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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:23:16 AM EDT
[#1]
He is disgusting
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:02:10 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He is disgusting Well if I was to nitpick his veins in his legs are crazy and compared to other world class body builders his chest is a little under developed. He clearly has the best abs among world class body builders though. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:20:41 AM EDT
[#3]
Wow, only 5-7.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:25:54 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, only 5-7. Yep and about 240-250 lbs. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:27:12 AM EDT
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Guy from the tiny little gym in my hometown won the Arnold Classic a couple of years ago. I only half ass even go to the gym but the last time I went in there I noticed Arnold's poster had been taken down. Friend of mine who owns the gym took it down after his remarks about our freedom.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:30:28 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guy from the tiny little gym in my hometown won the Arnold Classic a couple of years ago. I only half ass even go to the gym but the last time I went in there I noticed Arnold's poster had been taken down. Friend of mine who owns the gym took it down after his remarks about our freedom. Huge backlash in the body building community over that. Major sponsors dropped out of the classic. It's good to see... |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:30:42 AM EDT
[#7]
Body by Modern Chemistry.
No amount of Whey protein supplements are going to do that to a human body. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:34:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Body by Modern Chemistry. No amount of Whey protein supplements are going to do that to a human body. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:35:46 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, only 5-7. Just think about the time that saves him in the gym not having to move weights as far as a full grown adult. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:38:28 AM EDT
[#10]
Bodybuilders are going to start getting smaller. They've realized that the monsters they grew up idolizing died young. There's now a new division called Classic Physique, which is what bodybuilding used to be. The training, diet, and drugs are the same. Only the drug dosages are decreased.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:39:42 AM EDT
[#11]
Dude has acne all over his hamstrings. Must be from using a dirty bench. Or something.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:40:42 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bodybuilders are going to start getting smaller. They've realized that the monsters they grew up idolizing died young. There's now a new division called Classic Physique, which is what bodybuilding used to be. The training, diet, and drugs are the same. Only the drug dosages are decreased. Lol |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:45:14 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bodybuilders are going to start getting smaller. They've realized that the monsters they grew up idolizing died young. There's now a new division called Classic Physique, which is what bodybuilding used to be. The training, diet, and drugs are the same. Only the drug dosages are decreased. Lol I'm not a bodybuilder, but I've run in those circles. I've seen some pretty genetically gifted dudes say that they're just going to do Classic Physique because they don't want to run the massive dosages to be Ronnie Coleman/Jay Cutler/Phil Heath sized. Those dudes look like shit anyway. The best male physique ever was a prime Frank Zane. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:48:46 AM EDT
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Not a Lance Armstrong fan boy , but LA got booted and blasted for taking EPO and Test.
I suppose this kid and his counterparts are all squeaky clean drug-free genetic mutants? - seems like a huge double standard. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:50:51 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Body by Modern Chemistry. No amount of Whey protein supplements are going to do that to a human body. True, but just doing steroids won't do it either. Dude probably puts in tons of hours in the gym and monitors his diet like no other. But yes, curious to see how big he'd be without the chemistry. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:51:42 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bodybuilders are going to start getting smaller. They've realized that the monsters they grew up idolizing died young. There's now a new division called Classic Physique, which is what bodybuilding used to be. The training, diet, and drugs are the same. Only the drug dosages are decreased. This could be an interesting category. The dudes in the 90s 2000 were 300+ masses of pure muscle. It was all about size. Going back to proportions and symmetry would be nice. And drop the spray on tan for gods sake. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:52:56 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a Lance Armstrong fan boy , but LA got booted and blasted for taking EPO and Test. I suppose this kid and his counterparts are all squeaky clean drug-free genetic mutants? - seems like a huge double standard. Yes and no. One sport specifically says performance enhancing drugs are illegal so if you use them while others are following rules you cheated and have an advantage. The other sport accepts drug use as part of it so they are all on them so no one has an advantage over the others. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:00:38 AM EDT
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Chemicals or no chemicals, the amount of dedication and discipline required is something most people can't even fathom.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:11:12 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True, but just doing steroids won't do it either. Dude probably puts in tons of hours in the gym and monitors his diet like no other. But yes, curious to see how big he'd be without the chemistry. Look at pictures of bodybuilders pre-1936 to see how big a genetically gifted human can get without steroids. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:15:34 AM EDT
[#20]
Have to know a lot about nutrition and YOUR body to get there….let alone the physical.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:16:01 AM EDT
[#21]
Fuck your freedoms
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:26:32 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck your freedoms Nick had nothing to do with that and Arnold didn’t show him respect after he won. Maybe Nick is a conservative and that is why Arnold left the stage without doing his normal post contest interview. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:31:20 AM EDT
[#23]
People wouldn't listen when I said he would win the Arnold. I keep saying he will easily be in the top 3, or 5 if things don't go completely right at the Olympia. If one or two of the right people were to suddenly drop out of the Olympia, he'd win it. The kid is a true mutant and will be winning the Olympia in the next 3-4 years or less.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:36:51 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This could be an interesting category. The dudes in the 90s 2000 were 300+ masses of pure muscle. It was all about size. Going back to proportions and symmetry would be nice. And drop the spray on tan for gods sake. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bodybuilders are going to start getting smaller. They've realized that the monsters they grew up idolizing died young. There's now a new division called Classic Physique, which is what bodybuilding used to be. The training, diet, and drugs are the same. Only the drug dosages are decreased. This could be an interesting category. The dudes in the 90s 2000 were 300+ masses of pure muscle. It was all about size. Going back to proportions and symmetry would be nice. And drop the spray on tan for gods sake. Of course it's all about size. Who wants to watch a natural bodybuilding show? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:38:22 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People wouldn't listen when I said he would win the Arnold. I keep saying he will easily be in the top 3, or 5 if things don't go completely right at the Olympia. If one or two of the right people were to suddenly drop out of the Olympia, he'd win it. The kid is a true mutant and will be winning the Olympia in the next 3-4 years or less. Short men don't win the Olympia. Franco was an anomaly. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:39:02 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a bodybuilder, but I've run in those circles. I've seen some pretty genetically gifted dudes say that they're just going to do Classic Physique because they don't want to run the massive dosages to be Ronnie Coleman/Jay Cutler/Phil Heath sized. Those dudes look like shit anyway. The best male physique ever was a prime Frank Zane. Classic Physique guys run just as much gear, some even more. It's all down to diet, training, and genetics. Chris Bumstead could easily walk into the Open category and compete with the freaks if he wanted too but his height would mean he would need to come in at 300+ on stage. But I can certainly agree with you that the 70's bodybuilders like Arnold, Zane, Columbu, Nubret, Corney, Draper and so on had the best builds. After that the race to become a mutant killed it for me. There was no symmetry and so on, it was just, who can get the biggest. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:42:08 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Body by Modern Chemistry. No amount of Whey protein supplements are going to do that to a human body. and they just talk about how hard they workin. I have no doubt they put in insane hours and work and time and effort but none of that would equal those results without the chemistry. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:45:36 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Short men don't win the Olympia. Franco was an anomaly. Ehhhh are you aware how tall the last few open class and 212 Olympia winners are? Flex Lewis is 5'5, Rolly Winkler 5'7.... |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:50:35 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ehhhh are you aware how tall the last few open class and 212 Olympia winners are? Flex Lewis is 5'5, Rolly Winkler 5'7.... If Ramy comes in great condition then he has too much size for Nick to overcome. Nick needs others to have a bad day to win the Olympia. I liked Kai Greene when he won the Arnold, but after he tried to play the size game to win the Olympia he wasn’t as good. Everyone knows they are on drugs, but what specifically are these guys using? I hear talk about insulin how does that work? Same type of insulin like diabetics use? Let’s not act like the old guys didn’t use drugs either I’m sure they used stuff in Arnold’s day as well. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 10:16:53 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: and they just talk about how hard they workin. I have no doubt they put in insane hours and work and time and effort but none of that would equal those results without the chemistry. Sure, but the chemicals wouldn’t get them where they are without everything else either. The guys at the Arnold and Olympia live for body building. It is their primary focus every day. It is their world and takes up 100 percent of their focus. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 10:48:05 AM EDT
[#31]
Just found this a pretty good description of the different categories.
Competitors in the 212 division cannot be over 5’5” tall. That’s one thing I was unaware of. https://fitnessvolt.com/27290/understanding-the-difference/ |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 10:50:39 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True, but just doing steroids won't do it either. Dude probably puts in tons of hours in the gym and monitors his diet like no other. But yes, curious to see how big he'd be without the chemistry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Body by Modern Chemistry. No amount of Whey protein supplements are going to do that to a human body. True, but just doing steroids won't do it either. Dude probably puts in tons of hours in the gym and monitors his diet like no other. But yes, curious to see how big he'd be without the chemistry. Let’s not forget the missing ingredient here…. Genetics. The average Joe can take the same gear and put in the same work, the results will probably not be the same. Some people are blessed. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 12:32:40 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Ramy comes in great condition then he has too much size for Nick to overcome. Nick needs others to have a bad day to win the Olympia. I liked Kai Greene when he won the Arnold, but after he tried to play the size game to win the Olympia he wasn’t as good. Everyone knows they are on drugs, but what specifically are these guys using? I hear talk about insulin how does that work? Same type of insulin like diabetics use? Let’s not act like the old guys didn’t use drugs either I’m sure they used stuff in Arnold’s day as well. Anabolic androgenic steroids, insulin, growth hormone, thyroid hormone, fat burners, diuretics... |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 12:37:22 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s not forget the missing ingredient here…. Genetics. The average Joe can take the same gear and put in the same work, the results will probably not be the same. Some people are blessed. It's not just genetics of how much muscle you have or can gain, it's also how well you respond to the drugs. IIRC, Nick looked like crap as a natural and blew up after getting on gear. Other guys can look great natural and not get much bigger no matter what they take. Then there's everything in between and you get Ronnie Coleman or a guy that has no muscle whatsoever. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 12:43:01 PM EDT
[#35]
It's impressive how big he got and his condition is good but I don't think it's very aesthetic and the varicose veins are creepy. I don't like the way Big Ramy looks either. Regan Grimes has a better physique IMO.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 12:50:51 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's impressive how big he got and his condition is good but I don't think it's very aesthetic and the varicose veins are creepy. I don't like the way Big Ramy looks either. Regan Grimes has a better physique IMO. Shaun Rhoden and Cedric McMillan are my favorite physiques in Open, but I don't think that's the way the judges and the category as a whole are going. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 12:51:00 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bodybuilders are going to start getting smaller. They've realized that the monsters they grew up idolizing died young. There's now a new division called Classic Physique, which is what bodybuilding used to be. The training, diet, and drugs are the same. Only the drug dosages are decreased. Walker is an absolute swolasaurus. The physiques from Arnold’s era don’t hold a candle to today’s competitors. That said, the move toward more classic physiques is good to see. BB has become a ridiculous parade of freaks that are completely removed from anything that could be considered a healthy lifestyle. |
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Posted: 9/29/2021 7:28:28 AM EDT
[#38]
I decided to do some research on drug use in body building. From the little understanding I gained with the amounts and combination of drugs they are using they have to be getting doctor prescriptions with regular blood work done or they would kill themselves. Seems like insulin use is especially dangerous and may be one factor for the growth guts we now see.
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Posted: 9/29/2021 7:34:50 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a bodybuilder, but I've run in those circles. I've seen some pretty genetically gifted dudes say that they're just going to do Classic Physique because they don't want to run the massive dosages to be Ronnie Coleman/Jay Cutler/Phil Heath sized. Those dudes look like shit anyway. The best male physique ever was a prime Frank Zane. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bodybuilders are going to start getting smaller. They've realized that the monsters they grew up idolizing died young. There's now a new division called Classic Physique, which is what bodybuilding used to be. The training, diet, and drugs are the same. Only the drug dosages are decreased. Lol I'm not a bodybuilder, but I've run in those circles. I've seen some pretty genetically gifted dudes say that they're just going to do Classic Physique because they don't want to run the massive dosages to be Ronnie Coleman/Jay Cutler/Phil Heath sized. Those dudes look like shit anyway. The best male physique ever was a prime Frank Zane. That’s the direction I wish it would take, but it’s not going to happen. Open sells tickets and sponsorships, probably orders of magnitude more than the other classes. People will always want to be the biggest. I agree that classic physique is probably the best display of the human form. |
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Posted: 9/29/2021 7:38:21 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I decided to do some research on drug use in body building. From the little understanding I gained with the amounts and combination of drugs they are using they have to be getting doctor prescriptions with regular blood work done or they would kill themselves. Seems like insulin use is especially dangerous and may be one factor for the growth guts we now see. Insulin is only dangerous if you’re a fucking moron. Also, they should be getting bloodwork but those that do are in the minority, and they’re almost surely not getting their gear via prescription. |
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Posted: 9/29/2021 7:38:22 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s the direction I wish it would take, but it’s not going to happen. Open sells tickets and sponsorships, probably orders of magnitude more than the other classes. People will always want to be the biggest. I agree that classic physique is probably the best display of the human form. Here is a breakdown of the prize money for different categories. Open pays $400,000 and classic pays $30,000. https://internationalfitnessbodybuildingnewsfeed.org/theres-up-to-1-6-million-in-total-prize-money-at-the-2021-mr-olympia/?amp=1 |
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Posted: 9/29/2021 7:46:25 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Insulin is only dangerous if you’re a fucking moron. Also, they should be getting bloodwork but those that do are in the minority, and they’re almost surely not getting their gear via prescription. Pharm grade testerone, Insulin, Growth hormone, Igf-1. Vet grade equipose, and tren. Chinese under ground lab Masteron, deca, and everything else under the sun. Spend an hour doing some research you can find all this stuff you just need to have thousands of dollars a month to run it all. Top body builders probalbly get a majority of their stuff for free they get sponsors. |
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Posted: 9/29/2021 8:03:42 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pharm grade testerone, Insulin, Growth hormone, Igf-1. Vet grade equipose, and tren. Chinese under ground lab Masteron, deca, and everything else under the sun. Spend an hour doing some research you can find all this stuff you just need to have thousands of dollars a month to run it all. Top body builders probalbly get a majority of their stuff for free they get sponsors. Doesn’t seem wise to combine all that without an experience doctor prescribing it. Add in the possibility of not getting what you think you are when buying it off the street and it seems like a recipe for disaster. My opinion is unless you are a world class athlete making a living off of it and being prescribed by a doctor with regular blood work you should stay away from drugs all together. |
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Posted: 9/29/2021 8:06:02 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Creatine bro. Shit's amazing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Body by Modern Chemistry. No amount of Whey protein supplements are going to do that to a human body. I guess next you are going to tell us WWF is fake. |
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Posted: 9/29/2021 8:14:47 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted:The best male physique ever was a prime Frank Zane. Before my time but I agree, great symmetry and balance.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/29/2021 8:28:51 AM EDT
[#46]
Draw your own conclusions. 700mg of Tren Ace a week for advanced!
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/steroids-what-pro-bodybuilders-are-really-using 1-10 Testosterone Enanthate, 750mg a week (1000-1200mg advanced)1-10 EQ, 800mg a week (1000mg advanced) 1-10 Tren E, 600mg/week (800mg advanced) 1-8 D-Bol, 50mg every day (up to 100mg advanced) 10-16 100mg Testosterone prop EOD (100mg ED advanced) 10-16 100mg Trenbolone Acetate EOD (75-100mg ED advanced) 10-16 100mg Masteron propionate EOD (100mg ED advanced) 10-16 50mg Winstrol or Anavar ED (sometime I do both) 8-16 Start T3 at 25mcg ED and taper up as needed. 12-16 Halotestin, start at 20mg ED and increase by 10mg every week (not a good choice for those who aren't mentally strong.) Pharmaceutical GH 6-12 IU ED for the whole cycle (If people can afford more then the sky is the limit. I know guys who've gone up to 30 IU but this is rare.) Insulin For advanced lifters only! 5-10 IU pre-workout followed by drinking Plazma right away. This is a moderate dosage, a lot of guys are using much more. When to cut insulin is very individual and depends on conditioning, water retention and the amount of carbs the bodybuilder is eating. It could be run straight through or cut out in the weeks prior to the show and possibly reintroduced later on. Clenbuterol is on option starting at 6-8 weeks out. Most start low, 20-40mcg. |
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Posted: 9/29/2021 8:30:48 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn’t seem wise to combine all that without an experience doctor prescribing it. Add in the possibility of not getting what you think you are when buying it off the street and it seems like a recipe for disaster. My opinion is unless you are a world class athlete making a living off of it and being prescribed by a doctor with regular blood work you should stay away from drugs all together. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pharm grade testerone, Insulin, Growth hormone, Igf-1. Vet grade equipose, and tren. Chinese under ground lab Masteron, deca, and everything else under the sun. Spend an hour doing some research you can find all this stuff you just need to have thousands of dollars a month to run it all. Top body builders probalbly get a majority of their stuff for free they get sponsors. Doesn’t seem wise to combine all that without an experience doctor prescribing it. Add in the possibility of not getting what you think you are when buying it off the street and it seems like a recipe for disaster. My opinion is unless you are a world class athlete making a living off of it and being prescribed by a doctor with regular blood work you should stay away from drugs all together. No one really buys from randoms at the gym anymore. These days underground sources have brand names and will pay people to test their gear and report their results. It’s not as trustworthy as pharma but if you buy from a “reputable” source you’re fine. Raw ingredients are cheap and there’s a huge markup either way so the incentive isn’t really there to sell fake or underdosed shit. From what I hear. |
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Posted: 9/29/2021 8:37:44 AM EDT
[#48]
So they don't do drug testing in body building?
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Posted: 9/29/2021 8:39:45 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So they don't do drug testing in body building? Some organizations do, and rigorously. Zero people watch them because their competitors look like they trained at Auschwitz. |
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Posted: 9/29/2021 8:50:18 AM EDT
[#50]
Some interesting responses here... Some accurate, some not so much. Genetics are key, not only to size, but health. Some can tolerate doses required & others just cant. My old boss, at one time held the record for longest steroid sentence... Stories of deca being delivered in 55 gallon drums for processing(filtering & bottling). After prison he put together a team w/ the old crew, but in a legal occupation this time. Did very well for a while, we had some fun... Drs cannot & will not prescribe dosages required. There are cheap chemicals that anyone can purchase to tell you what the compound your holding really is. Just my opinion, worth what you paid for it
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