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Posted: 5/29/2020 9:52:52 AM EDT
Local shop has this rifle, and we haven't been able to figure out what it is exactly. Appears to be 7mm, but not sure of the exact chambering (assuming 7x57). It's being sold as non-firing, as it seems to have a potential headspace issue....not sure what's been done to it, but doesn't seem to lock up fully.
Any guesses? What's the likelihood of finding a replacement bolt assembly? Looks like a Mauser of sorts, I'm assuming a 96.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 9:58:01 AM EDT
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Spanish Mauser
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Posted: 5/29/2020 9:59:13 AM EDT
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I believe that is a Spanish 1916, originally chambered in 7mm but many of them were converted to 308 later on.
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:01:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spanish Mauser |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:02:57 AM EDT
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Could be a Spanish mauser
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:03:34 AM EDT
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What are the chances I can find a bolt assembly....cheaply??
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:08:50 AM EDT
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Numrich and Liberty Tree, but unless the rifle is free, you're still looking at $100 + for a bolt that may or may not work.
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:10:00 AM EDT
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What's wrong with the bolt that's in it?
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:10:18 AM EDT
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That's what concerns me...how much would the rifle potentially be worth in perfect firing condition?
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:11:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are the chances I can find a bolt assembly....cheaply?? Just look on eBay. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:13:55 AM EDT
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It's a Spanish Mauser as was said. That one is in 7.62x51 NATO (OT prefix serial number).
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:18:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Numrich and Liberty Tree, but unless the rifle is free, you're still looking at $100 + for a bolt that may or may not work. Yep. .308 bolts go for $100-$150 It might not fix the headspace issue. OP, just go look for and buy another one. They are relatively common. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:19:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what concerns me...how much would the rifle potentially be worth in perfect firing condition? |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:22:31 AM EDT
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How can they check headspace if they don't know the chambering? Maybe headspace is fine for .308?
Nevermind. I thought you said it DID lock up. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:27:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe that is a Spanish 1916, originally chambered in 7mm but many of them were converted to 308 later on. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:50:28 AM EDT
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Numrich is closed @ the moment b/c NY restrictions.
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:51:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe that is a Spanish 1916, originally chambered in 7mm but many of them were converted to 308 later on. I have a .308 example. If that one has a headspace issue, you could always drop the coin to get a Rhineland Arms caliber conversion kit. Would be neat in 7.62x39, 9mm, or .45 ACP. I'm always on the lookout for an inexpensive ragged out Mauser for that reason. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:55:07 AM EDT
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What exactly leads you to believe you need a new bolt?
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:00:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What exactly leads you to believe you need a new bolt? That rifle looks tits. Did you check the headspace with a 308 gauge? |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:02:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a Spanish Mauser as was said. That one is in 7.62x51 NATO (OT prefix serial number). And is the base that the FR7 was built off of... I've never heard of an actual problem, but some say that 7.62*51 exceeds the limits of that action. Meaning that juiced commercial .308 is worse. OP, some sloppily produced guns can close on a no go but still pass the field gauge test I'm not sure if this is one of them, or if it's truly screwed. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:06:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. That rifle looks tits. Did you check the headspace with a 308 gauge? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What exactly leads you to believe you need a new bolt? That rifle looks tits. Did you check the headspace with a 308 gauge? |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:06:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I have a .308 example. If that one has a headspace issue, you could always drop the coin to get a Rhineland Arms caliber conversion kit. Would be neat in 7.62x39, 9mm, or .45 ACP. I'm always on the lookout for an inexpensive ragged out Mauser for that reason. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I believe that is a Spanish 1916, originally chambered in 7mm but many of them were converted to 308 later on. I have a .308 example. If that one has a headspace issue, you could always drop the coin to get a Rhineland Arms caliber conversion kit. Would be neat in 7.62x39, 9mm, or .45 ACP. I'm always on the lookout for an inexpensive ragged out Mauser for that reason. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:17:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think he said it doesn't fully lock up. But you are correct. Regardless it should be gauged with the correct gauge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What exactly leads you to believe you need a new bolt? That rifle looks tits. Did you check the headspace with a 308 gauge? I take that to mean that the bolt doesn't close all the way. In the pics it looks like the bolt handle is against the stock. I'm not familiar with that rifle but that stock looks pristine. Maybe a re-stock and the cut out isn't deep enough? Just spitballing, but i'd do more investigation before throwing parts at it. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:21:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And is the base that the FR7 was built off of... I've never heard of an actual problem, but some say that 7.62*51 exceeds the limits of that action. Meaning that juiced commercial .308 is worse. OP, some sloppily produced guns can close on a no go but still pass the field gauge test I'm not sure if this is one of them, or if it's truly screwed. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:28:19 AM EDT
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I bought a Spanish Mauser for $299 in 8mm. I've heard the 308 conversions have issues. I would just get another one.
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:34:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And is the base that the FR7 was built off of... I've never heard of an actual problem, but some say that 7.62*51 exceeds the limits of that action. Meaning that juiced commercial .308 is worse. OP, some sloppily produced guns can close on a no go but still pass the field gauge test I'm not sure if this is one of them, or if it's truly screwed. ETA: Don't think I've ever seen a converted one with a blue bolt, most of the converted ones are in the white or plated with something that gives them that appearance. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:45:33 AM EDT
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I actually have an FR8...
 Attached File Attached FileI picked up the 1916, and it is definitely a .308....I'll post a few pics, and go into more detail a little later. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:51:09 AM EDT
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Since it didn't lock up, did you check the chamber for a piece of seperated brass, lodges in the chamber? It's a pretty common occurrence.
FWIW |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 9:16:14 PM EDT
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Ok, here are a few more details...now that I've foolishly bought the rifle and brought it home.
The most immediate issue I've noticed is the bolt isn't locking up solidly. Meaning, with the bolt closed and the safety "off", you can still feel side to side play with the bolt. There isn't any rearwax movement, but you can physically rattle the bolt around with it closed. Issue #2, it appears someone has filed down the tip of the firing pin...still can't figure that one out, unless they were simply doing it to keep the rifle from firing. Makes sense, if there is a lockup/headspacing problem. The chamber does show some marks, but they look superficial....I can't get a small wire to drag on them.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 9:17:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/29/2020 9:40:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, here are a few more details...now that I've foolishly bought the rifle and brought it home. The most immediate issue I've noticed is the bolt isn't locking up solidly. Meaning, with the bolt closed and the safety "off", you can still feel side to side play with the bolt. There isn't any rearwax movement, but you can physically rattle the bolt around with it closed. Issue #2, it appears someone has filed down the tip of the firing pin...still can't figure that one out, unless they were simply doing it to keep the rifle from firing. Makes sense, if there is a lockup/headspacing problem. I looked at my FR-7. When the bolt is forward and locked, but without the trigger being set, yes the bolt will wiggle r to l a bit. But when the trigger is charged, there is almost most no movement. IMO it's not an issue, but an observation. At the moment I would be concerned about the face of the bolt being ground. Ebay had a vendor for cemte parts at one time. And it's fine with standard ammo, mil surplus or common commercial loads. PS; get a bayonet, while they're still considered surplus. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 9:51:13 PM EDT
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The grinding on the bolt face is concerning.
Could have been very pitted from leaking primers. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 9:58:42 PM EDT
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The grinding of the bolt face is very superficial, and my fingernail doesn't "drag" running across the face. I just can't imagine why the firing pin was ground down flat, is almost as though it was done to be flush with the bolt face.
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:05:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The grinding of the bolt face is very superficial, and my fingernail doesn't "drag" running across the face. I just can't imagine why the firing pin was ground down flat, is almost as though it was done to be flush with the bolt face. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:11:01 PM EDT
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I don't think it will even contace a primer the way it is flattened now...
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:16:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The grinding of the bolt face is very superficial, and my fingernail doesn't "drag" running across the face. I just can't imagine why the firing pin was ground down flat, is almost as though it was done to be flush with the bolt face. Previous owner wanted a full auto 
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Posted: 5/29/2020 10:54:25 PM EDT
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Receiver stretch
I have a Turk Mauser like that I think it is very unsafe to shoot |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:08:04 PM EDT
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You should get a sticker for the stock that says “Sponsored by Birchwood Casey Cold Blue.”
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:08:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Receiver stretch Makes sense. I just checked my FR8, and I have almost very little perceptible movement with the safety "ON", and virtually none in the "OFF" position...on the 1916, it is absolutely noticeable. Looks like this one may become an interesting wall hanger. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:12:00 PM EDT
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My guess is that at some point, for some reason, someone determined that rifle was unsafe to shoot.
Then they Dremelled down the firing pin while it was still in the bolt in an attempt to deactivate the gun. That would explain the grinding on the bolt face and the filed down firing pin. Proceed with caution, OP. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:20:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My guess is that at some point, for some reason, someone determined that rifle was unsafe to shoot. I think you are correct. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:26:36 PM EDT
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Firing pin hole might have been thought to be too large. Someone welded and redrilled it to have a tighter fitting firing pin. This would also explain the altered firing pin.
Maybe. Maybe not. This would prevent primer issues of modern higher pressure loads by providing more support to the primer. |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:38:18 PM EDT
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If it is in fact receiver stretch, which seems logical, guess that means no .45 ACP conversion....
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:46:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:50:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt would be great if you could luck into a decent barreled receiver, as I'd honestly prefer a 7x57! |
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:56:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be great if you could luck into a decent barreled receiver, as I'd honestly prefer a 7x57! Quote HistoryQuoted: It would be great if you could luck into a decent barreled receiver, as I'd honestly prefer a 7x57! I'll have to look for it, but I watched a video on youtube recently where someone ordered the 5-pack, and lucked out, getting some decent parts (or what I'd consider decent, anyway ). They'd need a bit of cleanup, but honestly weren't all that bad.ETA: Found it. He ended up scoring 5 bolts as a bonus.  Unboxing a Spanish Mauser Mystery Box |
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Posted: 5/30/2020 12:00:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe that is a Spanish 1916, originally chambered in 7mm but many of them were converted to 308 later on. This. The action is an 1895, not an 98 Mauser. |
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Posted: 5/30/2020 12:03:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll have to look for it, but I watched a video on youtube recently where someone ordered the 5-pack, and lucked out, getting some decent parts (or what I'd consider decent, anyway ). They'd need a bit of cleanup, but honestly weren't all that bad.ETA: Found it. He ended up scoring 5 bolts as a bonus.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kv5W6JZ7AUThe video gives hope, but the ad itself doesn't make it seem like they come with much other than 5x barreled actions...I may call them on Monday, and see if they all include bolts. |
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Posted: 5/30/2020 12:16:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it is in fact receiver stretch, which seems logical, guess that means no .45 ACP conversion.... While you might not want to shoot .308 in it, or even 7x57mm, .45 ACP is far lower pressure with far lower bolt thrust. It's in fact an ideal cartridge for old, tired receivers. Carry on, OP. |
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Posted: 5/30/2020 7:35:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While you might not want to shoot .308 in it, or even 7x57mm, .45 ACP is far lower pressure with far lower bolt thrust. It's in fact an ideal cartridge for old, tired receivers. Carry on, OP. Hmmm, that gives me a little hope.  |
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Posted: 5/30/2020 7:42:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are the chances I can find a bolt assembly....cheaply?? @jason280 You cant just buy a bolt assy for a mauser and expect it to work. They were fit to the gun at the factory. If you buy one, it may not close all the way, or you might get excessive headspace and experience case head failures. |
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