM EDT
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It gets messy when the driver won’t roll down the window or step out. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:42:24 PM EDT
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@Miami_JBT 
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:43:19 PM EDT
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So my take away even with a few boys in blue here is there isnt a specific distance the window has to travel. If I can hear you and you can hear me we are good. No?
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:46:20 PM EDT
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At that point, you are going to be arrested and go to jail. You are just negotiating points for your defense lawyer to argue you aren’t guilty after several thousand in legal fees, court costs, bonds, and lost time.
You know who thinks that is a good deal? Guilty people. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:47:29 PM EDT
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At that point, you are going to be arrested and go to jail. You are just negotiating points for your defense lawyer to argue you aren’t guilty after several thousand in legal fees, court costs, bonds, and lost time. You know who thinks that is a good deal? Guilty people. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:52:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arrested for?? |
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