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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:37:00 PM EDT
[#1]
Should be executed. The entire country's safety is riding on this stuff.
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:37:25 PM EDT
[#2]
Apparently she decided on her own that it was "dumb" that the navy wanted testing done at -100 F.
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:38:04 PM EDT
[#3]
Treasonous bitch.
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:40:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:41:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:41:57 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently she decided on her own that it was "dumb" that the navy wanted testing done at -100 F. I blame the 19th Amendment |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:42:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh oh shit is gunna hit the fan at work. I’ll update this post when I find out more info. But if it’s the foundry I think it is this effects Ohio, Virginia and Columbia class subs as well as carriers. Damn |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:43:01 PM EDT
[#8]
For fuck's sake!
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:43:29 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Treasonous bitch. worse, sounds more like she was just fucking lazy and didn't want to do the extra testing work. shit like this is probably more common within the military-industrial complex than we will ever know about. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:43:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh oh shit is gunna hit the fan at work. I’ll update this post when I find out more info. But if it’s the foundry I think it is this effects Ohio, Virginia and Columbia class subs as well as carriers. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:45:05 PM EDT
[#11]
Wonder how they caught her...
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:46:32 PM EDT
[#12]
More widespread than you'd think.
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:46:33 PM EDT
[#13]
Not likely hull parts
Maybe some sort of gearbox/housing It’s a casting. That’s what the foundry in Tacoma makes. I doubt there’s any castings on the hull, at least not structural parts. Every internet news post on this is the same - they all plagiarize I looked up FB and linkedin to see if there’s any pictures of her. I just picture her to look like some crazy cat lady, stringy hair, thick glasses. So she figured she knew better than everyone else the rest requirements were stupid or ridiculous There’s more than a few managers/engineers out there like that. I know of an aerospace metals company that years ago used to make their inspectors fill out reports in pencil. But long before I got there. White out is not allowed, but the rules said nothing of erasers I guess. Maybe execution is too harsh since there are no losses (yet) due to her criminal nature. But spending the rest of her life at hard labor would be OK with me, with no chance of parole. And no respite from labor. Making big rocks into little ones. Something like that. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:46:39 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently she decided on her own that it was "dumb" that the navy wanted testing done at -100 F. We check impact toughness at -40f and actually use the steel down to -20F. Navy never gets that cold. Not defending this criminal, but pointing out our government wasting $$$ over specing. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:46:42 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Should be executed. The entire country's safety is riding on this stuff. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:48:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I blame the 19th Amendment EEOC and ERA Plus coed universities |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:48:56 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Should be executed. The entire country's safety is riding on this stuff. This. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:49:51 PM EDT
[#18]
so the navy put reqs on a product and never independently verified it for decades and relied on the word of one woman for it?
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:50:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder how they caught her... If only the article explained it.  "...Thomas' conduct came to light in 2017, when a metallurgist being groomed to replace her noticed suspicious test results and alerted their company, Kansas City-based Bradken Inc..." |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:50:26 PM EDT
[#20]
Did she just opt not to run certain tests on her own volition or the material failed in testing so she fudged the numbers?
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:50:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should be executed. The entire country's safety is riding on this stuff. this |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:50:58 PM EDT
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<-- 36 years in aerospace foundry business, last 28 engineering.
That would be tough to falsify for that long...and there is an "act" out there will nail here to a prison wall. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:51:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder how they caught her... The article says that a new metallurgist hired to replace her when she retired found some things that didn’t look right They were recently bought out about that time by a corporation called Brayden. Ultimately owned by Hitachi now I couldn’t find what the foundry was named in Tacoma before they were bought up They reported the test discrepancies to the navy but did not tell them fraud was involved immediately. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:51:48 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonder how they caught her... The sub that ran into an underwater mountain had more damage than the steel spec should have had I'm guessing. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:53:02 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A spec is a spec and you QA to it, but -100 F is a dumb spec. We check impact toughness at -40f and actually use the steel down to -20F. Navy never gets that cold. Not defending this criminal, but pointing out our government wasting $$$ over specing. 
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:53:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wonder how they caught her... If only the article explained it. "...Thomas' conduct came to light in 2017, when a metallurgist being groomed to replace her noticed suspicious test results and alerted their company, Kansas City-based Bradken Inc..." DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE???!!! 
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:54:26 PM EDT
[#27]
Anchored out shoulder deep at low tide and make it so when high tide is in she is 2 feet or more under water.
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:54:38 PM EDT
[#28]
Treason IMO, should be executed. Stupid spec or not, not her decision. And why the hell would she care if she has to test a piece of metal down to -100F? So what, it's your job to test things.
Strip her off all monetary possessions, pensions, savings accounts, etc. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:54:59 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryDupes with stupid titles shouldn't count. Nonetheless, I have no idea how you get from 'Wow, I don't know why they'd want those results' to 'I'll just falsify material performance data'. 
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:55:21 PM EDT
[#30]
Ductile to brittle transition temperatures are a real concern, but testing at -100F sounds like overkill.
Still not condoning such fraud 
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:55:46 PM EDT
[#31]
LOWEST. BIDDER.
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:56:06 PM EDT
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Whenever I saw women in a lab at a steel mill (especially one that has .gov contracts), I always wondered if they were bringing their mental and emotional baggage to work in such a way that it could impact production or quality...
...no, that's fucking sexist, I thought.  Lab rats are meant to be the autistic ones; it's the only way  No women. No cool guys. Just dorks.Speed |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:56:08 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Should be executed. The entire country's safety is riding on this stuff. This |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:56:21 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anchored out shoulder deep at low tide and make it so when high tide is in she is 2 feet or more under water. Nah, make it two inches so that she thinks she has a chance of surviving. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:56:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat kind of a title is that beside being shitstained, retarded and moronic. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:56:56 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ductile to brittle transition temperatures are a real concern, but testing at -100F sounds like overkill. Still not condoning such fraud Yep. Way overkill for the material service. Gold plated toilet seats. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:57:08 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not if it's for Project Solar Warden! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A spec is a spec and you QA to it, but -100 F is a dumb spec. We check impact toughness at -40f and actually use the steel down to -20F. Navy never gets that cold. Not defending this criminal, but pointing out our government wasting $$$ over specing. Or a missilecoptersub |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:57:35 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The sub that ran into an underwater mountain had more damage than the steel spec should have had I'm guessing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wonder how they caught her... The sub that ran into an underwater mountain had more damage than the steel spec should have had I'm guessing. She was caught in 2017 by her replacement at the company. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:57:51 PM EDT
[#39]
Jesus.
She's screwed if this is true. Juror's, prosecutors, and judges have a special place of priority for people who put armed service members at risk like this. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:57:58 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A spec is a spec and you QA to it, but -100 F is a dumb spec. We check impact toughness at -40f and actually use the steel down to -20F. Navy never gets that cold. Not defending this criminal, but pointing out our government wasting $$$ over specing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Apparently she decided on her own that it was "dumb" that the navy wanted testing done at -100 F. We check impact toughness at -40f and actually use the steel down to -20F. Navy never gets that cold. Not defending this criminal, but pointing out our government wasting $$$ over specing. Unless you know precisely why it was specified, that's a silly thing to say. I have done work in applications way colder than that. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 4:59:45 PM EDT
[#41]
Infiltration from within.
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Posted: 11/9/2021 5:00:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: A metallurgist in Washington state pleaded guilty to fraud Monday after she spent decades faking the results of strength tests on steel that was being used to make U.S. Navy submarines. Elaine Marie Thomas, 67, of Auburn, Washington, was the director of metallurgy at a foundry in Tacoma that supplied steel castings used by Navy contractors Electric Boat and Newport News Shipbuilding to make submarine hulls. From 1985 through 2017, Thomas falsified the results of strength and toughness tests for at least 240 productions of steel — about half the steel the foundry produced for the Navy, according to her plea agreement, filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Tacoma. The tests were intended to show that the steel would not fail in a collision or in certain "wartime scenarios," the Justice Department said. https://www.foxnews.com/us/metallurgist-pleads-guilty-fraud-falsifying-steel-test-results-navy-submarines Again? |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 5:01:02 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not likely hull parts Maybe some sort of gearbox/housing It’s a casting. That’s what the foundry in Tacoma makes. I doubt there’s any castings on the hull, at least not structural parts. Every internet news post on this is the same - they all plagiarize I looked up FB and linkedin to see if there’s any pictures of her. I just picture her to look like some crazy cat lady, stringy hair, thick glasses. So she figured she knew better than everyone else the rest requirements were stupid or ridiculous There’s more than a few managers/engineers out there like that. I figured she would have had a mugshot posted. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 5:01:32 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A spec is a spec and you QA to it, but -100 F is a dumb spec. We check impact toughness at -40f and actually use the steel down to -20F. Navy never gets that cold. Not defending this criminal, but pointing out our government wasting $$$ over specing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Apparently she decided on her own that it was "dumb" that the navy wanted testing done at -100 F. We check impact toughness at -40f and actually use the steel down to -20F. Navy never gets that cold. Not defending this criminal, but pointing out our government wasting $$$ over specing. As far as we know, anyway. What if they're building Space Battleship Yamato?! 
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Posted: 11/9/2021 5:02:21 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A spec is a spec and you QA to it, but -100 F is a dumb spec. We check impact toughness at -40f and actually use the steel down to -20F. Navy never gets that cold. Not defending this criminal, but pointing out our government wasting $$$ over specing. I dunno man the Arctic gets pretty cold under the ice. Plus you have to add in extreme colds and add a percentage for error. -100F is what’s in the spec so test it at -100F. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 5:03:01 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Should be executed. The entire country's safety is riding on this stuff. If we were still a serious country, she would be. But alas... |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 5:03:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As far as we know, anyway. What if they're building Space Battleship Yamato?! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Apparently she decided on her own that it was "dumb" that the navy wanted testing done at -100 F. We check impact toughness at -40f and actually use the steel down to -20F. Navy never gets that cold. Not defending this criminal, but pointing out our government wasting $$$ over specing. As far as we know, anyway. What if they're building Space Battleship Yamato?! Uh, that would probably be the Japanese navy, not the US Navy… |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 5:05:33 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A spec is a spec and you QA to it, but -100 F is a dumb spec. We check impact toughness at -40f and actually use the steel down to -20F. Navy never gets that cold. Not defending this criminal, but pointing out our government wasting $$$ over specing. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 5:06:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Way overkill for the material service. Gold plated toilet seats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ductile to brittle transition temperatures are a real concern, but testing at -100F sounds like overkill. Still not condoning such fraud Yep. Way overkill for the material service. Gold plated toilet seats. Probably. Maybe. Regardless, her company bid for the work without requesting a variance and were awarded the contract while the competition was either higher or disqualified for being unable to meet the requirements. Just because the government asked for it doesn't mean it's logical, feasible, or possible. Having seen the shenanigans that occur with government procurement, it's very, very unlikely a single metallurgist was the only one in on the ruse. |
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Posted: 11/9/2021 5:06:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I blame the 19th Amendment It carries the blame for much of our current problems. |
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