User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 9:39:32 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question. If someone uses a weapon professionally or if their life depends on it, I can understand taking a "no cost is too great to pay" approach for reliability and quality. But why the hate for inexpensive optics that are pretty damn reliable? Not everyone needs an aimpoint, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce, etc. From high end guys that have been downrange and used NF and S&B in ridiculous conditions, they probably believe that leads expensive optics will not perform as well. For civvies that drop 2-3k on a scope, they refuse to accept that they overpaid to LARP. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 9:40:15 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, according to this thread...it doesn't matter which, but one of my HD carbines will surely be the death of me because they are only equipped with PA prismatics or EoTechs.  GD never disappoints. Nobody said that. What I said was that an Aimpoint is a far more durable combat optic than anything from China, and that it doesn't cost much more. As far as Eotech I have no experience with them, but the zero shift reports, and the company covering it up doesn't inspire much confidence in me. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 9:41:05 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can understand not wanting to buy Chinese made optics. I do not understand those who Chinese made optics are junk simply because they are made in China despite tons of evidence to the contrary. "Your ______ optic will fail with absolute certainty because it was made in China but you _______ optic will never fail because it was made in Sweden" I have seen Aimpoints fail and have certainly seen lot's of EOtech fail. I have also seen Chinese (PA, Vortex, Sig) work just fine for years and years and seen some intense torture test videos of those optics with them holding up great. Again, nobody said that. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:28:52 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo. I'm still rocking my M2L I bought used like 15years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because an Aimpoint PRO is a great optic and isn't much more than a Primary Arms. Guys spend $350 or more on garbage when they could have bought something like an older EOTech or Comp M2. Nobody is saying everyone needs a $2,000 optic. Bingo. I'm still rocking my M2L I bought used like 15years ago. #meetoo! |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:29:06 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, nobody said that. A lot of times, guys like that are not "gear queers". They simply know what works based on experience and what comes through classes. I took his comments about the PA optic to mean that it's an unknown variable to him and that there are optics he would have more confidence in based on experience. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:33:53 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The AR's charging handle should, in my opinion, only be used for admin loading and malfunction clearance. Using the charging handle to reload on bolt lock is stupid for multiple reasons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some folks like to keep the manipulations as close to possible system to system. Think pistol/rifle tap & rack... The AR's charging handle should, in my opinion, only be used for admin loading and malfunction clearance. Using the charging handle to reload on bolt lock is stupid for multiple reasons.  Attached FileLefty. After doing a mag change I just roll the rifle to the opposite side and slap the handle with my palm. Badger ordnance paddle handle/ tac latch. It's faster for me. Yes, I have a Norgon. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 11:10:09 AM EDT
[#7]
Cool.
What sling attachment was he griping about? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 11:56:13 AM EDT
[#8]
I bet Mr. Navy Seal would love my sling attachment point
  Attached FileEdit : Apparently I need to figure out how to use Imgur...image was broken but link works if I put it into a browser |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 12:12:20 PM EDT
[#9]
I guess the military toughness of the HoloSun 403A(discontinued) I use on my bedside HD rifle is inferior too, considering they make the RD's for Primary Arms. Or at least that's the word I heard many years ago when I got the HoloSun.
I also have mounted a Insight M3 light. I'd probably really get razzed because of the 2 or single point Chinese sling I use by the adjustability it has, but I don't care. It works for me. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 12:23:49 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He sure did tiptoe around saying your optic is a cheap Chinese piece of shit The poors will be triggered. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 12:24:54 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7-0DBxcRa8A few weeks ago, after taking a Trident Concepts Rifle class, Andrew asked Jeff Gonzales to give him some feedback on his HD rifle. Hosted by @chopinbloc @JeffGonzales Edited by @Stylz Sponsored by TNVC: https://tnvc.com/ Sponsored by Winchester Ammunition: https://winchester.com Train with Trident Concepts: https://www.tridentconcepts.com/ Check out ARFCOM's Teespring Store: https://teespring.com/stores/arfcom Follow ARFCOM! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ar15com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ar15com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ar15com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ar15com/ Good video. Of note STOMPS FOOT on a barrel less than 14” long, YOU REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY ought to have a suppressor because the shock waves coming out of that muzzle are something else indoors. It’s almost like there are 2 or 3 dudes on this forum who have actually shot lots of guns indoors lots of times and know a couple things... |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 1:03:13 PM EDT
[#12]
A short barreled 556 inside an enclosed space is teeth rattling
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 2:09:09 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A short barreled 556 inside an enclosed space is teeth rattling |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 2:34:22 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The poors will be triggered. They've been triggered for four pages so far. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 2:35:55 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: NX8 isn't heavy. It's not cheap though. 17oz + 8oz QD mount not heavy? Compared to a TA44 or 1-2X PA prism it is. I owned a Steiner P4Xi which is about the same weight. LPVO has invaluable uses but they definitely add weight. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 3:51:15 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 17oz + 8oz QD mount not heavy? Compared to a TA44 or 1-2X PA prism it is. I owned a Steiner P4Xi which is about the same weight. LPVO has invaluable uses but they definitely add weight. QD mount is gross. Those other ones are lighter. But the NX8 is not heavy for what you get. I'm not a fan of TA44. I sold mine after I used it a few times at night. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 4:11:07 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They've been triggered for four pages so far. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The poors will be triggered. They've been triggered for four pages so far. Seems more like the LARPers are here to continue their quest to justify spending large amounts of their money on gear they will never put to serious use. But that's okay...it's a free country! |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 4:25:29 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A short barreled 556 inside an enclosed space is teeth rattling Any barrel length in an enclosed space is. Had an RDB 5.56 with 16” for awhile and used it indoors. For a while I had my own neat little shooting range with a couple of old doublewides and minivan on it. Was shooting towards targets from inside through a back door and back window keeping the muzzle inside and even with earpro it was jarring. The percussion and sound waves bouncing back at you and then throughout the structure’s walls will get your attention. ETA: It’s not even like shooting at a regular indoor range. At those, the backstop is far enough where there’s some distance for the waves to dissipate a bit. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 7:26:28 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems more like the LARPers are here to continue their quest to justify spending large amounts of their money on gear they will never put to serious use. But that's okay...it's a free country! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The poors will be triggered. They've been triggered for four pages so far. Seems more like the LARPers are here to continue their quest to justify spending large amounts of their money on gear they will never put to serious use. But that's okay...it's a free country! You sound upset. Why are you upset at how others spend their hard earned money on things that you obviously don't approve of? I've got a course this coming summer at Gunsite that's 1,200 rounds for one week. There's gear that they strongly recommend to be worn or brought. Were they wrong to suggest for us to have things to "larp" in? As for spending money, I could run with a cheap milspec make do with a harsh trigger pull & reset, or have the benefits of an SSA. I can easily justify the SSA cost. Then there's the fact that with Aimpoints I can actually see the dot and not a blob from the closest micro Chinesium clone from Vortex or Holosun. That too makes it easy to justify the higher cost. Then there's the added benefit of actually for once being able to support friendlier nations that are not hostile like China, or made here and keeping an American employed. But you are right on one thing though: It is a free country to a certain extent. God forbid people should actually act up on that and buy what you don't approve of, right? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 7:32:02 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its more about not buying things made in a country actively trying to destroy our own country Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/5205/Scale_Adjusted_Actual_Image_seen_TA45_an-1382011.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/5205/TA_PA_AP_200_Yrd_Daylight-1387959.jpg The PA GLx 2x prism is tits. If it is as robust as the ACOG, it wins. no more aimpoints for me. Etched reticles only But the army doesn't use it so it must be unreliable. Like you, I don't get the aimpoint love. It is a robust red dot, but not $800 worth of dot and if it goes down, you are looking into clear space. If I don't have an etched reticle, I definitely want BUIS. Its more about not buying things made in a country actively trying to destroy our own country Definitely a lot of people in America actively trying to destroy America. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 7:36:29 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody said that. What I said was that an Aimpoint is a far more durable combat optic than anything from China, and that it doesn't cost much more. As far as Eotech I have no experience with them, but the zero shift reports, and the company covering it up doesn't inspire much confidence in me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, according to this thread...it doesn't matter which, but one of my HD carbines will surely be the death of me because they are only equipped with PA prismatics or EoTechs. GD never disappoints. Nobody said that. What I said was that an Aimpoint is a far more durable combat optic than anything from China, and that it doesn't cost much more. As far as Eotech I have no experience with them, but the zero shift reports, and the company covering it up doesn't inspire much confidence in me. I don't know, seems like my 509T is better than the ACRO I had. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 7:42:17 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You sound upset. Why are you upset at how others spend their hard earned money on things that you obviously don't approve of? I've got a course this coming summer at Gunsite that's 1,200 rounds for one week. There's gear that they strongly recommend to be worn or brought. Were they wrong to suggest for us to have things to "larp" in? As for spending money, I could run with a cheap milspec make do with a harsh trigger pull & reset, or have the benefits of an SSA. I can easily justify the SSA cost. Then there's the fact that with Aimpoints I can actually see the dot and not a blob from the closest micro Chinesium clone from Vortex or Holosun. That too makes it easy to justify the higher cost. Then there's the added benefit of actually for once being able to support friendlier nations that are not hostile like China, or made here and keeping an American employed. But you are right on one thing though: It is a free country to a certain extent. God forbid people should actually act up on that and buy what you don't approve of, right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The poors will be triggered. They've been triggered for four pages so far. Seems more like the LARPers are here to continue their quest to justify spending large amounts of their money on gear they will never put to serious use. But that's okay...it's a free country! You sound upset. Why are you upset at how others spend their hard earned money on things that you obviously don't approve of? I've got a course this coming summer at Gunsite that's 1,200 rounds for one week. There's gear that they strongly recommend to be worn or brought. Were they wrong to suggest for us to have things to "larp" in? As for spending money, I could run with a cheap milspec make do with a harsh trigger pull & reset, or have the benefits of an SSA. I can easily justify the SSA cost. Then there's the fact that with Aimpoints I can actually see the dot and not a blob from the closest micro Chinesium clone from Vortex or Holosun. That too makes it easy to justify the higher cost. Then there's the added benefit of actually for once being able to support friendlier nations that are not hostile like China, or made here and keeping an American employed. But you are right on one thing though: It is a free country to a certain extent. God forbid people should actually act up on that and buy what you don't approve of, right? I think we've found the one who's actually triggered. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 9:20:37 PM EDT
[#23]
What surprises me is how many people think they must have an optic on a home defense rifle to shoot something less than 20 feet away.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 9:42:14 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What surprises me is how many people think they must have an optic on a home defense rifle to shoot something less than 20 feet away. It sure helps under stress. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:07:07 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It sure helps under stress. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What surprises me is how many people think they must have an optic on a home defense rifle to shoot something less than 20 feet away. It sure helps under stress. Not for me. I shot for many years before I had an optic of any kind on anything. I grew up shooting with irons as well as point shooting extensively. Shooting "over the sites" is very accurate and very fast for me. At home defense distances, put the front site on the target, bang, simple. The last thing I want to do under stress is try to look through any kind of tube. These days I guess there are many younger shooters that literally started shooting with optics on everything, even handguns. I guess it's just an entirely different mindset. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:12:37 PM EDT
[#26]
I think the Seal made a very good assessment. I'm curious about the 40 round mag comment though and would disagree there. Forties are cool but in my opinion would be a disadvantage in most defensive situations. I wish he would have specified what problems the forties solve and why he advocates them.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:12:54 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not for me. I shot for many years before I had an optic of any kind on anything. I grew up shooting with irons as well as point shooting extensively. Shooting "over the sites" is very accurate and very fast for me. At home defense distances, put the front site on the target, bang, simple. The last thing I want to do under stress is try to look through any kind of tube. These days I guess there are many younger shooters that literally started shooting with optics on everything, even handguns. I guess it's just an entirely different mindset. You don't have to look through the tube. You just put the dot infront of your eye. Your brain will overlap it into your field of view. Yes technology advances. The future is now. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 10:33:41 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't have to look through the tube. You just put the dot infront of your eye. Your brain will overlap it into your field of view. Yes technology advances. The future is now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not for me. I shot for many years before I had an optic of any kind on anything. I grew up shooting with irons as well as point shooting extensively. Shooting "over the sites" is very accurate and very fast for me. At home defense distances, put the front site on the target, bang, simple. The last thing I want to do under stress is try to look through any kind of tube. These days I guess there are many younger shooters that literally started shooting with optics on everything, even handguns. I guess it's just an entirely different mindset. You don't have to look through the tube. You just put the dot infront of your eye. Your brain will overlap it into your field of view. Yes technology advances. The future is now. This reminds of something I noticed a short time ago while removing a scope. It was a 1” tube and was in an Aero scope mount. The rings on the mount seemed to align perfectly with my HK style fixed front sight. I am sorely tempted to mount it up on another upper in the same manner and check it out next time I have some time for a range trip. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 11:02:48 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This reminds of something I noticed a short time ago while removing a scope. It was a 1” tube and was in an Aero scope mount. The rings on the mount seemed to align perfectly with my HK style fixed front sight. I am sorely tempted to mount it up on another upper in the same manner and check it out next time I have some time for a range trip. Probably work with HK sights. I hate HK sights. Their triggers and saftey are also trash. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/24/2021 11:31:24 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we've found the one who's actually triggered. Swing and a miss. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 12:43:00 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't have to look through the tube. You just put the dot infront of your eye. Your brain will overlap it into your field of view. Yes technology advances. The future is now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not for me. I shot for many years before I had an optic of any kind on anything. I grew up shooting with irons as well as point shooting extensively. Shooting "over the sites" is very accurate and very fast for me. At home defense distances, put the front site on the target, bang, simple. The last thing I want to do under stress is try to look through any kind of tube. These days I guess there are many younger shooters that literally started shooting with optics on everything, even handguns. I guess it's just an entirely different mindset. You don't have to look through the tube. You just put the dot infront of your eye. Your brain will overlap it into your field of view. Yes technology advances. The future is now. Yes, I can shoot with them but I still prefer just open iron sights on a home defense type long gun. I disagree that you are not looking through a tube, you certainly are. While your brain is what makes the dot appear on the target it's actually doing that because your dominate eye IS looking through the tube and your other eye is not. This can be done even with an 4x ACOG but it's a little harder than a dot sight. The Bindon concept is the same and the reality is you are looking through a tube with one eye otherwise you would not see the dot or the chevron or whatever. I'm not saying don't use dot sights, I'm just saying irons at close range are tough to beat if you have lots of time on them. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 12:52:10 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Swing and a miss. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think we've found the one who's actually triggered. Swing and a miss. lol. Sure thing, buddy. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 1:22:26 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, I can shoot with them but I still prefer just open iron sights on a home defense type long gun. I disagree that you are not looking through a tube, you certainly are. While your brain is what makes the dot appear on the target it's actually doing that because your dominate eye IS looking through the tube and your other eye is not. This can be done even with an 4x ACOG but it's a little harder than a dot sight. The Bindon concept is the same and the reality is you are looking through a tube with one eye otherwise you would not see the dot or the chevron or whatever. I'm not saying don't use dot sights, I'm just saying irons at close range are tough to beat if you have lots of time on them. If you practice you can look around the tube as well as through it. I posted my ACOG setup. The 3 power is easy to look around. I have it really far forward. You can see the chevron and your surroundings. It's a lot harder with the 4x because of it's short eye relief. The RMR ontop you don't even see the housing with practice. Especially under night vision. I can point shoot and use irons. But under pressure or moving it's way easier to use the dot. Just takes some practice. Even more on a pistol. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 2:06:29 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you practice you can look around the tube as well as through it. I posted my ACOG setup. The 3 power is easy to look around. I have it really far forward. You can see the chevron and your surroundings. It's a lot harder with the 4x because of it's short eye relief. The RMR ontop you don't even see the housing with practice. Especially under night vision. I can point shoot and use irons. But under pressure or moving it's way easier to use the dot. Just takes some practice. Even more on a pistol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes, I can shoot with them but I still prefer just open iron sights on a home defense type long gun. I disagree that you are not looking through a tube, you certainly are. While your brain is what makes the dot appear on the target it's actually doing that because your dominate eye IS looking through the tube and your other eye is not. This can be done even with an 4x ACOG but it's a little harder than a dot sight. The Bindon concept is the same and the reality is you are looking through a tube with one eye otherwise you would not see the dot or the chevron or whatever. I'm not saying don't use dot sights, I'm just saying irons at close range are tough to beat if you have lots of time on them. If you practice you can look around the tube as well as through it. I posted my ACOG setup. The 3 power is easy to look around. I have it really far forward. You can see the chevron and your surroundings. It's a lot harder with the 4x because of it's short eye relief. The RMR ontop you don't even see the housing with practice. Especially under night vision. I can point shoot and use irons. But under pressure or moving it's way easier to use the dot. Just takes some practice. Even more on a pistol. Any idea what the SEAL guy meant by 40 rounders solving some problems? In a home defense situation I think a 40 would have way more down sides than pluses. I've tried all kinds of stuff but in the end it's the first 10 maybe 15 rounds at most that are going to matter and any more is just adding weight and reducing speed so it's likely even a 20 rounder will solve any home defense shooting problem. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 2:14:28 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any idea what the SEAL guy meant by 40 rounders solving some problems? In a home defense situation I think a 40 would have way more down sides than pluses. I've tried all kinds of stuff but in the end it's the first 10 maybe 15 rounds at most that are going to matter and any more is just adding weight and reducing speed so it's likely even a 20 rounder will solve any home defense shooting problem. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes, I can shoot with them but I still prefer just open iron sights on a home defense type long gun. I disagree that you are not looking through a tube, you certainly are. While your brain is what makes the dot appear on the target it's actually doing that because your dominate eye IS looking through the tube and your other eye is not. This can be done even with an 4x ACOG but it's a little harder than a dot sight. The Bindon concept is the same and the reality is you are looking through a tube with one eye otherwise you would not see the dot or the chevron or whatever. I'm not saying don't use dot sights, I'm just saying irons at close range are tough to beat if you have lots of time on them. If you practice you can look around the tube as well as through it. I posted my ACOG setup. The 3 power is easy to look around. I have it really far forward. You can see the chevron and your surroundings. It's a lot harder with the 4x because of it's short eye relief. The RMR ontop you don't even see the housing with practice. Especially under night vision. I can point shoot and use irons. But under pressure or moving it's way easier to use the dot. Just takes some practice. Even more on a pistol. Any idea what the SEAL guy meant by 40 rounders solving some problems? In a home defense situation I think a 40 would have way more down sides than pluses. I've tried all kinds of stuff but in the end it's the first 10 maybe 15 rounds at most that are going to matter and any more is just adding weight and reducing speed so it's likely even a 20 rounder will solve any home defense shooting problem. The speed difference is going to be negligible given the position of the weight. You're ostensibly not going prone in a home defense scenario. What are all these downsides, exactly? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 3:38:35 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The speed difference is going to be negligible given the position of the weight. You're ostensibly not going prone in a home defense scenario. What are all these downsides, exactly? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes, I can shoot with them but I still prefer just open iron sights on a home defense type long gun. I disagree that you are not looking through a tube, you certainly are. While your brain is what makes the dot appear on the target it's actually doing that because your dominate eye IS looking through the tube and your other eye is not. This can be done even with an 4x ACOG but it's a little harder than a dot sight. The Bindon concept is the same and the reality is you are looking through a tube with one eye otherwise you would not see the dot or the chevron or whatever. I'm not saying don't use dot sights, I'm just saying irons at close range are tough to beat if you have lots of time on them. If you practice you can look around the tube as well as through it. I posted my ACOG setup. The 3 power is easy to look around. I have it really far forward. You can see the chevron and your surroundings. It's a lot harder with the 4x because of it's short eye relief. The RMR ontop you don't even see the housing with practice. Especially under night vision. I can point shoot and use irons. But under pressure or moving it's way easier to use the dot. Just takes some practice. Even more on a pistol. Any idea what the SEAL guy meant by 40 rounders solving some problems? In a home defense situation I think a 40 would have way more down sides than pluses. I've tried all kinds of stuff but in the end it's the first 10 maybe 15 rounds at most that are going to matter and any more is just adding weight and reducing speed so it's likely even a 20 rounder will solve any home defense shooting problem. The speed difference is going to be negligible given the position of the weight. You're ostensibly not going prone in a home defense scenario. What are all these downsides, exactly? Maneuverability is hindered plus the weight slows the gun down. Less weight translates into faster movement. 30 round mags are standard because they are the best compromise between capacity, size and weight. Let's put this in my original questions perspective. What are the advantages of a 40 round mag over a 30 in a home defense situation? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 4:35:38 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maneuverability is hindered plus the weight slows the gun down. Less weight translates into faster movement. 30 round mags are standard because they are the best compromise between capacity, size and weight. Let's put this in my original questions perspective. What are the advantages of a 40 round mag over a 30 in a home defense situation? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes, I can shoot with them but I still prefer just open iron sights on a home defense type long gun. I disagree that you are not looking through a tube, you certainly are. While your brain is what makes the dot appear on the target it's actually doing that because your dominate eye IS looking through the tube and your other eye is not. This can be done even with an 4x ACOG but it's a little harder than a dot sight. The Bindon concept is the same and the reality is you are looking through a tube with one eye otherwise you would not see the dot or the chevron or whatever. I'm not saying don't use dot sights, I'm just saying irons at close range are tough to beat if you have lots of time on them. If you practice you can look around the tube as well as through it. I posted my ACOG setup. The 3 power is easy to look around. I have it really far forward. You can see the chevron and your surroundings. It's a lot harder with the 4x because of it's short eye relief. The RMR ontop you don't even see the housing with practice. Especially under night vision. I can point shoot and use irons. But under pressure or moving it's way easier to use the dot. Just takes some practice. Even more on a pistol. Any idea what the SEAL guy meant by 40 rounders solving some problems? In a home defense situation I think a 40 would have way more down sides than pluses. I've tried all kinds of stuff but in the end it's the first 10 maybe 15 rounds at most that are going to matter and any more is just adding weight and reducing speed so it's likely even a 20 rounder will solve any home defense shooting problem. The speed difference is going to be negligible given the position of the weight. You're ostensibly not going prone in a home defense scenario. What are all these downsides, exactly? Maneuverability is hindered plus the weight slows the gun down. Less weight translates into faster movement. 30 round mags are standard because they are the best compromise between capacity, size and weight. Let's put this in my original questions perspective. What are the advantages of a 40 round mag over a 30 in a home defense situation? 10 more rounds without needing a spare magazine. It's a lot easier to have 40 rounds in the gun ready to go versus carrying a spare on you. The weight of 10 additional rounds at the center of gravity for the rifle (should be) is going to have a negligible impact on the rifle's handling. The military has concern for going prone -- you don't in a home defense situation. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 5:13:24 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Efforts and expenses toward HD were wasted....little did he know the killer had already silently invaded. All the shooting classes in the world failed to prepare him for the beetus.  Poor physical fitness is an absolute killer. Once you get winded and your heart is pumping, your aim is not steady at all. That’s especially true with handguns, you can watch the sight move up and down with your pulse. Plus, just moving, kneeling, amd going prone is slower and takes a toll. The worst thing is losing your pants. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 5:51:02 AM EDT
[#39]
I totally felt like this video was a drink more ovaltine moment. Time wasted because someone is upset Primary Arms is cutting into their market share. Didn't laugh once, was this a roast? Aren't roast suppose to be funny, harsh, and obnoxiously critical?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 6:24:50 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we've found the one who's actually triggered. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The poors will be triggered. They've been triggered for four pages so far. Seems more like the LARPers are here to continue their quest to justify spending large amounts of their money on gear they will never put to serious use. But that's okay...it's a free country! You sound upset. Why are you upset at how others spend their hard earned money on things that you obviously don't approve of? I've got a course this coming summer at Gunsite that's 1,200 rounds for one week. There's gear that they strongly recommend to be worn or brought. Were they wrong to suggest for us to have things to "larp" in? As for spending money, I could run with a cheap milspec make do with a harsh trigger pull & reset, or have the benefits of an SSA. I can easily justify the SSA cost. Then there's the fact that with Aimpoints I can actually see the dot and not a blob from the closest micro Chinesium clone from Vortex or Holosun. That too makes it easy to justify the higher cost. Then there's the added benefit of actually for once being able to support friendlier nations that are not hostile like China, or made here and keeping an American employed. But you are right on one thing though: It is a free country to a certain extent. God forbid people should actually act up on that and buy what you don't approve of, right? I think we've found the one who's actually triggered. Most definitely. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 8:05:42 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any idea what the SEAL guy meant by 40 rounders solving some problems? In a home defense situation I think a 40 would have way more down sides than pluses. I've tried all kinds of stuff but in the end it's the first 10 maybe 15 rounds at most that are going to matter and any more is just adding weight and reducing speed so it's likely even a 20 rounder will solve any home defense shooting problem. No clue. More rounds the better maybe. The magpul 40s are really long. Now that 60 round drum. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 8:41:59 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most definitely. Projection is something else, ain't it? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 11:37:08 AM EDT
[#43]
Do any of the mid to high tier manufacturers have prismatic sights?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 2:59:44 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 10 more rounds without needing a spare magazine. It's a lot easier to have 40 rounds in the gun ready to go versus carrying a spare on you. The weight of 10 additional rounds at the center of gravity for the rifle (should be) is going to have a negligible impact on the rifle's handling. The military has concern for going prone -- you don't in a home defense situation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes, I can shoot with them but I still prefer just open iron sights on a home defense type long gun. I disagree that you are not looking through a tube, you certainly are. While your brain is what makes the dot appear on the target it's actually doing that because your dominate eye IS looking through the tube and your other eye is not. This can be done even with an 4x ACOG but it's a little harder than a dot sight. The Bindon concept is the same and the reality is you are looking through a tube with one eye otherwise you would not see the dot or the chevron or whatever. I'm not saying don't use dot sights, I'm just saying irons at close range are tough to beat if you have lots of time on them. If you practice you can look around the tube as well as through it. I posted my ACOG setup. The 3 power is easy to look around. I have it really far forward. You can see the chevron and your surroundings. It's a lot harder with the 4x because of it's short eye relief. The RMR ontop you don't even see the housing with practice. Especially under night vision. I can point shoot and use irons. But under pressure or moving it's way easier to use the dot. Just takes some practice. Even more on a pistol. Any idea what the SEAL guy meant by 40 rounders solving some problems? In a home defense situation I think a 40 would have way more down sides than pluses. I've tried all kinds of stuff but in the end it's the first 10 maybe 15 rounds at most that are going to matter and any more is just adding weight and reducing speed so it's likely even a 20 rounder will solve any home defense shooting problem. The speed difference is going to be negligible given the position of the weight. You're ostensibly not going prone in a home defense scenario. What are all these downsides, exactly? Maneuverability is hindered plus the weight slows the gun down. Less weight translates into faster movement. 30 round mags are standard because they are the best compromise between capacity, size and weight. Let's put this in my original questions perspective. What are the advantages of a 40 round mag over a 30 in a home defense situation? 10 more rounds without needing a spare magazine. It's a lot easier to have 40 rounds in the gun ready to go versus carrying a spare on you. The weight of 10 additional rounds at the center of gravity for the rifle (should be) is going to have a negligible impact on the rifle's handling. The military has concern for going prone -- you don't in a home defense situation. Hey whatever works for you. Having a foot long heavy mono pod sticking out of the bottom of my rifle doesn't work for me but then again I've never heard any other experienced shooter suggest using 40's for home defense or anywhere for that matter. I would like to have heard his reasoning. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 3:11:33 PM EDT
[#45]
20 rounds in my rifles to start
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 3:12:12 PM EDT
[#46]
I get the China part.
But I think people are missing the difference between and HD optic vs a Duty optic and/or SHTF optic. For some, they are all the same. For others, there is a distinct difference. You want your HD optic to work, but do you really need it built like a tank (assuming it is a dedicated HD weapon)? It will spend almost all of its life hanging on a wall, or stacked in a corner, or tucked in a safe, nice a dry, with the temperature somewhere between 55 and 85 degrees. Now if your HD gun is also your SHTF gun and Duty gun, then the scenario is different. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 3:34:18 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey whatever works for you. Having a foot long heavy mono pod sticking out of the bottom of my rifle doesn't work for me but then again I've never heard any other experienced shooter suggest using 40's for home defense or anywhere for that matter. I would like to have heard his reasoning. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes, I can shoot with them but I still prefer just open iron sights on a home defense type long gun. I disagree that you are not looking through a tube, you certainly are. While your brain is what makes the dot appear on the target it's actually doing that because your dominate eye IS looking through the tube and your other eye is not. This can be done even with an 4x ACOG but it's a little harder than a dot sight. The Bindon concept is the same and the reality is you are looking through a tube with one eye otherwise you would not see the dot or the chevron or whatever. I'm not saying don't use dot sights, I'm just saying irons at close range are tough to beat if you have lots of time on them. If you practice you can look around the tube as well as through it. I posted my ACOG setup. The 3 power is easy to look around. I have it really far forward. You can see the chevron and your surroundings. It's a lot harder with the 4x because of it's short eye relief. The RMR ontop you don't even see the housing with practice. Especially under night vision. I can point shoot and use irons. But under pressure or moving it's way easier to use the dot. Just takes some practice. Even more on a pistol. Any idea what the SEAL guy meant by 40 rounders solving some problems? In a home defense situation I think a 40 would have way more down sides than pluses. I've tried all kinds of stuff but in the end it's the first 10 maybe 15 rounds at most that are going to matter and any more is just adding weight and reducing speed so it's likely even a 20 rounder will solve any home defense shooting problem. The speed difference is going to be negligible given the position of the weight. You're ostensibly not going prone in a home defense scenario. What are all these downsides, exactly? Maneuverability is hindered plus the weight slows the gun down. Less weight translates into faster movement. 30 round mags are standard because they are the best compromise between capacity, size and weight. Let's put this in my original questions perspective. What are the advantages of a 40 round mag over a 30 in a home defense situation? 10 more rounds without needing a spare magazine. It's a lot easier to have 40 rounds in the gun ready to go versus carrying a spare on you. The weight of 10 additional rounds at the center of gravity for the rifle (should be) is going to have a negligible impact on the rifle's handling. The military has concern for going prone -- you don't in a home defense situation. Hey whatever works for you. Having a foot long heavy mono pod sticking out of the bottom of my rifle doesn't work for me but then again I've never heard any other experienced shooter suggest using 40's for home defense or anywhere for that matter. I would like to have heard his reasoning. Gunner Wade was having IAR dudes experiment with running PMAG 40s and D-60s IIRC. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 4:57:55 PM EDT
[#48]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 6:20:23 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOne hell of a commute to work. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/25/2021 6:31:11 PM EDT
[#50]
He commented "game warden next best thing..." when speaking about not having a suppressor.
What is a "game warden" aside from the normal wildlife leo? is it a suppressor type of muzzle brake? |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
