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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:00:19 PM EDT
Local shop had this on the rack today, and was able to pick it up cheap. Yes, its a sporterized version, but price was too low to pass on. Anyone recognize any of the markings? I'm considering trying to return it to WWII configuration, but not sure if its too far gone...if that's the case, I'll likely remove the rear sight, and drill/tap for a rear peep and shoot as is.
Also, with components so tough to find now, would I be better of resizing '06 brass to 8x57? I have tons of '30-06 brass I can use, all I would need is a decent set of 8x57 dies and 8mm bullets.                       
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:02:16 PM EDT
[#1]
I wouldn’t bother restoring it. Once a Bubba, always a Bubba.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:02:31 PM EDT
[#2]
Mauser produced in 1945 and lightly sporterized.
That's all I got. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:05:44 PM EDT
[#3]
You need about $10k more into it and youll have a properly sporterized Mauser.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:08:57 PM EDT
[#4]
Unless I am Missing something, the barrel hasn't been cut and it hasn't been drilled and tapped for a scope so it is saveable.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:09:12 PM EDT
[#5]
Put it in the appropriate stock and it will look good.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:10:42 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put it in the appropriate stock and it will look good. New stock, GTG. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:10:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Put it in the appropriate stock and it will look good. This. Check with Liberty Tree and see if they still have any Israeli K98 stocks sets around. Got one for about $150 or so. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:11:04 PM EDT
[#8]
It's restorable. Needs a new stock and bands. No permanent damage there I can see.
I'm not sure what those parts will run you these days - but they are probably not cheap. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:11:40 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn’t bother restoring it. Once a Bubba, always a Bubba. It's lucky the metal hasn't been overly screwed with. I'd put a repro stock on it. It's got good markings. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:12:21 PM EDT
[#10]
Shoot it as-is, or have the bolt bent and D&T for a scope and have a cheap deer gun.
Once upon a time people could enjoy things like that because they were fun, historical accuracy be darned. Sorry that bras is so high. I regret not buying pallets of 8mm when it was cheap. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:16:32 PM EDT
[#11]
A true Mauser, made by Oberndorf a/Nekar. I'd restore it, all you need is a stock set and bands. A matching set of those (Norwegian take offs) run about 200 for the kit. Worth more than a sporter in the end.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:16:32 PM EDT
[#12]
Double
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:18:26 PM EDT
[#13]
Sporterized no collector value
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:20:39 PM EDT
[#14]
Late war byf (Oberndorf). The bolt disk and sling slot have been filled on the stock and the handguns is missing. Small parts look to match each other but not the receiver.
Looks nice overall. I'd de-sportify it by replacing the stock and handguard. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:21:36 PM EDT
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Finding a Kriegsmodell stock is not going to be easy, lots of guys are looking for them. A correct stamped trigger gaurd and floor plate will be easy to find.
The fact that the metal has not been refinished makes this a good purchase. That's what's important. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:22:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Put it in the appropriate stock and it will look good. That's what I'm thinking |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:28:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's lucky the metal hasn't been overly screwed with. I'd put a repro stock on it. It's got good markings. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:31:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A true Mauser, made by Oberndorf a/Nekar. I'd restore it, all you need is a stock set and bands. A matching set of those (Norwegian take offs) run about 200 for the kit. Worth more than a sporter in the end. This. That gun can be saved. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:31:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A true Mauser, made by Oberndorf a/Nekar. I'd restore it, all you need is a stock set and bands. A matching set of those (Norwegian take offs) run about 200 for the kit. Worth more than a sporter in the end. Neat! I paid $159 (with tax) for the rifle, so I feel like that was a reasonable deal... 
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:36:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neat! I paid $159 (with tax) for the rifle, so I feel like that was a reasonable deal... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A true Mauser, made by Oberndorf a/Nekar. I'd restore it, all you need is a stock set and bands. A matching set of those (Norwegian take offs) run about 200 for the kit. Worth more than a sporter in the end. Neat! I paid $159 (with tax) for the rifle, so I feel like that was a reasonable deal... That was a steal. Get a stock set(and possibly sight hood, cleaning rod, and sling) and restore it to mil configuration. It'll never be matching again, but neither are Russian capture rifles, which are going for $700+ these days. Don't drill and tap or further modify. It's your rifle and your choice in the end, though. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:37:22 PM EDT
[#21]
Damn that’s good deal. I prolly woulda foed too.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:38:09 PM EDT
[#22]
Umm, ya stole it...
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:39:29 PM EDT
[#23]
Get a $100 original stock and it’s $700-$800 rifle even if non-matching.
Robbed the seller OP…. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:48:55 PM EDT
[#24]
Interesting to note that the complete bolt assembly and the trigger guard group #'s appear to be matching with the barrel/receiver being a different serial #. Being a very late war receiver, it might have left the factory this way as they were pulling parts from battlefield damaged rifles. It's a shame that it got "sporterized". If it was mine, I would search for the right stock with the right "look" and patina and not settle for any old K-98 stock...
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:50:00 PM EDT
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To be all correct you would need everything except the barreled action since the rest of the metal is mismatched. The action is a Waffen 135 stamp so that would be what to look for in parts if you go the "correct" route. The byf 45 is a later war gun and the trigger guard etc would be stamped.
The parts are out there but you will end up with a "correct parts guns" still never worth as much as an original matching gun. As others have suggested I'd get a later war cupped butt plate K98 stock and hardware with a matching (in color only) hand guard put a reproduction cleaning rod, front site hood and sling on it and have a fun shooter. Stocks pop up and are over $300. Waffen 135 stock on the bay  https://www.ebay.com/itm/234460038573?hash=item3696e845ad:g:iEIAAOSwfSdiKksT Let me know if you need help finding parts I get lucky on searches sometimes. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:50:20 PM EDT
[#26]
Typical mid-1960s sporterized job. Serial numbers don't all match. If it shoots well, enjoy it and maybe go kill some deer or elk with it. Put a scope on it if it seems worthy. Don't even think about trying to restore it to original condition.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:04:22 PM EDT
[#27]
There are a lot of matching parts, so not a RC
But those parts don't match the receiver, so my guess, it could be somebodys fun project. A parts gun If it has a good bore, get a laminate stock and shoot it. They kick like a mule but are fun to shoot |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:12:11 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless I am Missing something, the barrel hasn't been cut and it hasn't been drilled and tapped for a scope so it is saveable. This is what I'm seeing too. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:47:02 PM EDT
[#29]
Not a K98, but I just traded a chainsaw for this one. Guy said his grandfather made the stock from wood off their property. As has been said, a lot of these ended up as 30.06 elk rifles.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:52:32 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a K98, but I just traded a chainsaw for this one. Guy said his grandfather made the stock from wood off their property. As has been said, a lot of these ended up as 30.06 elk rifles. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240604/D1981843-A572-4CAD-825A-83922023A64B_jpe-2329879.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240604/A136DBB0-9361-4A59-A71F-2630E7F95931_jpe-2329881.JPG I have an old chainsaw if you want to trade.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:57:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have an old chainsaw if you want to trade. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not a K98, but I just traded a chainsaw for this one. Guy said his grandfather made the stock from wood off their property. As has been said, a lot of these ended up as 30.06 elk rifles. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240604/D1981843-A572-4CAD-825A-83922023A64B_jpe-2329879.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240604/A136DBB0-9361-4A59-A71F-2630E7F95931_jpe-2329881.JPG I have an old chainsaw if you want to trade. Anytime I’m selling something, I always ask if they have firearms for trade.  |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:13:35 PM EDT
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Anyone ever try resizing .30-06 brass to 8x57?
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Posted: 3/28/2022 8:56:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone ever try resizing .30-06 brass to 8x57? YouTube has some videos. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 9:23:28 PM EDT
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Checking a few links now...thanks!
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Posted: 3/28/2022 9:45:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mauser produced in 1945 and lightly sporterized. That's all I got. Any 1945 production 98k with un-drilled metal is collectible. OP, wanna sell it? PM Me a price. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 9:47:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Seems pretty simp!e. It's been done since the end of WW2, at least.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 9:47:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a $100 original stock and it’s $700-$800 rifle even if non-matching. Robbed the seller OP…. Could ya point me at a $100 98k stock that isn't bubba'd? |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 9:49:40 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Typical mid-1960s sporterized job. Serial numbers don't all match. If it shoots well, enjoy it and maybe go kill some deer or elk with it. Put a scope on it if it seems worthy. Don't even think about trying to restore it to original condition. Do not listen to this guy. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:07:03 PM EDT
[#39]
Here is my BYF 1944 - you have a very nice rifle. little bit of looking and yours can and should be restored.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:09:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I paid $159 (with tax) for the rifle, so I feel like that was a reasonable deal...  |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:26:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Put it in the appropriate stock and it will look good. +1 Back in the day I would have bought that in a heart beat! I would have contacted Springfield Sporters and ordered a new take off stock and all the hardware, nose caps etc. E gun parts or Numrich might still be around to get parts for it. Maybe even eBay. Er, I’d shoot it first and see if it groups before I spent any money on it. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:37:05 PM EDT
[#42]
That gun has been waiting for you for decades. Restore it
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:54:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That gun has been waiting for you for decades. Restore it Listen to THIS man not the nabobs telling you it’ll never be a collectors item. Restore it and you will have an excellent shooter and reference item. I have a Russian Capture K98 mismatched numbers but it shoots wonderful groups and I don’t care if it will never make it into a museum. I did buy a replacement sight hood for it and a reproduction German K98 sling. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:04:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone ever try resizing .30-06 brass to 8x57? I used imperial sizing wax, you get a long neck to trim. I made a tapered expander to get the necks opened up after trimming. I got 300 reloaded 3006 from an estate.pulled one, charge and bullet weight was right on. Put them in a case gauge. It dropped in. The shoulder was set back at least 30 thousand. They all would have head separated. Always be surspicious of anyones reloads. To salvage the brass i reformed them to 8x57 |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:14:47 PM EDT
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Bolt group looks matching to each other but different from other parts. Maybe a Russian capture. Mauser 1945.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:17:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neat! I paid $159 (with tax) for the rifle, so I feel like that was a reasonable deal... Nice. You're well above the curve even if you decide to drop a couple hundred on a military stock. Worth more than a Russian capture. You'd pay dearly for a proper kriegsmodell stock, if you can find one at all. Any cupped laminate would be fine though. 45 dated stuff is desirable. A lot was destroyed before ever deployed. Crates of new 98k's were used to shore up roads and give traction to tank movements. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:23:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone ever try resizing .30-06 brass to 8x57? Yep, I've got several hundred pieces of -06 that I've resized and trimmed to run in my Mausers. As mentioned, resizing will net you with a decent amount of neck to trim. Other than that its pretty straightforward. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:43:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Typical mid-1960s sporterized job. Serial numbers don't all match. If it shoots well, enjoy it and maybe go kill some deer or elk with it. Put a scope on it if it seems worthy. Don't even think about trying to restore it to original condition. Assuming the safe bet of mid-60s, it's spent more of its existence as a Bubba gun, and while people condemn it, Bubbaed milsurps might start to have their own place in history. Fritz dropped it in 1945 when he surrendered, it sat in a stack for a decade until it got imported, and then Uncle Jimbo used it around the backwoods of Michigan and it put venison on the table from 1958 until 1967 when he gave it to nephew Randall who got a trophy muley out in Montana in 1975 and still shot it until 1978 and left it in the back of the gun safe until he moved to Missouri in 1984 and then sold it to his coworker Greg who used it until 1994 when he sold it and it made its way to Frank's farm, where he used it to blast critters for the better part of a decade until he finally decided he didn't like looking for that old ammo anymore and then he sold it to Smith's Shop in Kansas where it sat on the shelf ignored for a decade until Walt Smith closed up shop and then it changed hands for a while again. I used to hate Bubbaed rifles, and now I think they may be more interesting for their post-war usage. Sure, some got hacked and thrown in a safe, but a lot of them were used for decades to feed families stateside. They're all somebody's grandpa gun at this point. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 8:02:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless I am Missing something, the barrel hasn't been cut and it hasn't been drilled and tapped for a scope so it is saveable. Yeah, the metal looks unmolested. A quick search turns up original German K98 Stock sets on Ebay for $415 (Ow!) and reproduction sets for $225. It depends on what you can buy it for, I assume, but an original configuration German K98 with non-matching numbers has to go for what? $800-1000 now days? Spitballing on the price, I might be low, I suppose. $400 for a stock might not be that bad, all things considered. If I could get it for a reasonable price, I'd be all over it and then I'd be trolling Gunboards and Mauser sites, looking for some wood. (Or buy the ebay stock) I imagine the barrel bands aren't THAT hard to find. ETA - see you already bought it for a great price. Yeah, I'd put that puppy back in military configuration and enjoy it. Might be tempted to get the repo wood, too. She'd look damn good in that stock set. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 8:21:51 AM EDT
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Still has the Nazi markings. I was told the most were ground off before import. Perhaps my source was full of
 I have a K98 un-bubbafied, paid about $300 for it some years ago. |
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