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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:02:05 PM EST
 Failed To Load Title A few weeks ago, after taking a Trident Concepts Rifle class, Andrew asked Jeff Gonzales to give him some feedback on his HD rifle. Hosted by @chopinbloc @JeffGonzales Edited by @Stylz Sponsored by TNVC: https://tnvc.com/ Sponsored by Winchester Ammunition: https://winchester.com Train with Trident Concepts: https://www.tridentconcepts.com/ Check out ARFCOM's Teespring Store: https://teespring.com/stores/arfcom Follow ARFCOM! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ar15com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/ar15com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ar15com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ar15com/ |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:15:10 PM EST
That's not bad. A sling and an attachment point. So what's the recommended sling?
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:19:16 PM EST
You could have just posted the rifle here and we would have roasted you just fine
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:22:21 PM EST
Who the f*** is Andrew?
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:29:36 PM EST
He said a game warden if you can't get a suppressor , what's a game warden?
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:31:41 PM EST
It's a crummy commercial.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:34:22 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By BLITZ999: He said a game warden if you can't get a suppressor , what's a game warden? I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Surefire Warden, which is just a surefire blast deflector that uses the same mounts as SF suppressors. 
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:41:08 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By SEAN10MM: Who the f*** is Andrew? Think that’s bluefalcon81. Not sure. Does gel testing on the ARFcom channel. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:43:15 PM EST
He sure did tiptoe around saying your optic is a cheap Chinese piece of shit
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:45:26 PM EST
Ignorant question. Why would a guy in the class have to keep using the charging handle instead of the bolt release?
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:47:57 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By woodxdm: He sure did tiptoe around saying your optic is a cheap Chinese piece of shit 
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:53:38 PM EST
Can he roast both of mine???
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 5:58:28 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By chase45: You could have just posted the rifle here and we would have roasted you just fine 
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:01:58 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By chase45: You could have just posted the rifle here and we would have roasted you just fine +1  |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:02:02 PM EST
Yeah I’d put a primary arms optic on maybe a 22LR range toy not much else. Even then thinking about nope not doing it.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:02:49 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By woodxdm: He sure did tiptoe around saying your optic is a cheap Chinese piece of shit 
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:03:17 PM EST
He was kind.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:05:15 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Furyataurus: Can he roast both of mine??? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177719/20210114_192515-1779959.jpg And https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/177719/20210107_222101-1769399.jpg  Really nice, don't get me wrong.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:09:34 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By IdahoDoug: Ignorant question. Why would a guy in the class have to keep using the charging handle instead of the bolt release? Some folks like to keep the manipulations as close to possible system to system. Think pistol/rifle tap & rack... |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:16:48 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By SEAN10MM: Who the f*** is Andrew? He is that dude that says he loves you at the end of his videos....creepy |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:22:30 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By woodxdm: He sure did tiptoe around saying your optic is a cheap Chinese piece of shit He was very polite about it lol Doesn’t the heavy set guy work for the site or something? Can’t they at least buy the guy an Aimpoint PRO from the EE? |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:24:13 PM EST
That was a long video just to say that your shit is all retarded.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:29:09 PM EST
My HD rifle is practically eligible for a retro thread.
Kharn |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:32:06 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Kihn: That's not bad. A sling and an attachment point. So what's the recommended sling? M1 sling |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:32:15 PM EST
That wasn’t a roast.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:32:17 PM EST
What sling is that? ferro slingster? nothing bad about that sling wtf.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:32:55 PM EST
I thought the sling took a lot more abuse than the optic.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:34:59 PM EST
I expected worse, but overall not a bad video.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:35:34 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By chase45: You could have just posted the rifle here and we would have roasted you just fine  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:37:57 PM EST
So whats the sling recommendation?
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:41:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 6:44:27 PM EST by avslash]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IdahoDoug: Ignorant question. Why would a guy in the class have to keep using the charging handle instead of the bolt release? At least when I was training with him he always ran the charging handle and always stripped empty mags out of the rifle. Theory I believe was reducing points of potential failure. You know the mag is out/coming out when you strip it and running the handle provides the maximum forward momentum to the BCG. The man can shoot. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:50:37 PM EST
Serious question. If someone uses a weapon professionally or if their life depends on it, I can understand taking a "no cost is too great to pay" approach for reliability and quality. But why the hate for inexpensive optics that are pretty damn reliable? Not everyone needs an aimpoint, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce, etc.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:51:04 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By woodxdm: He sure did tiptoe around saying your optic is a cheap Chinese piece of shit We won't. OP your optic is a cheap Chinese POS. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:51:11 PM EST
Cool video.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:52:41 PM EST
Spent so much on the SureFire can, he couldn't afford a decent optic.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:52:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 6:53:14 PM EST by AKengineer]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By avslash: I have been in two classes with Gonzalez. At least when I was training with him he always ran the charging handle and always stripped empty mags out of the rifle. Theory I believe was reducing points of potential failure. You know the mag is out/coming out when you strip it and running the handle provides the maximum forward momentum to the BCG. The man can shoot. Not sure I would run something that hard with a latchless charging handle. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:53:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2021 6:55:20 PM EST by Cypher214]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Serious question. If someone uses a weapon professionally or if their life depends on it, I can understand taking a "no cost is too great to pay" approach for reliability and quality. But why the hate for inexpensive optics that are pretty damn reliable? Not everyone needs an aimpoint, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce, etc. Because an Aimpoint PRO is a great optic and isn't much more than a Primary Arms. Guys spend $350 or more on garbage when they could have bought something like an older EOTech or Comp M2. Nobody is saying everyone needs a $2,000 optic. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:54:16 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Serious question. If someone uses a weapon professionally or if their life depends on it, I can understand taking a "no cost is too great to pay" approach for reliability and quality. But why the hate for inexpensive optics that are pretty damn reliable? Not everyone needs an aimpoint, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce, etc. You are right. But it's funny seeing high end rifles (KAC, LMT, BCM, or whoever else you think is high end) and then plop a cheap Chicom optic on it (usually also in a high end Geissele, Badger, etc mount - sometimes the mount is more expensive than the optic). I just don't get that. If you are funding limited, and only finger bang a couple times of year for fun, just go cheap all around. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:54:53 PM EST
Efforts and expenses toward HD were wasted....little did he know the killer had already silently invaded. All the shooting classes in the world failed to prepare him for the beetus.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:55:00 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Cypher214: Because an Aimpoint PRO is a great optic and isn't much more than a Primary Arms. 
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:55:47 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Serious question. If someone uses a weapon professionally or if their life depends on it, I can understand taking a "no cost is too great to pay" approach for reliability and quality. But why the hate for inexpensive optics that are pretty damn reliable? Not everyone needs an aimpoint, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce, etc. Because stuff breaks when you use it. Cheap stuff breaks more often. Charging handles, safeties, sights, optics, slings, and triggers I have seen fail in person. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:57:55 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By woodxdm: He sure did tiptoe around saying your optic is a cheap Chinese piece of shit  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:58:39 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Cypher214: Because an Aimpoint PRO is a great optic and isn't much more than a Primary Arms. Guys spend $350 or more on garbage when they could have bought something like an older EOTech or Comp M2. Nobody is saying everyone needs a $2,000 optic. What if he has a prism 1x optic because he has astigmatism? Next best option then becomes an acog TA44 which of course carries a higher price tag. Maybe a hologram eotech would work, but eotechs have the taint of unreliability (deserved or not) on them. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:59:31 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Serious question. If someone uses a weapon professionally or if their life depends on it, I can understand taking a "no cost is too great to pay" approach for reliability and quality. But why the hate for inexpensive optics that are pretty damn reliable? Not everyone needs an aimpoint, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce, etc. The thing is, a cheap optic costs 200 dollars. An Aimpoint is 400 dollars. That's a pretty small gap to get top of the line quality compared to Chinese stuff which may or may not function well. It's disingenuous to bring up S&B or Nightforce, because those optics are seriously expensive. But an Aimpoint is in the reach of everyone. Seriously, cheap out on the stock. Get a take off M4 from the EE for 5 bucks. Cheap out on the trigger, a GI model will function fine. Cheap out on the handguard, again a set of M4 ones from the EE for nothing. An A2 flash hider will work perfectly fine. Even cheap out on the lower; a PSA or Anderson is perfectly fine as long as you verify the specs on it. But for the love of all that is holy, sack up and buy a good BCG, barrel, and optic. Everything else is optional. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:04:55 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Kharn: My HD rifle is practically eligible for a retro thread. Kharn You think that's bad... mines a shotgun! |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:09:17 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Rhinowso96: You are right. But it's funny seeing high end rifles (KAC, LMT, BCM, or whoever else you think is high end) and then plop a cheap Chicom optic on it (usually also in a high end Geissele, Badger, etc mount - sometimes the mount is more expensive than the optic). I just don't get that. If you are funding limited, and only finger bang a couple times of year for fun, just go cheap all around. I spent quite a few years toying with cheap optics to finally come to the conclusion.. buy once, cry once. Even used Aimpoints, Trijicons and EOTechs are nothing to scoff at and well worth the money over new ChiComm stuffs. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:13:30 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By MikeEIB: Efforts and expenses toward HD were wasted....little did he know the killer had already silently invaded. All the shooting classes in the world failed to prepare him for the beetus. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:13:54 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44: The thing is, a cheap optic costs 200 dollars. An Aimpoint is 400 dollars. That's a pretty small gap to get top of the line quality compared to Chinese stuff which may or may not function well. It's disingenuous to bring up S&B or Nightforce, because those optics are seriously expensive. But an Aimpoint is in the reach of everyone. Seriously, cheap out on the stock. Get a take off M4 from the EE for 5 bucks. Cheap out on the trigger, a GI model will function fine. Cheap out on the handguard, again a set of M4 ones from the EE for nothing. An A2 flash hider will work perfectly fine. Even cheap out on the lower; a PSA or Anderson is perfectly fine as long as you verify the specs on it. But for the love of all that is holy, sack up and buy a good BCG, barrel, and optic. Everything else is optional. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Originally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Serious question. If someone uses a weapon professionally or if their life depends on it, I can understand taking a "no cost is too great to pay" approach for reliability and quality. But why the hate for inexpensive optics that are pretty damn reliable? Not everyone needs an aimpoint, Schmidt and Bender, Nightforce, etc. The thing is, a cheap optic costs 200 dollars. An Aimpoint is 400 dollars. That's a pretty small gap to get top of the line quality compared to Chinese stuff which may or may not function well. It's disingenuous to bring up S&B or Nightforce, because those optics are seriously expensive. But an Aimpoint is in the reach of everyone. Seriously, cheap out on the stock. Get a take off M4 from the EE for 5 bucks. Cheap out on the trigger, a GI model will function fine. Cheap out on the handguard, again a set of M4 ones from the EE for nothing. An A2 flash hider will work perfectly fine. Even cheap out on the lower; a PSA or Anderson is perfectly fine as long as you verify the specs on it. But for the love of all that is holy, sack up and buy a good BCG, barrel, and optic. Everything else is optional. This should be the gospel!\ |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:15:20 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By woodxdm: He sure did tiptoe around saying your optic is a cheap Chinese piece of shit  I'm ded. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:16:09 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By HTHF: So whats the sling recommendation? |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:16:11 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Cypher214: Because an Aimpoint PRO is a great optic and isn't much more than a Primary Arms. Guys spend $350 or more on garbage when they could have bought something like an older EOTech or Comp M2. Nobody is saying everyone needs a $2,000 optic. My pro has been working great since they came out. I can't stand EOtechs reticle.... How they doing with their countless thousands of defective optics? |
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