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Posted: 8/1/2022 7:24:08 PM EDT
[#1]
I received mine today, having never touched an MP5 before this is all new to me.
The safety selector is so tight I can’t actuate it with my thumb, I’ll be buying a Magpul version this week, I also don’t like the trigger housing and the slim handguard but I already have a navy style housing and wide handguard on the way. Now I have to decide if I’m going to use a brace or file a form 1, it’s pretty much useless in its current format. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 7:26:20 PM EDT
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So, I can basically get an MP5 for $1100 (core), and then another $200 or less parts to make it an SBR?
I really do need to do this...I already have a 9mm can... And 10 acres to shoot on out back. All I'm missing is a receding hairline. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 7:44:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've got a Sig Romeo 5 on mine and think it's perfect. Noted - Thank you. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 7:45:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks to me like the one MKE includes with the gun if you get the full package version that comes with the mount, flashider, extra mags, and cleaning kit. For something like that mount or similar height, a micro red dot like he has there in a standard "low" mount will give you a sight picture where just the top 1/3 or so of the front sight hood is in the lower 1/3 of the optic window, so you're seeing over the irons. Some companies make ultra low rail or direct mounts that allow you to fully cowitness with the irons, but IMO these kinda suck due to how busy the irons are on the MP5, it just looks too distracting to me. Thank you as well. I haven't had any guns with hk style sights. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 7:46:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the one that comes with the gun. I tried a few red dots, a PRO, sparcAR, an MRO, and even a few prisms, but none really clicked. The irons work great up close. I'd like to try an RMR or equivalent My eyes just aren't what they were. I'm a recent RMR convert for my glocks. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 7:48:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I received mine today, having never touched an MP5 before this is all new to me. The safety selector is so tight I can’t actuate it with my thumb, I’ll be buying a Magpul version this week, I also don’t like the trigger housing and the slim handguard but I already have a navy style housing and wide handguard on the way. Now I have to decide if I’m going to use a brace or file a form 1, it’s pretty much useless in its current format. Somewhat concerning, but I hope that eases up in time, like charging handles, triggers, etc. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 7:55:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Somewhat concerning, but I hope that eases up in time, like charging handles, triggers, etc. It will, but it's still a reach. Get the magpul ESK |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 7:58:13 PM EDT
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The selector is tight out of the box, but the best remedy is to use it. The detent will start to wear a track in the plastic and become easier to move over time.
If it's still too tight, take it off and bend the tab the detent is on a bit. Or get the Magpul selector, it's much smoother. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 7:58:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It will, but it's still a reach. Get the magpul ESK More stuff! I'm starting to hope she doesn't like it. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 7:58:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/1/2022 8:00:16 PM EDT
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MAGPUL might be releasing this year their collapsable SL stock for the MP5.
They said 2022 but I'm not going to hold my breath. |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 8:02:27 PM EDT
[#12]
 New Magpul MP5 Furniture! |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 8:12:41 PM EDT
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I just picked up my AP5 Core, or whatever it’s called, on Thursday. Ordered from ATL. It looks and feels every bit as good as the one is I shot the piz out of in the BP. It looks a lot cleaner and better built than any of the several Coharie jam o matics I’ve owned. I still need to shoot it…
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Posted: 8/1/2022 8:25:19 PM EDT
[#14]
$1,100? What the hell? I looked a year or so ago and MKE's were $2k.
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Posted: 8/1/2022 8:28:36 PM EDT
[#15]
It would be interesting if the major manufacturers like Ruger, S&W, etc would start to make MP5 clones. They already make AR's, might as well dip their feet in the MP5 world.
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Posted: 8/1/2022 8:32:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be interesting if the major manufacturers like Ruger, S&W, etc would start to make MP5 clones. They already make AR's, might as well dip their feet in the MP5 world. All else being equal. The pcc intended role was before 300 blk and using urban rifle (ie Clint smith). Between 1970 and 1990 (ish). After that, the use was diminished by carbine and shorter lengths of 5.56. I still think it'll be fun and much more economical to shoot. You find that lpk? |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 8:33:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $1,100? What the hell? I looked a year or so ago and MKE's were $2k. Turkey's dollar is collapsing |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 8:36:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks to me like the one MKE includes with the gun if you get the full package version that comes with the mount, flashider, extra mags, and cleaning kit. For something like that mount or similar height, a micro red dot like he has there in a standard "low" mount will give you a sight picture where just the top 1/3 or so of the front sight hood is in the lower 1/3 of the optic window, so you're seeing over the irons. Some companies make ultra low rail or direct mounts that allow you to fully cowitness with the irons, but IMO these kinda suck due to how busy the irons are on the MP5, it just looks too distracting to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can anyone identify the claw mount @1:47 ?? For something like that mount or similar height, a micro red dot like he has there in a standard "low" mount will give you a sight picture where just the top 1/3 or so of the front sight hood is in the lower 1/3 of the optic window, so you're seeing over the irons. Some companies make ultra low rail or direct mounts that allow you to fully cowitness with the irons, but IMO these kinda suck due to how busy the irons are on the MP5, it just looks too distracting to me. All the above. I mounted a 509t on an American Defense low qd mount and the front sight hood is barely visible. Super lightweight and I really like the choice of 3 reticles.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/1/2022 9:49:13 PM EDT
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I dig the 509T, have the same "lower 1/3" ADM mount setup on the MI rail on mine.
The "low" style mounts can get it in full cowitness if so desired - infolink 
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Posted: 8/2/2022 3:11:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MAGPUL might be releasing this year their collapsable SL stock for the MP5. They said 2022 but I'm not going to hold my breath. Been watching and watching... It was supposed to be out like soon.. q3 soon.. so next month ???.. |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 3:12:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just picked up my AP5 Core, or whatever it’s called, on Thursday. Ordered from ATL. It looks and feels every bit as good as the one is I shot the piz out of in the BP. It looks a lot cleaner and better built than any of the several Coharie jam o matics I’ve owned. I still need to shoot it… Bet ya pmag it fires beautifully and you become an MKE convert!!! okay i cant beat. my state will arrest me if i sell/transfer/obtain any kind of standard cap... but you get my point :) |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 3:14:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Turkey's dollar is collapsing More like Century's is!~ LOL.. these started out at like 2499 like HK price.. what where they thinkin??? and no one bought.. so 1900.. and no one bought.. so 1600 and no one bought.. and 200$ rebate.. and finally people started buying... I'm guessing they have a warehouse full of tens/hundreds of thousands of these and they weren't moving at their high prices.. but bringing it down closer to 1k core.. or 1400 with accessories... Is far far more attractive to people. |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 3:37:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where can I acquire that shoulder rig? I need one. Don't know about the leather, but eagle used to make nylon ones, but discontinued them several years ago. Mine is an airsoft clone, but those discontined years ago. |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 6:43:11 AM EDT
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Apologies if this has already been asked, but the barrel looks threaded? Is it the (I think standard) 1/2" 28 fine thread for most 9mm cans, or something funky euro/metric?
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Posted: 8/2/2022 6:54:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apologies if this has already been asked, but the barrel looks threaded? Is it the (I think standard) 1/2" 28 fine thread for most 9mm cans, or something funky euro/metric? It’s 1/2x28 |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 10:44:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't know about the leather, but eagle used to make nylon ones, but discontinued them several years ago. Mine is an airsoft clone, but those discontined years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where can I acquire that shoulder rig? I need one. Don't know about the leather, but eagle used to make nylon ones, but discontinued them several years ago. Mine is an airsoft clone, but those discontined years ago. Leather rig is from M&L |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 11:01:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally not a single thing you said was correct. We are all stupider for having read this. Congrats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Buy a real HK. Many of the clone are either cosmetically deficient or mechanically not competent. The POF guns especially have issues. Literally not a single thing you said was correct. We are all stupider for having read this. Congrats. Literally one of the Best replies in the history of GD ..!  |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 11:37:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally one of the Best replies in the history of GD ..! https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1600x1200q90/923/FUupm4.jpg Is there a reasonable place to get SF handguards, and can those heads be replaced with a more modern solution? |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 11:46:20 AM EDT
[#29]
I went ahead and bought the AP5-P to go with my AP5 that hasn't even shipped yet. I am going to have to work some overtime this week.
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Posted: 8/2/2022 11:48:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a reasonable place to get SF handguards, and can those heads be replaced with a more modern solution? They're often found here on EE and also on the HKPro forum/Marketplace. The old fat torch heads are definitely replaceable with modern factory LED units that have thinner heads and higher lumen output. I actually have one scheduled for delivery, today. FYI....: https://www.hkpro.com/threads/surefire-628%E2%80%99s.537714/ |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 11:57:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a reasonable place to get SF handguards, and can those heads be replaced with a more modern solution? If you find one, let me know  The B&T integrated handguard isn't half bad, not as nice as a surefire though |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 12:00:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I went ahead and bought the AP5-P to go with my AP5 that hasn't even shipped yet. I am going to have to work some overtime this week. Exactly what I did.. cept I cant g4et overtime.. Just have to pay off creditcard slowly! |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 1:11:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're often found here on EE and also on the HKPro forum/Marketplace. The old fat torch heads are definitely replaceable with modern factory LED units that have thinner heads and higher lumen output. I actually have one scheduled for delivery, today. FYI....: https://www.hkpro.com/threads/surefire-628%E2%80%99s.537714/ Thank you!! |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 1:24:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a reasonable place to get SF handguards, and can those heads be replaced with a more modern solution? I replaced the old Surefire bulb with a Malkoff led unit. |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 1:35:59 PM EDT
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bought a ap5-p in March. I absolutely love it. Also got started on a YHM R9 to go on the end of it. Hoping to get the stamp approved within ~60 days.
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Posted: 8/2/2022 2:31:26 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: bought a ap5-p in March. I absolutely love it. Also got started on a YHM R9 to go on the end of it. Hoping to get the stamp approved within ~60 days. @NapTown When did you start your paperwork on your R9? Mine was submitted in process on the 29th of July |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 3:20:06 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I received mine today, having never touched an MP5 before this is all new to me. The safety selector is so tight I can’t actuate it with my thumb, I’ll be buying a Magpul version this week, I also don’t like the trigger housing and the slim handguard but I already have a navy style housing and wide handguard on the way. Now I have to decide if I’m going to use a brace or file a form 1, it’s pretty much useless in its current format. What's the difference in the MKE and a "Navy" housing? I usually want metal over anything plastic. Anyone make a metal housing that will work with these? |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 4:05:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the difference in the MKE and a "Navy" housing? I usually want metal over anything plastic. Anyone make a metal housing that will work with these?  A newer revision would be the ambidexterous design with the same SEF markings. You can usually swap to one of these easy on the MKE:  A true "Navy" housing technically is like the above and also added pictogram selector markings over the SEF markings. These are usually also setup for an ambidextrous safety on both sides and would need a different trigger cage to use. The metal housings are the styled similar to the G3, it uses a separate pistol grip part. These were never used on true HK MP5s, they were a product of their old commercial market HK93 import models back in the day. POF clones still come with these IIRC.  |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 4:07:12 PM EDT
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ETA: D man covered it.
I shot my AP5 today, I’ve seen a break in of a few hundred rounds of 124gr NATO highly recommended, but mine had no problem with WWB so far. |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 4:40:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The MKE comes with a "contoured" trigger housing. It's an older plastic style that has ribbing mike lines on the body and molded finder grooves/rests: https://hkparts.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/hk-sef-contoured-grip-frame-used-surplus-1.jpg A newer revision would be the ambidexterous design with the same SEF markings. You can usually swap to one of these easy on the MKE: https://hkparts.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/hk-sef-navy-style-polymer-housing-push-pin-3.jpg A true "Navy" housing technically is like the above and also added pictogram selector markings over the SEF markings. These are usually also setup for an ambidextrous safety on both sides and would need a different trigger cage to use. The metal housings are the styled similar to the G3, it uses a separate pistol grip part. These were never used on true HK MP5s, they were a product of their old commercial market HK93 import models back in the day. POF clones still come with these IIRC. https://hkparts.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/94-93-semi-grip-frame-sef-metal-hk-german-1.jpg Found a video of swapping a SEF poly housing to replace the POF housing, so it appears most people want plastic instead of metal. I guess maybe I'm just old, but wouldn't a metal housing be preferred to plastic on this thing? Is there a benefit to using plastic, other than possibly a very minor weight savings? |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 4:50:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Found a video of swapping a SEF poly housing to replace the POF housing, so it appears most people want plastic instead of metal. I guess maybe I'm just old, but wouldn't a metal housing be preferred to plastic on this thing? Is there a benefit to using plastic, other than possibly a very minor weight savings? That said, all of the plastic housings have molded-in metal reinforcements at the mounting points and there's really no a lot of stress on it when firing, that's all up in the main receiver. |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 5:17:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you!! @Marksman14 another listing... https://www.hkpro.com/threads/lots-of-mp5-items-mp5sd-surefire-b-t.551087/#post-3983069 |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 5:51:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The original first gen from the 60's of the real HK MP5 used the plastic housing, the contoured one with finger grooves. The metal one was part of the HK94 imports as one of several changes from a standard MP5 design that made it harder to covert to full-auto. These have a different geometry if they're legit HK94 pattern and wouldn't work with the MKE (nor front pin for example). Most of the people fitting these MKE clones with metal housings are probably taking original G3 housings and modifying them, which can be done. That said, all of the plastic housings have molded-in metal reinforcements at the mounting points and there's really no a lot of stress on it when firing, that's all up in the main receiver. Thank you for that explanation! I didn’t realize the plastic housing had always been that way. My only experience with roller locked was an old cetme century build I had 20 years ago complete with canted sights and a ground bolt lol |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 6:15:39 PM EDT
[#44]
I own an SBR'd MKE full size with an A2 stock. I got it back when ATI was importing them. It runs pretty well. The only issue I have had with it is that it won't run with straight magazines.
I also own an H&K SP5 and an H&K HK91. There is no comparison between H&K and MKE and in terms of fit and finish. And my SP5K runs like a raped ape with straight mags. If you can't afford an H&K and want to buy a copy, then by all means get an MKE. It is what it is. But what it isn't is "just as good." |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 6:17:08 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Found a video of swapping a SEF poly housing to replace the POF housing, so it appears most people want plastic instead of metal. I guess maybe I'm just old, but wouldn't a metal housing be preferred to plastic on this thing? Is there a benefit to using plastic, other than possibly a very minor weight savings? I find the geometry of the Navy lower to make it easier to operate the safety. YMMV. |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 9:09:48 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I own an SBR'd MKE full size with an A2 stock. I got it back when ATI was importing them. It runs pretty well. The only issue I have had with it is that it won't run with straight magazines. I also own an H&K SP5 and an H&K HK91. There is no comparison between H&K and MKE and in terms of fit and finish. And my SP5K runs like a raped ape with straight mags. If you can't afford an H&K and want to buy a copy, then by all means get an MKE. It is what it is. But what it isn't is "just as good." I cant see any difference in fit and finish between my MKE and the 94 I used to have other than the HK was a bit shiny. Definitely better than the MP5K PDW we had at our shop. Our 53 didn't even look as good. Welds looked like a middle schooler did them in shop class. Besides this is a $1500 platform at best. No where worth over 2k no matter who makes it. Still miss my old 94 though. Well ok maybe I would pay 2k for one right now, but mainly because of the name and nostalgia lol |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 9:19:45 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I cant see any difference in fit and finish between my MKE and the 94 I used to have other than the HK was a bit shiny. Definitely better than the MP5K PDW we had at our shop. Our 53 didn't even look as good. Welds looked like a middle schooler did them in shop class. Besides this is a $1500 platform at best. No where worth over 2k no matter who makes it. Still miss my old 94 though. Mainly because of the name lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I own an SBR'd MKE full size with an A2 stock. I got it back when ATI was importing them. It runs pretty well. The only issue I have had with it is that it won't run with straight magazines. I also own an H&K SP5 and an H&K HK91. There is no comparison between H&K and MKE and in terms of fit and finish. And my SP5K runs like a raped ape with straight mags. If you can't afford an H&K and want to buy a copy, then by all means get an MKE. It is what it is. But what it isn't is "just as good." I cant see any difference in fit and finish between my MKE and the 94 I used to have other than the HK was a bit shiny. Definitely better than the MP5K PDW we had at our shop. Our 53 didn't even look as good. Welds looked like a middle schooler did them in shop class. Besides this is a $1500 platform at best. No where worth over 2k no matter who makes it. Still miss my old 94 though. Mainly because of the name lol A bunch of people upset the MKE riff raff will be joining their forums. |
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Posted: 8/2/2022 9:22:07 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I own an SBR'd MKE full size with an A2 stock. I got it back when ATI was importing them. It runs pretty well. The only issue I have had with it is that it won't run with straight magazines. I also own an H&K SP5 and an H&K HK91. There is no comparison between H&K and MKE and in terms of fit and finish. And my SP5K runs like a raped ape with straight mags. If you can't afford an H&K and want to buy a copy, then by all means get an MKE. It is what it is. But what it isn't is "just as good." Were the ATI versions Pakistani Ordnance Factory or MKE manufactured? |
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Posted: 8/3/2022 3:07:08 AM EDT
[#49]
Mine arrives on Thursday. The MP5 is probably my grail gun, so the turk clone will be just as gud.
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Posted: 8/3/2022 3:18:59 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine arrives on Thursday. The MP5 is probably my grail gun, so the turk clone will be just as gud. You're gonna love it.. and your wallet is gonna love you. Report back. |
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