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Posted: 12/2/2021 10:57:34 PM EDT
[#1]
Just move to a free state. Good looking pistol.
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Posted: 12/2/2021 11:28:08 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just move to a free state. Good looking pistol. This. Israelis have been stepping up their 2011 game. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 11:30:47 PM EDT
[#3]
No price? Or is it one of those if you have to ask, you can’t afford kinda things. |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 11:35:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No price? Or is it one of those if you have to ask, you can’t afford kinda things. I think they were around $1350 |
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Posted: 12/2/2021 11:36:07 PM EDT
[#5]
Holy shit that isn't bad but some of their other guns are fucking hideous
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Posted: 12/2/2021 11:37:04 PM EDT
[#6]
Not gonna bite, but that thing looks awesome…
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Posted: 12/2/2021 11:42:46 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit that isn't bad but some of their other guns are fucking hideous Yeah they need to fire their slide serration cnc programmer |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:02:42 AM EDT
[#8]
It's also cut for optics.
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:09:47 AM EDT
[#9]
I had a BUL M5 .45acp years ago when Rock River Armory sold them. It was a great shooting pistol. Sold it during the Clinton ban for decent money. Got really good money for the mags.
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:10:56 AM EDT
[#10]
Comes in the master handgun cartridge.
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:11:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:13:30 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they were around $1350 I’m a player at that price |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:15:20 AM EDT
[#13]
None on GB I found.
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:21:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None on GB I found. They just came out with this model. Has not hit the USA stores yet. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:25:59 AM EDT
[#15]
Want.
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:33:51 AM EDT
[#16]
"The TAC line is an unparalleled combat platform. Developed and tested in real world conditions by military and law enforcement personnel"
Which militaries and LE agencies issue these things? 
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:37:09 AM EDT
[#17]
Last I recall reading, Bul 2011s won’t accept STI or Para magazines.
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:42:59 AM EDT
[#18]
shot one, want one.
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:47:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "The TAC line is an unparalleled combat platform. Developed and tested in real world conditions by military and law enforcement personnel" Which militaries and LE agencies issue these things? BUL is a well established company in Israel. They export all over the globe and their products have been rebranded by quite a few big names. Their products are also used by the folks in the Israeli military and police forces. BUL has been building the 2011 before the 2011 was named a 2011. Kimber BP Ten line and many others in the 90's come to mind as rebranded/licensed production BUL products. Take a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BUL_Armory |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:48:32 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Last I recall reading, Bul 2011s won’t accept STI or Para magazines. I haven't used a "2011" variant but the models that were brought in under the Charles Daly brand will accept Para mags without any problems. Same thing with the Kimber BP pistols. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 12:57:49 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Last I recall reading, Bul 2011s won't accept STI or Para magazines. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 1:01:43 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BULs use proprietary magazines unfortunately. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Last I recall reading, Bul 2011s won't accept STI or Para magazines. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 1:04:41 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aren't mag problems one of the big complaints with STI anyway? STI, SVI and Atlas seem to have fixed those issues. Untuned MBX magazines can be hit or miss from what I've seen. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 1:07:16 AM EDT
[#24]
That thing screams Oakley sun glasses and flat brim.
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Posted: 12/3/2021 1:08:03 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mag problems are endemic to the 2011. STI, SVI and Atlas seem to have fixed those issues. Untuned MBX magazines can be hit or miss from what I've seen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Aren't mag problems one of the big complaints with STI anyway? STI, SVI and Atlas seem to have fixed those issues. Untuned MBX magazines can be hit or miss from what I've seen. It’s a little unsettling the first time tuning one of those expensive mag tubes on the Dawson mandrel. Carefully measure the feedlip gap with a caliper, the gently bash it into spec with a brass hammer. 
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Posted: 12/3/2021 1:08:51 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BULs use proprietary magazines unfortunately. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Last I recall reading, Bul 2011s won't accept STI or Para magazines. The older ones will accept Para mags after modifying the mag catch opening. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 3:22:52 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't used a "2011" variant but the models that were brought in under the Charles Daly brand will accept Para mags without any problems. Same thing with the Kimber BP pistols. And the Springfield 1911 double stack 45’s imported in early 00’s |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 4:04:34 AM EDT
[#28]
That thing is hottttttt.
Damn. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 6:49:13 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That thing screams Oakley sun glasses and flat brim. Not more so than a Stacatto. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 7:47:06 AM EDT
[#30]
Just wish it did t have those pointless port holes on the slide...
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Posted: 12/3/2021 8:02:34 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wish it did t have those pointless port holes on the slide... Those are weight reduction cuts. Look at the gun's weight. It's only 866 grams. A compatible Staccato P weighs 33 oz - 936 grams. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 8:04:58 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not more so than a Stacatto. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That thing screams Oakley sun glasses and flat brim. Not more so than a Stacatto. That too. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 8:07:15 AM EDT
[#33]
I’d be shocked if they are $1350
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Posted: 12/3/2021 8:09:43 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d be shocked if they are $1350 I'd guess $1800 with the "factory" RMR cut. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 8:10:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Comes in the master handgun cartridge. Link to the 10mm version? |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 8:21:12 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d be shocked if they are $1350 I would not. Look at the price for SAS II UL: https://www.rainierarms.com/869/ |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 8:26:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/3/2021 8:31:58 AM EDT
[#38]
Looks like they are coming for that staccato.
I really love my staccatos, and have ordered a fowler as well as an atlas. Once that bug bites you, its hard to stop. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 8:41:11 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah they need to fire their slide serration cnc programmer Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Holy shit that isn't bad but some of their other guns are fucking hideous Yeah they need to fire their slide serration cnc programmer I may look at BUL again in the spring. I would like to see some 3.9" or shorter versions... m |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 9:05:48 AM EDT
[#40]
I like it. 2011s are better than polymer double stacks. that's science. But not $2k better. I don't shoot staccatos 4x better than M&Ps, even with the better triggers.
I want them and anything that bridges the price gap makes me happy. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 3:15:17 PM EDT
[#41]
Who is the biggest BUL dealer in the USA? As long as they've been around I never see them in person or even for sale.
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Posted: 12/3/2021 3:23:12 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is the biggest BUL dealer in the USA? As long as they've been around I never see them in person or even for sale. X2 Kinda wish more companies would offer 2011s. I keep seeing mags as a reason why the 2011 can kinda suck. Question I have is why hasn’t a 2011 manufacturer just used a proven magazine like a Beretta 92 , CZ75 Hi-power etc… instead of trying to reinvent the wheel? |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 3:36:18 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Link to the 10mm version? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Comes in the master handgun cartridge. Link to the 10mm version? 10mm is best mm. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 3:40:36 PM EDT
[#44]
Ick.
Not even best mm. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 3:54:20 PM EDT
[#45]
$1350 ?
That's almost affordable. ETA: .38 Super or .45 for me. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 3:55:18 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: X2 Kinda wish more companies would offer 2011s. I keep seeing mags as a reason why the 2011 can kinda suck. Question I have is why hasn’t a 2011 manufacturer just used a proven magazine like a Beretta 92 , CZ75 Hi-power etc… instead of trying to reinvent the wheel? That's a hard question to answer and I'm sure it's got a lot of small parts. Dan Wesson is trying to do exactly that with their DWX but have yet to actually release it and it's been a long time. My guess is that the size of the market is the main driver but we are seeing it grow so I hope we get a bunch more cool options. The first double stacks that were popular were the Para and STI/SV. If I remember correctly Para actually sold just the frames as a conversion for your existing gun just like STI sold frames for custom builds. Another issue with the STI/SV is they were all built around 45acp/38 super so 9mm and 40 were shorter. STI used to have spacers in the back of the mag for 9mm and most of the 40 shooters loaded long for that extra reliability. It's easy to criticize them now but they were the ones that got us all here. Designing a new gun from the ground up is probably a lot easier now with technology and modern manufacturing specs. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 4:01:45 PM EDT
[#47]
Damn they make some nice looking stuff
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Posted: 12/3/2021 4:22:09 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is the biggest BUL dealer in the USA? As long as they've been around I never see them in person or even for sale. I know GParms.com has them in stock. Not the new model that I posted about, but the Tac Commander 2011. There are also other models in stock. |
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Posted: 12/3/2021 5:52:48 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: X2 Kinda wish more companies would offer 2011s. I keep seeing mags as a reason why the 2011 can kinda suck. Question I have is why hasn’t a 2011 manufacturer just used a proven magazine like a Beretta 92 , CZ75 Hi-power etc… instead of trying to reinvent the wheel? That's sort of what the Wilson EDC X9 is. IIRC it uses CZ mags with the release notch repositioned or something like that. |
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Posted: 12/4/2021 10:50:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't shoot staccatos 4x better than M&Ps, even with the better triggers. Funny that you mention this. I've shot groups with my CORE PC that are pretty impressive. Not sure I could actually shoot much smaller groups offhand with a 2011 than nickel sized groups at 7 yards anyway? Could most people? It seems to me that the striker fired vs 2011 accuracy isn't quite what it used to be 10 years ago. That said I still want one. But probably a Bul Amory one. |
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