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This is why I make and give these to my hunting and shooting neighbors: My lower field rifle range (I have two rifle ranges): https://i.imgur.com/v8YI8uh.jpg My downhill neighbor's shooting table. And just in case someone is a moron and doesn't get it - this was set up as a gag for my neighbor by his friends and myself - he was out of town that weekend and we wanted to surprise him. The "leaning tower of concrete blocks" should be a dead giveaway. I don't have pics of his final location and setup; last time I was there it was dark. https://i.imgur.com/iJLJLCN.jpg My neighbor to the south concrete shooting table. About a week after I brought it to him, I heard some big bore booms and decided to pay him a visit. He was sighting in his .45 caliber BP rifle at +300 yards. He was very happy with it - both the rifle and the table! https://i.imgur.com/40Ym27m.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dZtcUsf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/zWLchlQ.jpg I have some new neighbors building a house +1/2 mile down the road from me. Come springtime, I'll be making one for them as well. The more neighbors who shoot, the less chance someone will complain about me. View Quote |
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[#5]
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Or build (is there an echo in here?) . . . http://www.fototime.com/B8EEDFBDA1CC6D3/orig.jpg I don't have a Coehorn problem, I can stop any time I want . . . http://www.fototime.com/898F24081AEED06/orig.jpg View Quote |
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[#6]
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I've had the same issue. Deputies have been out 4 times, and had no issues with my range or backstop. One did say that some of their officers are not gun guys, and may be dicks, but that I'm completely legal. View Quote |
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I wish you were my neighbor, I have to drive to a membership based club. Better than public but would be great to walk out the door and get range time.
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Quoted: It's generally a request, but I'm not leaving till you do. That way I can note that I was there, I investigated, and I found nothing wrong. That way when Ms. Moved out to the country for peace and quiet calls again, the call notes will reflect that we've been there before and found nothing wrong. Then the dispatchers can tell them that there is nothing illegal going on and save me from having to go there again and waste more of my time, your time and our time. View Quote “Not leaving till you do” Enjoy your overnighter in my driveway. |
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[#12]
you should get a real cannon. fire it every morning and every night and then play colors.
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Half the time, if the LE agency, or supervisor had the brains to triage calls, most of these calls to 911 about shooting neighbors would result in a phone call to the reporting person. Our dispatch claims they are required to set up a call for anything that someone calls in about...but they work for the LE agency, not the other way around. Any agency that responds to a call that they know does not need service is wasting their employees time, wasting gas, and missing handling other incidents.
Our dispatch tries to send multiple cops to our calls like this, which is ok if inside town, but not needed if rural. I typically direct the person to be called to discuss why they are calling us- so hopefully they do not call in the future. But it seems like I am fighting the tide as nobody else seems to triage these calls as much as I do. These callers are sometimes the equivelant of the "there is a black guy walking thru our neighborhood" callers. ie- so what? We wouldn't respond on that type of call ( although I was dispatched many yearsmago one that exact call- I cancelled it out and said we were not responding.) For some reason, when it comes to guns, every idiot thinks something is illegal. People walking there dogs in hunting areas call in shots during duck season, people call about their neighbors, people call because they know it is legal, but they don't think it should be, etc etc. I once advised a lady that if she called in ever again about the shooting club range noise (that she moved near to) that I would arrest her for misusing 911, as it was totally legal. She was just an anti gun weirdo who wanted to harass the trap shooters. Now I have responded on plenty of stupid shooters as well....one dumbass shooting out a car window that I tracked down, morons shooting in the air in town, and one time a guy using a tiny little dirt berm, which had a county road 10 feet behind it (that was NOT OK in my analysis!). Also some people think that just shooting at the ground, without a real backstop is OK, but that is how you ricochet rounds off the ground and into the neighbor's house... Most of the time, people need to mind their own damn business. Move back downtown or where ever you came from. My advice- if LE are called on you for shooting, be helpful, show them your backstop if requested, and then request they write an informational report or location CAD notation saying that any future calls about "shots heard in the area"'can be disregarded. Also request that they notify the caller to not call again about it. After that- if the neighbor keeps calling- and LE show up each time, write a letter to the LE agency directing them to cease contacting you for legal activities, as it is essentially harassment/discouragement at that point. I would also notify the troublemaker to stop calling in about legal activities as that is also harassing in nature, and once they know it is legal there should be civil suit possibilities if they continue. Some of these neighbors like to "cop shop" when they do not get the answer they like, so documenting that they were notified is important. But ultimately- shooting is inherently legal in many areas. These calls are the equivelant of calling up saying your neighbor is driving up your street, at the speed limit. So LE agencies need to be trained to ask what is different/hazardous/whatever about the situation before they bother to respond. Just my two cents. I shoot on my property some with pistols and suppressed rifles, but try to be cognizant of the neighbors. I also se the other side with the LE response and try to educate the callers, and if needed, the shooters as well. But most of my coworkers don't seem to care as much so they don't have the calls handled the same way nearly as often as I do. |
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This is why obnoxious city people need to stay in their precious cities. They move to the country and expect literally everyone around them to comply with the directives they set forth in their high pitched nasal whine.
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[#18]
I went thru this due to my f/a toys on my private range. Neighbor was upset, deputy couldn't do a thing about it.
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[#19]
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This. Sooner or later, the SO will tell your neighbor that what you are doing is legal and not send a deputy out anymore. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just keep doing what you are doing. He will get tired of calling LE, and they will get tired of him calling them. It will work itself out. Sooner or later, the SO will tell your neighbor that what you are doing is legal and not send a deputy out anymore. And they will still vote democrat. If you placate them or try to be nice. they will still vote democrat and still want to put you in a camp or have a .gov thug kill you. |
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Originally Posted By hkx3:
How do you guys handle this? I have 4 neighbors within a half mile. All but one shoots all the time. Whats expected of this in the future? Land is out in the county as much as it can be. View Quote Help them maintain a critical skillset while building a solid rapport with local law enforcement. Get to know the individuals. Not the department. |
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I don’t think my neighbors care to much about shooting.
When Clemson won I somehow though setting off a couple lbs of tannerite was a good idea, you know at about midnight . That I don’t think they liked and I probally shouldn’t have done it. |
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[#27]
Tell the whiner to move back to NY to feel safe lol....
Fucking liberals.....fuck em |
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[#28]
I've only ever had that happen once. Neighbor called them and insisted that we were shooting into the air and the bullets were coming down on top of his roof
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Quoted: This. Sooner or later, the SO will tell your neighbor that what you are doing is legal and not send a deputy out anymore. View Quote It's more likely the neighbor starts calling in with more serious (and impossible to prove as lies) complaints if the cops tell them they aren't going out anymore. |
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I would let you sit there for months. View Quote |
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[#32]
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In reality, I already drove / walked back to your range to check the sound of gunfire, I don't need permission to do that either. If I get a complaint of unsafe shooting, I can in fact investigate whether or not there is unsafe shooting. Driving onto your property is not the same as entering a building. The game warden of course can check for poaching without warrant any time. I already posted the applicable sections of law. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would let you sit there for months. |
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[#33]
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"Shooting a cannon, and a full auto" S.O. sent out a deputy, and he pulled about 400 feet back into the property on my drive. I am shooting suppressed when I hear the blips from his siren. I hop in the SxS and head up there, sure enough there is the cruiser. Tells me the neighbor (points) has complained that I am shooting a full auto, and some type of cannon. Yes. Yes I am. I point to a 8" barreled FAL and other toys in the SxS He laughs and says yeah thats probably it. Tells me if it was his property, he would keep right on having fun. I am done for the day anyway. He asks if my range is safe, I show him, all is well. How do you guys handle this? I have 4 neighbors within a half mile. All but one shoots all the time. Whats expected of this in the future? Land is out in the county as much as it can be. View Quote i may know a guy getting rid of 10000 308 blanks cheap. |
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[#34]
Having been on the deputie's end of this before, try to at least be a little respectful of your neighbors. It's bullshit nonsense and you are within your right, but if you annoy all your neighbors regularly, the township/town/etc will manufacture a way to fuck you. If enough people complain to the local elected officials they will pull some sort of nonsense like re-survey the land and "find out" that it's not yours. Plus there's no reason to be a dick just to be a dick to non-problem neighbors.
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Quoted: Good luck finding a foundry to make a 27000 pound cannon barrel, although I imagine the Watervliet Arsenal probably still has the capability. Insert the I should buy cat meme. View Quote |
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Quoted: You and your “don’t need permission badge” seem particularly...ambitious, when it comes to making sure gun owners are walking the line while out shooting. View Quote This has all been explained previously in the thread, but it seems with each bump a new group of paranoids joins in. |
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[#38]
I would say that you need to purchase a real cannon at this point
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[#40]
Quoted: You seem overly defensive. Why create so much drama for a mundane call that the officer is required to go to. Why not let him just come, see, leave as is usually the case. Perhaps you can ask Safe1 about his two different neighbors lobbing rounds into his back yard and front door? See, country cops really don't care that you are shooting, or what you are shooting, we simply want to know that you are not putting others at risk while you are shooting. This has all been explained previously in the thread, but it seems with each bump a new group of paranoids joins in. View Quote Here’s the facts that rub some people raw: if the homeowner doesn’t “voluntarily” let you inspect his range in a safety fishing expedition that’s unrelated to the noise complaint you’ll just rat the guy out to someone that isn’t bothered by the fourth amendment. Do you see why some people don’t see what you are saying as doing them a favor? |
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[#42]
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If you have nothing to hide..... Here’s the facts that rub some people raw: if the homeowner doesn’t “voluntarily” let you inspect his range in a safety fishing expedition that’s unrelated to the noise complaint you’ll just rat the guy out to someone that isn’t bothered by the fourth amendment. Do you see why some people don’t see what you are saying as doing them a favor? View Quote |
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[#43]
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Do you happen to have plans laying around for those table? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This is why I make and give these to my hunting and shooting neighbors: My lower field rifle range (I have two rifle ranges): https://i.imgur.com/v8YI8uh.jpg My downhill neighbor's shooting table. And just in case someone is a moron and doesn't get it - this was set up as a gag for my neighbor by his friends and myself - he was out of town that weekend and we wanted to surprise him. The "leaning tower of concrete blocks" should be a dead giveaway. I don't have pics of his final location and setup; last time I was there it was dark. https://i.imgur.com/iJLJLCN.jpg My neighbor to the south concrete shooting table. About a week after I brought it to him, I heard some big bore booms and decided to pay him a visit. He was sighting in his .45 caliber BP rifle at +300 yards. He was very happy with it - both the rifle and the table! https://i.imgur.com/40Ym27m.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dZtcUsf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/zWLchlQ.jpg I have some new neighbors building a house +1/2 mile down the road from me. Come springtime, I'll be making one for them as well. The more neighbors who shoot, the less chance someone will complain about me. Here's the latest Mk II build thread I did on my neighbor to the south's table, it's in the archives. The previous build threads are in the archives as well: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Third-Mk-II-concrete-shooting-table-is-up-and-running/75-2141177/ And my first Mk I table thread is still active in the Precision Rifles General subforum: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Precision-Rifles/My-shooting-bench-project-in-pictures/17-551/ Enjoy! |
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I will relate an event that happened at one of our shoots. Many here may recall Bulletfest. Campybob would sometimes put on a minifest for the locals some time later in the year. We would hold this at the BF secondary location for those who are familiar. One year, a neighbor was upset by the large volume of full auto fire. He called the cops and ATF out of Youngstown. They came out to investigate as they are required to do when someone calls. The Deputy held back at the road, two ATF guys with M-16A1s walked back to the firing line. They identified themselves, determined that nothing was wrong, were invited to stay, shoot with us, have some lunch. They declined and left because they had been called in on a Saturday and had other things to do. All in all, 15 minutes of time plus their two hours of getting called, getting their stuff together and driving out to Blacks, all to check a couple of stamps and determine nothing was wrong. No one gave them a hard time and everyone realized they were just doing their jobs.
Now, had people gotten shitty with them, I suppose they could have taken a few hours to inspect everything. As it turned out, everyone was easy going with them and no one gave off the creepy vibe. I'm sure they got calls about subsequent events, but never saw any need to return. Why create problems where none are needed. |
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I will relate an event that happened at one of our shoots. Many here may recall Bulletfest. Campybob would sometimes put on a minifest for the locals some time later in the year. We would hold this at the BF secondary location for those who are familiar. One year, a neighbor was upset by the large volume of full auto fire. He called the cops and ATF out of Youngstown. They came out to investigate as they are required to do when someone calls. The Deputy held back at the road, two ATF guys with M-16A1s walked back to the firing line. They identified themselves, determined that nothing was wrong, were invited to stay, shoot with us, have some lunch. They declined and left because they had been called in on a Saturday and had other things to do. All in all, 15 minutes of time plus their two hours of getting called, getting their stuff together and driving out to Blacks, all to check a couple of stamps and determine nothing was wrong. No one gave them a hard time and everyone realized they were just doing their jobs. Now, had people gotten shitty with them, I suppose they could have taken a few hours to inspect everything. As it turned out, everyone was easy going with them and no one gave off the creepy vibe. I'm sure they got calls about subsequent events, but never saw any need to return. Why create problems where none are needed. View Quote |
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[#46]
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How does the 4th ammendment apply to outdoor spaces? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If you have nothing to hide..... Here’s the facts that rub some people raw: if the homeowner doesn’t “voluntarily” let you inspect his range in a safety fishing expedition that’s unrelated to the noise complaint you’ll just rat the guy out to someone that isn’t bothered by the fourth amendment. Do you see why some people don’t see what you are saying as doing them a favor? |
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[#47]
Quoted: That outdoor space is mine and as a responsible gun owner/shooter I don’t need deputy dolittle snooping around uninvited to give my range his pass/fail opinion. I’m not being defensive, I just find it odd how cavalier you are about trespassing under the guise of protecting and serving. View Quote |
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I think you should look up the legal ( not your personal ) definition of Trespassing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: That outdoor space is mine and as a responsible gun owner/shooter I don’t need deputy dolittle snooping around uninvited to give my range his pass/fail opinion. I’m not being defensive, I just find it odd how cavalier you are about trespassing under the guise of protecting and serving. |
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I will relate an event that happened at one of our shoots. Many here may recall Bulletfest. Campybob would sometimes put on a minifest for the locals some time later in the year. We would hold this at the BF secondary location for those who are familiar. One year, a neighbor was upset by the large volume of full auto fire. He called the cops and ATF out of Youngstown. They came out to investigate as they are required to do when someone calls. The Deputy held back at the road, two ATF guys with M-16A1s walked back to the firing line. They identified themselves, determined that nothing was wrong, were invited to stay, shoot with us, have some lunch. They declined and left because they had been called in on a Saturday and had other things to do. All in all, 15 minutes of time plus their two hours of getting called, getting their stuff together and driving out to Blacks, all to check a couple of stamps and determine nothing was wrong. No one gave them a hard time and everyone realized they were just doing their jobs. Now, had people gotten shitty with them, I suppose they could have taken a few hours to inspect everything. As it turned out, everyone was easy going with them and no one gave off the creepy vibe. I'm sure they got calls about subsequent events, but never saw any need to return. Why create problems where none are needed. View Quote |
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