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Posted: 7/30/2021 8:55:12 AM EDT

New Zealand, Iceland, the UK, Tasmania and Ireland are the places best suited to survive a global collapse of society, according to a study.

The researchers said human civilisation was “in a perilous state” due to the highly interconnected and energy-intensive society that had developed and the environmental damage this had caused.

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To assess which nations would be most resilient to such a collapse, countries were ranked according to their ability to grow food for their population, protect their borders from unwanted mass migration, and maintain an electrical grid and some manufacturing ability. Islands in temperate regions and mostly with low population densities came out on top.

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Jones added: “We chose that you had to be able to protect borders and places had to be temperate. So with hindsight it’s quite obvious that large islands with complex societies on them already [make up the list].

“We were quite surprised the UK came out strongly. It is densely populated, has traditionally outsourced manufacturing, hasn’t been the quickest to develop renewable technology, and only produces 50% of its own food at the moment. But it has the potential to withstand shocks.”

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Places that did not suffer “the most egregious effects of societal collapses and are therefore able to maintain significant populations” have been described as “collapse lifeboats”, the study said.

New Zealand was found to have the greatest potential to survive relatively unscathed due to its geothermal and hydroelectric energy, abundant agricultural land and low human population density.

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He said the coronavirus pandemic had shown that governments could act quickly when needed. “It’s interesting how quickly we can close borders, and how quickly governments can make decisions to change things.”

But he added: “This drive for just-in-time, ever-more efficient, economies isn’t the thing you want to do for resilience. We need to build in some slack in the system, so that if there is a shock then you have the ability to respond because you’ve got spare capacity.

“We need to start thinking about resilience much more in global planning. But obviously, the ideal thing is that a quick collapse doesn’t happen.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/28/new-zealand-rated-best-place-to-survive-global-societal-collapse

I've seen 28 Days Later, the UK does not fare well. Also can they close the tunnel?

Posted: 7/30/2021 8:57:57 AM EDT

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If you don't mind communism or nuclear fallout I'm sure New Zealand would be a great place to survive a global collapse.

Posted: 7/30/2021 8:58:08 AM EDT

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New Zealand, Iceland, the UK, Tasmania and Ireland are the places best suited to survive a global collapse of society, according to a study.

To assess which nations would be most resilient to such a collapse, countries were ranked according to their ability to grow food for their population, protect their borders from unwanted mass migration, and maintain an electrical grid and some manufacturing ability. Islands in temperate regions and mostly with low population densities came out on top.

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Jones added: “We chose that you had to be able to protect borders and places had to be temperate. So with hindsight it’s quite obvious that large islands with complex societies on them already [make up the list].

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/28/new-zealand-rated-best-place-to-survive-global-societal-collapse

I've seen 28 Days Later, the UK does not fare well. Also can they close the tunnel?

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Diversity is not our strength, now?

Posted: 7/30/2021 8:58:42 AM EDT

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False.

Posted: 7/30/2021 8:59:32 AM EDT

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Who says I want to survive it?

Posted: 7/30/2021 8:59:59 AM EDT

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This just in: New Zealand to be conquered.

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:00:58 AM EDT

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As much as I like Iceland and Tasmania, they can barely feed their present population. They are net importers of basically everything. In a global societal collapse, they would circle the toilet.

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:01:30 AM EDT

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Hope you like mutton

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:04:54 AM EDT

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This.

NZ also has to import basically 100% of it's oil. Same with Iceland, Ireland and Tasmania. The UK has to import around half now, although if push came to shove they could probably just be like "Sorry, Norway, your oil belongs to us now".

And all of those places (except perhaps the UK) could be easily conquered.... Iceland literally has no military. NZ and Ireland's military are less well armed than many US SWAT teams.

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:09:01 AM EDT

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Beats long pig

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:09:13 AM EDT

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i've been applying for jobs down there for a few years but the border remains closed d/t the fake plague.

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:09:54 AM EDT

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This.

NZ also has to import basically 100% of it's oil. Same with Iceland, Ireland and Tasmania. The UK has to import around half now, although if push came to shove they could probably just be like "Sorry, Norway, your oil belongs to us now".

And all of those places (except perhaps the UK) could be easily conquered.... Iceland literally has no military. NZ and Ireland's military are less well armed than many US SWAT teams.

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merica should invade norway, iceland, new zealand, and ireland for resources and women.

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:10:45 AM EDT

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Diversity can be a great asset as it allows new ideas and new techniques. That is based on an assumption that the diverse people coming are worth a damn. As we know, they are not.

However, I do not believe the Guardian has ever said that diversity was a strength.

NZ proximity to China is a huge negative.

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:11:25 AM EDT

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Lived there for 5 years. I can attest.

90% of the plants are edible or fruit producing and there are ALOT of plants.

You can go out in the bush and accidentally survive.

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:11:44 AM EDT

[#14]

Lol.

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:12:25 AM EDT

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But then you have to contend with Orcs and Uruk-Hai........

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:12:34 AM EDT

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No shit… who the fuck are they kidding with Iceland? There are a total of 87 trees on the entire island and no oil. Granted they have the best hydro and hydrothermal on the planet, but they couldn't produce a gallon of fuel, 5 feet of copper wire or a piece of plywood if their lives depended on it. Before global trade got there… they literally depended on driftwood as a construction material.

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:13:06 AM EDT

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Until China sends a battalion over to enslave the poor disarmed betas.

Sorry but they let themselves be disarmed no respect for a single one of them and by my guess no one else will either if things go sideways

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:13:33 AM EDT

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No gloves, no masks, 'accidental' halo; and, that's man, baby.

Jacinda Arden getting second jab. No masks for her or the nurse in a medical setting. Yet the blind will still be told they must wear masks, follow rules blah blah. Wake up. pic.twitter.com/OsosonkJox
— \uD83C\uDF38 #Resistance21 (@darrenmark69) July 28, 2021

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:14:51 AM EDT

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Appalachia is probably the best place to survive the zombie apocalypse. Not much will change...

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:14:52 AM EDT

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But then you have to contend with Orcs and Uruk-Hai........

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To be fair there are probably less orcs and uruk-hai there than most other places

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:17:43 AM EDT

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Until China sends a battalion over to enslave the poor disarmed betas.

Sorry but they let themselves be disarmed no respect for a single one of them and by my guess no one else will either if things go sideways

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Iceland has literally no military.

New Zealand and Ireland's militaries are basically glorified police forces... I don't think they even have a navy or air force excluding militarily useless patrol craft.

Their civilian populations are also basically unarmed. They all could be easily conquered.

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:30:31 AM EDT

[#22]

Shit goes down it'll take China about 10 minutes to own it all

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:36:31 AM EDT

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Posted: 7/30/2021 9:39:14 AM EDT

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I think those places are on the earth so.......

10 But the aday of the Lord will bcome as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall cpass away with a great noise, and the delements shall melt with fervent heat, the eearth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:40:19 AM EDT

[#25]

Lol no to socialism

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:41:04 AM EDT

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Billionaire bunker thread

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:42:20 AM EDT

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Diversity can be a great asset as it allows new ideas and new techniques.
That is based on an assumption that the diverse people coming are worth a damn. As we know, they are not.

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Past a certain point, diversity becomes harmful to a society, regardless of what the new immigrants bring to the table.

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:42:34 AM EDT

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Yea that’s gonna be a no from me dawg.

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:42:40 AM EDT

[#29]

Chinas going to come a calling to those places, then what ?

Posted: 7/30/2021 9:42:54 AM EDT

[#30]

I'd take my chances on Easter Island

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:31:37 PM EDT

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Well, sure. If someone comes along, you just hide behind one of those big heads.

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:32:25 PM EDT

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I've been to NZ, you would have to kill all the natives as they would try to kill all the white people day one.

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:37:28 PM EDT

[#33]

Cannibal Island

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:43:38 PM EDT

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Too late the billionaires have already priced out real estate for their doomsday retreats a few years ago. Also the environmental restrictions in NZ are ungodly…if you think Khalifornistan is bad…

From 2018.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/feb/15/why-silicon-valley-billionaires-are-prepping-for-the-apocalypse-in-new-zealand

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:43:53 PM EDT

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BRB, moving to New Zealand.

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:45:16 PM EDT

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Subjugated Kiwis can take smug comfort in the fact that their conquered nation was 100% nuclear-free...until it was conquered.

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:47:11 PM EDT

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The Shire is secretly a survival compound.

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:52:26 PM EDT

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It worked so well for the Easter Islanders who put up the heads.

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:53:20 PM EDT

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An author/podcaster I like lives in Tasmania.

Tasmania (or any of Australia) is certainly NOT the place to go right now.

The whole country has been locked down for over a year now; protests, military in the streets of Sydney, roadblocks,etc...and their gov just announced the nationwide lockdowns will continue until 80% of the population is vaccinated

Said author drove to Hobart. He got a notification on his phone to return home.
The police went to his house the next day and warned him that he would get a fine in the mail if he drove to the city again and have stopped back since just to "checkup". That's been happening to people there for almost a year and a half now, but...US news doesn't report on it.

Speed

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:54:44 PM EDT

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I think I will ride it out in MO.
Worked out fine for my Grandmother, and she did not have running water and minimal electricity.

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:55:03 PM EDT

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Bullshit! I saw "Lord of the Rings", they're over run with "Orcs,Goblins and Trolls!

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:56:59 PM EDT

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Satan isn't going down without a fight.

Posted: 7/30/2021 12:59:18 PM EDT

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Worked out fine for my Grandmother, and she did not have running water and minimal electricity.

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NE MS for me. Pretty rural with lots of farm land and game.

Posted: 7/30/2021 1:01:36 PM EDT

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Until China sends a battalion over to enslave the poor disarmed betas.

Sorry but they let themselves be disarmed no respect for a single one of them and by my guess no one else will either if things go sideways

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That would be a further ironic spin of the genocide wheel from the Maori ethnically cleansing the Moriori, British Empire crushing the Maori, and now the Han 0.1% deciding this would be fantastic lebensraum.

Posted: 7/30/2021 1:03:43 PM EDT

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No shit… who the fuck are they kidding with Iceland? There are a total of 87 trees on the entire island and no oil. Granted they have the best hydro and hydrothermal on the planet, but they couldn't produce a gallon of fuel, 5 feet of copper wire or a piece of plywood if their lives depended on it. Before global trade got there… they literally depended on driftwood as a construction material.

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There were forests on Iceland but they were cut down for lumber/firewood. Decent documentary on it. They are managing to regrow swathes of forest.

Same with forests in the UK, all cut down and now the animal population will destroy any seeds that sprout so they started fencing areas just outside the forests to prevent grazing to allow the tree sprouts and undergrowth to spread.

Posted: 7/30/2021 1:19:31 PM EDT

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I lived there for a time. Hunted, fished, and grew some crops. Most would starve very quickly. Far fewer game, and places to grow crops than in the flat lands. I've seen a stream wiped completely of fish by a couple greedy anglers.

Posted: 7/30/2021 1:19:54 PM EDT

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Island with favorable weather and an insane amount of concentrated wealth via international transplants.

Of course it is

Posted: 7/30/2021 1:21:30 PM EDT

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Bullshit! I saw "Lord of the Rings", they're over run with "Orcs,Goblins and Trolls!

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Real life orc invasions are occurring in urban US on a daily basis.

Posted: 7/30/2021 1:23:22 PM EDT

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How are the gun laws?

Because, if they are as I suspect, then a boat full of armed individuals is going to blow that theory, literally, out of the water.

Posted: 7/30/2021 1:23:38 PM EDT

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they get a regular dose of seismic activity that takes down a road once in a while according to some guy riding a motorcycle next to daryl on his ride show..

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