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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:27:11 AM EDT
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but meh feelz are more important than your safety!
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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:27:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:28:19 AM EDT
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Was coming to post this story myself when I found this thread with a dupe search.
This surprise anyone? |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:34:54 AM EDT
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I'm shocked!
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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:35:37 AM EDT
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This surprise anyone? Skin color is much more important than ability to do the job. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:36:00 AM EDT
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“...the National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees...”
So, I assume there’s also a ‘National White Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees’. Right? |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:39:00 AM EDT
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Was coming to post this story myself when I found this thread with a dupe search. This surprise anyone? |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:41:37 AM EDT
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Normal for dot gov;
Never thought of this from the FAA perspective 
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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:42:02 AM EDT
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Nope, not one bit. Skin color is much more important than ability to do the job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This surprise anyone? Skin color is much more important than ability to do the job. Let's replace them with diversity hires who barely made it through the private flight training schools and failed a bunch of check rides. It's all good - the only thing that matters is that we be politically correct! |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:43:19 AM EDT
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Diversity is a central tenant of the state religion, and far more important than the lives of the passengers.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:48:36 AM EDT
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Yep, and it's absolute BS.
My brother is a newly minted controller down in Houston, and his experience at the training academy showed the extent of the problem. Training classes typically cycle through a handful of times per year, maybe 4 or 5 classes of 20-30 trainees each. There was a span of several months where there were literally NO classes because so few of the candidates were even able to pass the basic background checks. Guess that's what happens when you target-hire a bunch of minorities and women. They got wise and went back to their practice of hiring the best candidates (read: ex mil or college degreed white dudes) and now things are more or less back on track. From what he's told me, the issue remains in the initial training areas, very few of these Obama diversity hires are actually cutting the mustard and making it to the control floor. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:50:01 AM EDT
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Diversity is NOT a strength!!! Political correctness, affirmative action & SJW causes are a death sentence...
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Posted: 6/2/2018 10:56:46 AM EDT
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All these professional pilots, many with thousands of hours of training on military aircraft, their whiteness sickitates me! Let's replace them with diversity hires who barely made it through the private flight training schools and failed a bunch of check rides. It's all good - the only thing that matters is that we be politically correct! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This surprise anyone? Skin color is much more important than ability to do the job. Let's replace them with diversity hires who barely made it through the private flight training schools and failed a bunch of check rides. It's all good - the only thing that matters is that we be politically correct! |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 11:05:23 AM EDT
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Not surprising at all.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:15:34 PM EDT
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as long as June Cleaver can coach the pilots in Jive, it'll be fine.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:17:44 PM EDT
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It should all be privatized anyway.
This bullshit is just one more reason why. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:19:16 PM EDT
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How about we hire based on merit not melanin?
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:21:20 PM EDT
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Was coming to post this story myself when I found this thread with a dupe search. This surprise anyone? |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:23:16 PM EDT
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Yep. It's affected my career as well as others and has given us several unqualified trainees.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:27:05 PM EDT
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Yo foo, yall gon mash dat der plane ifn y’all don turn or sometin
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:28:08 PM EDT
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Yo foo, yall gon mash dat der plane ifn y’all don turn or sometin |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:28:25 PM EDT
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"too white" is in my opinion, racist.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:28:47 PM EDT
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ahh diversity, I guess affirmative action was getting a bad name
typical lib roundhouse - control the language and the narrative. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:29:36 PM EDT
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Time to undo anything Bathhouse Barry 0 did and I'm trying real hard to think of something good BathHouse Barry did. About the only thing I can think of is leaving office.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:32:17 PM EDT
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The good thing is the unqualified trainees for the most part never check out and become controllers. I have seen 2 minorities become controllers that had zero business doing the job at a busy facility.
The bad part is thousands of people were rejected because they were not a minority. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 12:54:39 PM EDT
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Well, this is kind of yesterday’s news. This dynamic is as old as the hills in aviation, practically speaking, though Obama Administration increased it heavily among controllers.
There isn’t even the pretense that all major airlines don’t aggressively hire on diversity criteria, nearly exclusively. I can say without a doubt that visible quality criteria of flight deck crews to ATC (radio discipline, multitasking, request handling) has been decreasing since I’ve been in the flight deck. This isn’t my opinion alone, but one shared privately by recently retired ATC personnel. ETA: Just make GD’s head asplode, if you want aviation safety, you’re going to find the Unions are nearly totally responsible for it. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 2:57:32 PM EDT
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Tucker Carlson had a segment on this last night. Previous experience doesn't count for much in the screening process. You would think Congress would get involved even if it was for their personal safety.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 3:14:39 PM EDT
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Obama and "Diversity" and affirmative action
Where Im from they just call it racism. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 3:27:07 PM EDT
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How about we hire based on merit not melanin? |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 3:30:22 PM EDT
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"A group within the FAA, including the human resources function within the FAA -- the National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees -- determined that the workforce was too white,".
LOL, fuck me...and YOU! |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 3:37:16 PM EDT
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"...the National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees..." So, I assume there's also a 'National White Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees'. Right? 
Was gonna post this, exactly. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 3:39:08 PM EDT
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as long as June Cleaver can coach the pilots in Jive, it'll be fine. (No problem! Golly!) |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 3:42:51 PM EDT
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Sure there is
Was gonna post this, exactly. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 3:50:36 PM EDT
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The DOT employees people in “diversity coordinators” positions. Oddly, none of these people were white dudes. I thought it was pretty much a joke until a coworker stated these positions are probably at a GS14 pay grade level.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 3:51:32 PM EDT
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Not surprised. Remember during wikileaks when it came out that Citibank had hand selected Obama's cabinet options and provided a spreadsheet that broke them down by both sex and race so that the perfect diversity quota could be met?
Or the panicked email chain when one of the black females that was asked to join turned them down and now they were scouring the country to find another candidate.... but that candidate had to be black and female as well. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 3:54:35 PM EDT
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When did Obama's bullshit start? I know someone that graduated a private training course to be an ATC, then she nope'd to another government job back in the 2011-2013 timeframe. I know those programs used to be a huge source of ATCs, and then were shit on by the Obama rule change.
Kharn |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 6:10:28 PM EDT
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Well, this is kind of yesterday’s news. This dynamic is as old as the hills in aviation, practically speaking, though Obama Administration increased it heavily among controllers. There isn’t even the pretense that all major airlines don’t aggressively hire on diversity criteria, nearly exclusively. I can say without a doubt that visible quality criteria of flight deck crews to ATC (radio discipline, multitasking, request handling) has been decreasing since I’ve been in the flight deck. This isn’t my opinion alone, but one shared privately by recently retired ATC personnel. ETA: Just make GD’s head asplode, if you want aviation safety, you’re going to find the Unions are nearly totally responsible for it. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 6:20:55 PM EDT
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/02/obama-era-faa-hiring-rules-place-diversity-ahead-airline-safety-attorney-tells-tucker-carlson.html The safety of America's airline passengers is being compromised for the sake of diversity in hiring air traffic controllers, an attorney suing the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" host Tucker Carlson on Friday. During the Obama administration, the FAA replaced the previous hiring standards with rules designed to increase diversity among air traffic controllers, attorney Michael Pearson said. “A group within the FAA, including the human resources function within the FAA -- the National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees -- determined that the workforce was too white,” Pearson told Carlson. “They had a concerted effort through the Department of Transportation in the Obama administration to change that.” |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 6:31:40 PM EDT
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My daughter went through the FAA approved (initiated) CTI (College Training initiative) program which set up a separate pipeline for hiring controllers (distinct from the military and off the street hires).
Her class (one of the first from her college) was given a different test from OTS hires that measured non-ATC related apptitude. Many in her class were turned down. No reason given except the FAA letter said “Consider yourself unqualified”. Later, I talked to a Houston controller and told him her story. He just laughed and said the “Current administration felt the CTI pipeline candidates were insufficiently diverse and had too much of an advantage.”. More social engineering at the expense of safety and competence. TC |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 6:33:56 PM EDT
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Nope, not one bit. Skin color is much more important than ability to do the job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This surprise anyone? Skin color is much more important than ability to do the job. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 6:35:49 PM EDT
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/02/obama-era-faa-hiring-rules-place-diversity-ahead-airline-safety-attorney-tells-tucker-carlson.html The safety of America's airline passengers is being compromised for the sake of diversity in hiring air traffic controllers, an attorney suing the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" host Tucker Carlson on Friday. During the Obama administration, the FAA replaced the previous hiring standards with rules designed to increase diversity among air traffic controllers, attorney Michael Pearson said. “A group within the FAA, including the human resources function within the FAA -- the National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees -- determined that the workforce was too white,” Pearson told Carlson. “They had a concerted effort through the Department of Transportation in the Obama administration to change that.” |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 6:36:32 PM EDT
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Was coming to post this story myself when I found this thread with a dupe search. This surprise anyone? Nobody searches for dupes. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 6:42:51 PM EDT
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Yep, and it's absolute BS. My brother is a newly minted controller down in Houston, and his experience at the training academy showed the extent of the problem. Training classes typically cycle through a handful of times per year, maybe 4 or 5 classes of 20-30 trainees each. There was a span of several months where there were literally NO classes because so few of the candidates were even able to pass the basic background checks. Guess that's what happens when you target-hire a bunch of minorities and women. They got wise and went back to their practice of hiring the best candidates (read: ex mil or college degreed white dudes) and now things are more or less back on track. From what he's told me, the issue remains in the initial training areas, very few of these Obama diversity hires are actually cutting the mustard and making it to the control floor. ATC is an extraordinarily difficult school. In any given class 20 to 40 percent will fail out regardless of racial demographic. Further, military people typically have a hard time converting from the military method to the NAS method, again this is regardless of race. Also a huge percentage of hires dont cut the mustard and get the axe. (ATC is a job jeopardy school) One of the guys I was in a class with was a black guy, former police officer, and really cool stand up guy who was a controller who didnt make it through ATC school, but he is a great inspector. I might have seen your brother there as I was just there for a class. (ETA: Controllers are downstairs in the Stafford building and I was in building 4 and the hangars, but had lunch a few times at the cafeteria) |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 6:47:08 PM EDT
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It's not just a war on white men, it's a war on competence.
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Posted: 6/2/2018 6:49:12 PM EDT
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So we gonna take bets on when the first mid-air collision happens?
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Posted: 6/2/2018 7:12:07 PM EDT
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It's not just a war on white men, it's a war on competence. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 7:17:25 PM EDT
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Nope, not one bit. Skin color is much more important than ability to do the job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This surprise anyone? Skin color is much more important than ability to do the job. I don't think he understands the definition of that word. |
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Posted: 6/2/2018 7:18:54 PM EDT
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Was coming to post this story myself when I found this thread with a dupe search. This surprise anyone? Yep 
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Posted: 6/2/2018 7:21:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2018 7:22:48 PM EDT
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“...the National Black Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees...” So, I assume there’s also a ‘National White Coalition of Federal Aviation Employees’. Right? 
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