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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:44:08 PM EDT
https://pluralist.com/lucas-gerhard-gun-photo-prison/49999
"A 20-year-old college student in Michigan is facing 20 years in prison for posting a photo of his newly purchased rifle on social media with a caption predicting it would “make snowflakes melt.” 
"Mark Gerhard said the charges were filed because one of his son’s friends showed the post to another student with whom Lucas previously had “political arguments.” The woman “took offense” and told campus officials, he said." "He was free on bail after spending 83 days in jail." |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:45:05 PM EDT
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What?
There has to be more to this story. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:45:34 PM EDT
[#2]
That's ridiculous
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:46:09 PM EDT
[#3]
If that picture and caption are the only "threat" involved in the criminal charge the prosecutor who thinks that meets the elements of a threat needs to be disbarred.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:46:39 PM EDT
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So, what's the real story?
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:47:24 PM EDT
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What? There has to be more to this story. Or else there needs to be swift correction of the justice system 
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:47:40 PM EDT
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Somehow I bet there is more to this story.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:47:57 PM EDT
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So, what's the real story? |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:48:02 PM EDT
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This reeks of fake news and poor reporting.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:49:12 PM EDT
[#9]
I see a police patch in all that junk.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:49:15 PM EDT
[#10]
A2s are so 90s.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:49:58 PM EDT
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Sounds like the state laws in MI. are really screwed up. Is it another democrat/communist's Utopia state up there or what?
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:50:12 PM EDT
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I see a police patch in all that junk. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:50:13 PM EDT
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What? There has to be more to this story. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:50:55 PM EDT
[#14]
Nope. Not for that.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:51:18 PM EDT
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I see a police patch in all that junk. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:51:22 PM EDT
[#16]
In for the rest of the story
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:52:25 PM EDT
[#17]
Yay red flag laws!
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:52:42 PM EDT
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https://pluralist.com/lucas-gerhard-gun-photo-prison/49999 "A 20-year-old college student in Michigan is facing 20 years in prison for posting a photo of his newly purchased rifle on social media with a caption predicting it would “make snowflakes melt.” https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQhmi2hWoAAdp04?format=jpg&name=medium "Mark Gerhard said the charges were filed because one of his son’s friends showed the post to another student with whom Lucas previously had “political arguments.” The woman “took offense” and told campus officials, he said." "He was free on bail after spending 83 days in jail." |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:53:05 PM EDT
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I live 10 miles from where this supposedly happened....I don't think it did.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:53:06 PM EDT
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It looks like police kit. Almost like a pic he found on the interwebs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see a police patch in all that junk. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:54:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:55:31 PM EDT
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What? There has to be more to this story. Nah. I will wait for proof. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:57:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Surely. That cannot be it, or... Nah. I will wait for proof. Looks to be true, something about terroristic threats and vague MI terrorism laws. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 4:58:54 PM EDT
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We trust law enforcement and politicians to protect us when they destroy the 2nd, even though they're already violating the 1st?
(Assuming there's not something else to this story.) |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:00:31 PM EDT
[#25]
We are missing a lot of the story
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:00:34 PM EDT
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What? There has to be more to this story. His dad says that it’s just a matter of being a conservative on a liberal campus. And so far, that’s what it’s looking like. If true, these are scary times |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:00:55 PM EDT
[#27]
He shouldnt have to worry about paying anymore tuition.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:02:21 PM EDT
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Send the evil man to the rape dungeons! He dared disagree with a commie college girl.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:02:36 PM EDT
[#29]
This has to be Bullshit.....
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:03:33 PM EDT
[#30]
Per another article he had "multiple previous contacts" with campus public safety and being red flagged before (reported as a potential spree shooter) but nothing about any actual arrests or formal contact with LE.
Sounds like a guy that's vocal about 2a getting red flagged by someone that doesn't like him for political views https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/02/12/lawmakers-defend-college-student-lucas-gerhard-snapchat-gun-photo/4735548002/ |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:03:45 PM EDT
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Article said he was studying to be LEO. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:03:57 PM EDT
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This has to be Bullshit..... |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:04:44 PM EDT
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Wow, the MI statute sounds unconstitutional as fuck
Sec. 543m. (1) A person is guilty of making a terrorist threat or of making a false report of terrorism if the person does either of the following: (a) Threatens to commit an act of terrorism and communicates the threat to any other person. (b) Knowingly makes a false report of an act of terrorism and communicates the false report to any other person, knowing the report is false. (2) It is not a defense to a prosecution under this section that the defendant did not have the intent or capability of committing the act of terrorism. (3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 20 years or a fine of not more than $20,000.00, or both. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:05:24 PM EDT
[#34]
Bullshit.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:06:22 PM EDT
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https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/02/12/lawmakers-defend-college-student-lucas-gerhard-snapchat-gun-photo/4735548002/ Looks to be true, something about terroristic threats and vague MI terrorism laws. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Surely. That cannot be it, or... Nah. I will wait for proof. Looks to be true, something about terroristic threats and vague MI terrorism laws. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:07:19 PM EDT
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"Mark Gerhard said the charges were filed because one of his son’s friends showed the post to another student with whom Lucas previously had “political arguments.” The woman “took offense” and told campus officials, he said." So what you're saying is, it made a snowflake melt? Quoted:
Wow, the MI statute sounds unconstitutional as fuck Sec. 543m. (1) A person is guilty of making a terrorist threat or of making a false report of terrorism if the person does either of the following: (a) Threatens to commit an act of terrorism and communicates the threat to any other person. (b) Knowingly makes a false report of an act of terrorism and communicates the false report to any other person, knowing the report is false. (2) It is not a defense to a prosecution under this section that the defendant did not have the intent or capability of committing the act of terrorism. (3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 20 years or a fine of not more than $20,000.00, or both. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 5:40:12 PM EDT
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Wow, the MI statute sounds unconstitutional as fuck Sec. 543m. (1) A person is guilty of making a terrorist threat or of making a false report of terrorism if the person does either of the following: (a) Threatens to commit an act of terrorism and communicates the threat to any other person. (b) Knowingly makes a false report of an act of terrorism and communicates the false report to any other person, knowing the report is false. (2) It is not a defense to a prosecution under this section that the defendant did not have the intent or capability of committing the act of terrorism. (3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 20 years or a fine of not more than $20,000.00, or both. While the guy with the gun could be charged with this. Interesting, a law where both parties are guilty. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 6:41:30 PM EDT
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What? There has to be more to this story. Known methheads with Meth don't get that. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 6:46:52 PM EDT
[#39]
Kid is gonna be RICH $$$
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Posted: 2/12/2020 6:54:07 PM EDT
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LANSING (AP) State lawmakers and a gun rights group on Tuesday called for changes to Michigan's terrorism law after a Lake Superior State University student was charged for posting a photo of his rifle on social media and saying it would make "snowflakes melt."
Lucas Gerhard, 20, faces the charge of making a terrorist threat over an incident that occurred in August. The maximum sentence for a conviction on that charge is 20 years in prison. The night before returning to the school for his junior year, Gerhard sent a photo of his newly purchased AR-15 rifle to a group of friends on Snapchat. The text said: "Takin this bad boy up, this outta make the snowflakes melt, aye? And I mean snowflakes as in snow." Republican state Rep. John Reilly of Oakland Township in suburban Detroit is sponsoring new legislation to redefine the crime of making a terrorist threat or making a false report of terrorism. "I never thought our society was so fragile that someone's life could be ruined for telling a joke among friends," said Reilly. "It's a travesty that the county prosecutor charged him with any crime, for something that is clearly and undeniably protected speech under the First Amendment." Reilly was joined by Gerhard's father, Mark a constituent and GOP Rep. Beau LaFave of Iron Mountain at a Tuesday afternoon news conference near the Capitol. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 6:54:49 PM EDT
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What? There has to be more to this story. We terrorist now. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 6:55:24 PM EDT
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...According to court documents, two Lake Superior State students notified the campus' public safety department of the Aug. 22 Snapchat post, and the matter was referred to Sault Ste. Marie police. Public safety officers said they had numerous prior incidents and contacts with Gerhard, including when an anonymous tip was made to a downstate law enforcement warning that he was a potential school shooter.
The university students told police Gerhard had "extreme political views" and they worried about students' safety if he brought the gun to school. Weapons are permitted on campus but must be registered and stored in the public safety department upon arrival on campus. Gerhard checked in his weapon and 240 rounds of ammunition for safe keeping on Aug. 23, the day he arrived at the Upper Peninsula school. Gerhard told an officer that the term "snowflake" referred to people whose political ideology is liberal or Democratic, and making the snowflakes melt meant their "minds melting" when they found out he had brought an AR-15 to school. He said he did not want to harm anyone or himself, and wanted to be a police officer to protect people. He was arrested the following day. Mark Gerhard said one of his son's friends had shown the post to another student with whom Lucas had had some "political arguments." The woman "took offense" and reported it, he said. "I was in disbelief. I couldn't believe the prosecutor had actually decided to press charges," he said, adding that if school officials thought his son was a threat, they would have asked police to intercept him earlier. He described Lucas as a conservative on a liberal campus who defends his beliefs, is "very vocal about" it but "never vindictive about anything, never antagonistic." Gerhard's trial, scheduled for March, may be postponed because he has a new attorney. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 6:55:56 PM EDT
[#43]
All gun owners are terrorists in the eyes of anti-gunners.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 6:57:27 PM EDT
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How is that not a first amendment violation ?
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Posted: 2/12/2020 6:58:47 PM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 2/12/2020 7:02:11 PM EDT
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...According to court documents, two Lake Superior State students notified the campus' public safety department of the Aug. 22 Snapchat post, and the matter was referred to Sault Ste. Marie police. Public safety officers said they had numerous prior incidents and contacts with Gerhard, including when an anonymous tip was made to a downstate law enforcement warning that he was a potential school shooter. The university students told police Gerhard had "extreme political views" and they worried about students' safety if he brought the gun to school. Weapons are permitted on campus but must be registered and stored in the public safety department upon arrival on campus. Gerhard checked in his weapon and 240 rounds of ammunition for safe keeping on Aug. 23, the day he arrived at the Upper Peninsula school. Gerhard told an officer that the term "snowflake" referred to people whose political ideology is liberal or Democratic, and making the snowflakes melt meant their "minds melting" when they found out he had brought an AR-15 to school. He said he did not want to harm anyone or himself, and wanted to be a police officer to protect people. He was arrested the following day. Mark Gerhard said one of his son's friends had shown the post to another student with whom Lucas had had some "political arguments." The woman "took offense" and reported it, he said. "I was in disbelief. I couldn't believe the prosecutor had actually decided to press charges," he said, adding that if school officials thought his son was a threat, they would have asked police to intercept him earlier. He described Lucas as a conservative on a liberal campus who defends his beliefs, is "very vocal about" it but "never vindictive about anything, never antagonistic." Gerhard's trial, scheduled for March, may be postponed because he has a new attorney. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 7:02:12 PM EDT
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On face value, can anyone say - VIII Amendment.
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Posted: 2/12/2020 7:02:29 PM EDT
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LANSING (AP) State lawmakers and a gun rights group on Tuesday called for changes to Michigan's terrorism law after a Lake Superior State University student was charged for posting a photo of his rifle on social media and saying it would make "snowflakes melt." Lucas Gerhard, 20, faces the charge of making a terrorist threat over an incident that occurred in August. The maximum sentence for a conviction on that charge is 20 years in prison. The night before returning to the school for his junior year, Gerhard sent a photo of his newly purchased AR-15 rifle to a group of friends on Snapchat. The text said: "Takin this bad boy up, this outta make the snowflakes melt, aye? And I mean snowflakes as in snow." Republican state Rep. John Reilly of Oakland Township in suburban Detroit is sponsoring new legislation to redefine the crime of making a terrorist threat or making a false report of terrorism. "I never thought our society was so fragile that someone's life could be ruined for telling a joke among friends," said Reilly. "It's a travesty that the county prosecutor charged him with any crime, for something that is clearly and undeniably protected speech under the First Amendment." Reilly was joined by Gerhard's father, Mark a constituent and GOP Rep. Beau LaFave of Iron Mountain at a Tuesday afternoon news conference near the Capitol. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 7:04:42 PM EDT
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How is that not a first amendment violation ? That's how. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 7:05:40 PM EDT
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