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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:38:58 PM EDT
I need to know what all this means and Google isn't helping.

Fully inhibited turbine type oil approximately 556SSU at 100°F

Standard Oil Company of Ohio
SOHIVIS 65
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:56:17 PM EDT
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It means it’s expensive
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 9:57:32 PM EDT
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@Foxtrot08

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That matches to an ISO viscosity grade 100 Turbine grade R&O oil.

What's the application?
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:15:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By D_Man:
That matches to an ISO viscosity grade 100 Turbine grade R&O oil.

What's the application?
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Lathe gearbox.

The only cross over I could find was 40 weight or iso 150. No idea which is right.
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My uncle has put 10W-40 conventional in every lathe gearbox he's ever owned and they all last forever.


(this is a joke, get the right oil)
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@Foxtrot08

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Dman got it.
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Originally Posted By batmanacw:


Lathe gearbox.

The only cross over I could find was 40 weight or iso 150. No idea which is right.
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Neither.

Any brass or yellow metal in the gearbox exposed to the oil?
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I go through a lot of that oil.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:24:33 PM EDT
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OP,

Look for an R&O ISO 100 grade oil or a non-detergent type SAE 30 weight oil.  

You can splurge for a "turbine grade" version if you want, but IMO probably not needed in a small gearbox.


556 SSU @ 100F translates to about 65 SSU @ 210F (hence the SOHIO "65"), and falls on the top end of an ISO 100 and SAE 30wt.
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Originally Posted By D_Man:
OP,

Look for an R&O ISO 100 grade oil or a non-detergent type SAE 30 weight oil.  

You can splurge for a "turbine grade" version if you want, but IMO probably not needed in a small gearbox.


556 SSU @ 100F translates to about 65 SSU @ 210F (hence the SOHIO "65"), and falls on the top end of an ISO 100 and SAE 30wt.
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Like a DTE Heavy?
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Yep, that'd be one option.

Chevron Regal R&O 100
Shell Turbo T 100
etc.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 10:45:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By D_Man:
Yep, that'd be one option.

Chevron Regal R&O 100
Shell Turbo T 100
etc.
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Originally Posted By MethaneMover:
Like a DTE Heavy?
Yep, that'd be one option.

Chevron Regal R&O 100
Shell Turbo T 100
etc.
I think that's what we use in our compressor frames.
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Originally Posted By MethaneMover:
I think that's what we use in our compressor frames.
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Originally Posted By MethaneMover:
Originally Posted By D_Man:
Originally Posted By MethaneMover:
Like a DTE Heavy?
Yep, that'd be one option.

Chevron Regal R&O 100
Shell Turbo T 100
etc.
I think that's what we use in our compressor frames.



Yeah turbine grade oils are a popular choice in gas compressors.

Citgo Pacemaker is one we move alot of. P66 multipurpose R&O.  Etc.
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:



Yeah turbine grade oils are a popular choice in gas compressors.

Citgo Pacemaker is one we move alot of. P66 multipurpose R&O.  Etc.
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They're pretty amazing machines with pricetags to match- it's easy to justify top quality lubricants.

I'll be at Ariel in June.   Looking forward to seeing that!
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Originally Posted By MethaneMover:
They're pretty amazing machines with pricetags to match- it's easy to justify top quality lubricants.

I'll be at Ariel in June.   Looking forward to seeing that!
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Originally Posted By MethaneMover:
Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:



Yeah turbine grade oils are a popular choice in gas compressors.

Citgo Pacemaker is one we move alot of. P66 multipurpose R&O.  Etc.
They're pretty amazing machines with pricetags to match- it's easy to justify top quality lubricants.

I'll be at Ariel in June.   Looking forward to seeing that!



Chevron and Mobil really have that market wrapped up.  Followed by Shell and Citgo.  Pacemaker T series is really a slept on product for the price point. (When you’re buying tens of thousands of gallons a year it matters.)


But beyond that is your service level from your distributor. Doing the proper testing. Proper filtration. Delivery schedules. Tank maintenance. Etc.
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:



Chevron and Mobil really have that market wrapped up.  Followed by Shell and Citgo.  Pacemaker T series is really a slept on product for the price point. (When you're buying tens of thousands of gallons a year it matters.)


But beyond that is your service level from your distributor. Doing the proper testing. Proper filtration. Delivery schedules. Tank maintenance. Etc.
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Alllllll of that.

OP- the headstock on my Monarch calls for a Shell Tellus.  I believe that's of similar vintage.
Link Posted: 5/16/2024 12:01:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MethaneMover:
Alllllll of that.

OP- the headstock on my Monarch calls for a Shell Tellus.  I believe that's of similar vintage.
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Tellus would be hydraulic oil.  Some machines use it for headstocks and spindles, but it is a bit different than the R&O/Turbine type oil.
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Originally Posted By MethaneMover:
They're pretty amazing machines with pricetags to match- it's easy to justify top quality lubricants.

I'll be at Ariel in June.   Looking forward to seeing that!
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Originally Posted By MethaneMover:
Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:



Yeah turbine grade oils are a popular choice in gas compressors.

Citgo Pacemaker is one we move alot of. P66 multipurpose R&O.  Etc.
They're pretty amazing machines with pricetags to match- it's easy to justify top quality lubricants.

I'll be at Ariel in June.   Looking forward to seeing that!

If it's your first time there, you'll be really impressed.  
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Originally Posted By D_Man:
Tellus would be hydraulic oil.  Some machines use it for headstocks and spindles, but it is a bit different than the R&O/Turbine type oil.
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That's what she calls for.  However, it's an 80 year old machine.  Life was different.
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If it's your first time there, you'll be really impressed.  
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Yes, I suspect that I will be!
Link Posted: 5/16/2024 12:40:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By D_Man:
OP,

Look for an R&O ISO 100 grade oil or a non-detergent type SAE 30 weight oil.  

You can splurge for a "turbine grade" version if you want, but IMO probably not needed in a small gearbox.


556 SSU @ 100F translates to about 65 SSU @ 210F (hence the SOHIO "65"), and falls on the top end of an ISO 100 and SAE 30wt.
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I think I'll just got for good old SAE 30. It is an 88 year old lathe that has see hard times. The actual spec us sae 140. I'm going to try that first but I suspect it will end up foaming and not really flowing that well.
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Originally Posted By batmanacw:
I need to know what all this means and Google isn't helping
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Yahoo search:

Oil info:
Lathe lubrication pdf
"The headstock and all oiling points except the gear box should be oiled with a fully inhibited turbine type oil, approximately 556SSU at lO0°F., Standard Oil Company of Ohio SOHIVIS 65 or equivalent.
A good grade of SAE 30 oil (non-detergent motor oil) could be used if changed often since SAE 30 oil would not have the oxidation life that the turbine oil would have."

Inhibited:
machinerylubrication.com turbine-oils
"Steam, gas and hydro turbines operate on a family of lubricating oils known as R&O oils (Rust & Oxidation inhibited oil)
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In after foxtrot
Link Posted: 5/16/2024 7:06:53 AM EDT
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I might try some non detergent sae 30 I have sitting on the shelf first. Just to see how it rides up the gears. I'll be changing the oil pretty often considering how little use the machine will see.
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I might try some non detergent sae 30 I have sitting on the shelf first. Just to see how it rides up the gears. I'll be changing the oil pretty often considering how little use the machine will see.
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That's all we used in the SB and Hendey gearboxes in the instrument shop.  It works great.

Why would you be frequently changing the oil in an unused lathe?
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Originally Posted By MethaneMover:
That's all we used in the SB and Hendey gearboxes in the instrument shop.  It works great.

Why would you be frequently changing the oil in an unused lathe?
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Originally Posted By MethaneMover:
Originally Posted By batmanacw:
I might try some non detergent sae 30 I have sitting on the shelf first. Just to see how it rides up the gears. I'll be changing the oil pretty often considering how little use the machine will see.
That's all we used in the SB and Hendey gearboxes in the instrument shop.  It works great.

Why would you be frequently changing the oil in an unused lathe?


It will get used plenty but a once a year oil change isn't expensive and I can keep cleaning out the metal dust.



The SAE 30 actually get thrown around the gearbox. Definitely a lot better oil movement. The oil rides up the gears fine. I can no longer take the top access cover off while running now. Oil flies out. Lol!

No evidence of foaming or holding air.
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It will get used plenty but a once a year oil change isn't expensive and I can keep cleaning out the metal dust.

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Damn.  Your machine seals?  All mine are, or have been, of the self changing variety.
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Originally Posted By MethaneMover:
Damn.  Your machine seals?  All mine are, or have been, of the self changing variety.
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It will get used plenty but a once a year oil change isn't expensive and I can keep cleaning out the metal dust.

Damn.  Your machine seals?  All mine are, or have been, of the self changing variety.


88 years of morons grinding gears against each other. Lots of damage but still run-able.  One gear is worn from both sides to half its width.

No worries. It was going to scrap and I paid less than scrap price. She is actually running beautifully for the amount of wear.
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Originally Posted By batmanacw:


It will get used plenty but a once a year oil change isn't expensive and I can keep cleaning out the metal dust.



The SAE 30 actually get thrown around the gearbox. Definitely a lot better oil movement. The oil rides up the gears fine. I can no longer take the top access cover off while running now. Oil flies out. Lol!

No evidence of foaming or holding air.
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Good to know it's working, always like to see those old workhorse machines still in action.
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Originally Posted By D_Man:
Good to know it's working, always like to see those old workhorse machines still in action.
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Originally Posted By D_Man:
Originally Posted By batmanacw:


It will get used plenty but a once a year oil change isn't expensive and I can keep cleaning out the metal dust.



The SAE 30 actually get thrown around the gearbox. Definitely a lot better oil movement. The oil rides up the gears fine. I can no longer take the top access cover off while running now. Oil flies out. Lol!

No evidence of foaming or holding air.
Good to know it's working, always like to see those old workhorse machines still in action.


I fell in love with it..... it is the easiest lathe I've ever used for hitting my numbers on diameters and the half-nut is extremely easy to engage and release. It could self destruct tomorrow and I'd still be happy I bought it. Best $300 I ever spent.


ETA: Thank you for deciphering that secret code.
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dis gon be gud.
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