You can't really be that dense, can you?

Allow Mr. Thomas Jefferson to help elaborate:

"It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

Smart man, he was.

Similarly, an unattributed quote of a similar nature:

“Your right to swing your arms ends just where the other man’s nose begins.”

If you fail to grasp the concept, perhaps you're not smart enough to safely own firearms either.

Fair assessment.

Im not really for or against , honestly. I have never seen an American state with full on legalization or “close enough “ legal penalties to come to an accurate conclusion. My gut says dumpster fire . I think we will be finding out in the near future. Edit - rampant drug use with little to no oversight or enforcement coupled with an economic downturn and social upheaval is a recipe for fucking disaster. Edit edit- unchecked immigration from south of the border will also mean a literal drug superhighway on steroids. This could be interesting. I did not vote for Joe Biden .

It's already berserk.

In my opinion, nothing will change. Portland will remain Portland, and rural Oregon will remain rural Oregon.

Just business as usual, except for perhaps lightening the workload of the jail and court systems.

Just curious, but how is that any different from the current state of affairs in just about every inner city in the nation?

Is this what a typical drive down a street in O-re-gone and Puret-landia is gonna be in a few months?

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It already is.

To give you an idea most people are taking 1-2 hits or in this case units
4-6 hits is a extreme dose, go beyond 6 and there’s a chance your not returning to normal brain function
Micro dosing is also very popular for people that like to work through a high, like say a tenth of a dose

40 hits is pure drug dealer status
Like having more than one 8 ball of cocain

Good maybe it will lure some fuckheads away from CO

Yet we can't buy Sudafed over the counter....

On the bright side, now you can just go straight to the meth!

Oh no! Now there will be drugs in Oregon!

The DA here never filed on drug charges anyways

It's not an activity I recommend, but I'm not naive enough to think sayin "No, it's illegal! M-O-O-N that spells ill-EGAL!" is going to do anything but make dealing more rewarding, and constitute a minor speed bump on the road to scoring for a user, while spewing unintended consequences out like a fireworks cone.

I don't think you are on the train tracks.

Sudafed from Meth Scientific  American


If you’re interested in learning more about the work of senior author I.B. Hakkenshit, his papers seem to be all over the place.....

Thanks for that!

That's a great argument the left uses for gun control.

I didn't see Angel Dust on the list

BuT mY LiBeRtArIaNiSm!

I had to research this, so it may be inaccurate. TL;DR...  Typical recreational uses seem to be about 1/4th to 1/8th the allowable limits and even heavy abusers have no reason to have as much shit on hand as they seem to be allowed by the new law. Also, LSD sounds fuckin awesome and overdose potential is almost nonexistent.

Pure uncut Heroin: 5mg is a low dose for someone with no tolerance, 500mg as a daily maximum for someone highly tolerant

MDMA typical dose without need to re-dosing for maximum effect and minimum undesirable effect is 125mg. You can do more, but the undesirable effects start to ruin the fun.

Meth: a recreational meth user might smoke a bowl of 100mg whereas a 250mg bowl would be full on tweaker status. No idea about snorting/eating/injecting

Cocaine: A snorted dose is 30-70mg... more if you’re a Cuban immigrant drug lord gearing up for a rampage.  An injected dose is about 1/2-2/3 the snorted dose. A smoked dose of crack is between 15-50mg.  In terms of intensity of high is: injected coke > smoked crack >>> snorted coke.  Highs are typically <1hr so frequent re-dosing is common.

LSD: 1 good “hit” or blotter is about 1ug (.001mg).  Obviously, shitty acid has less dose per hit.  Micro-dosing less than 1 hit produces some good feelings and heaviness.  It appears people start to enjoy the psychedelic effects around 1-2 hits. Brighter colors, trailing visuals, rippling surfaces. More than 1 hit is likely to freakout inexperienced people.  3-4 hits can be profound and life changing experiences “Tripping”, Out of body experience, time distortion, Sensory mixup  (seeing sounds, hearing colors, etc)... You should consider a designated babysitter to be sure you don’t hurt yourself. 5-7 hits is tripping balls, time stopping, having conversations with inanimate objects, etc.  10-15 hits (1-1.5mg) is apparently an indescribable absurd amount, no new/different effects from previous, just more intense and longer lasting and very few people drop acid this hard.  

Shrooms (dried): Low Dose: 0.5 - 2 grams; Moderate Dose: 2 - 3.5 grams; High Dose: 3.5 - 5 grams and above.  Somewhat similar to LSD, except with more vomiting.

Methodone: 50-250mg daily depending on body weight and tolerance. Tablets vary; 10, 20, 40mg

Oxycodone: a highly tolerant user might take 8-12 tablets per day: usually 5 or 10mg oxy per tablet. The limiting factor is usually the acetaminophen also contained in the pills... usually 325mg per tablet.

I didn’t say that at all.  All I’ve pointed out is that if one ascribed to the philosophy “my body, my choice—I can do whatever I want to it” must also ascribe to “my body my responsibility to take care of it.” One cannot day the state has no role in how you live your life and at the same time insist that the state must take care of you and be logically consistent.  It really doesn’t matter if legalization increases or decreases use or welfare roles—it is fundamentally unjust to force those who choose to be clean and sober productive members of society to support those who choose poorly.

If you have all of that at the same time, is it one ticket or 8 tickets?

Anyone that wants to be doing any of those drugs already is.

This is a step in the right direction.  

I think removing the social stigma surrounding some of this stuff would probably lead to more moderate use for a lot of people and a lot more options if they wanted to get away from it.

Lol.

Exactly.  Legalize drugs, remove the “safety net,” and it becomes a self correcting problem.

good

this will stop putting people into the legal system and costing tax payer money to keep them in prison and paying public defenders AND preventing them from ODing.  Let them kill themselves.

Instead of being an "epidemic" it will become a self correcting problem.

That's hilariously stupid.   All of it.

Drone delivery.

Slipped into the coffee, could really liven up the next City Council meeting.

As Nitche said, a difference that makes no difference IS no difference.

- This is also profoundly comical.   There will be an explosion of government funded 'programs' to "help lift them out of dependency" not let them kill themselves.  "Look at Meth-Head Molly's two little girls, both are suffering because Molly is an addict. How can the most wealthy society in the world leave these children behind".   They will be shockingly ineffective and yet after a few years, all but impossible to be rid of.

Honestly... have people not been awake the last 40 years or what?  



I'm not arguing for or against legalization here.  Both have some merit and serious drawbacks.

Drug use does indeed equal freedom.  In fact, all kinds of drugs are perfectly legal, if you get a prescription, or Uncle Sam gets their cut,a s with alcohol and tobacco.

Freedom also entails the right to shoot a drugee in the face should they attempt to assault you or steal your stuff.

Let us all be free.

This place is full of such hypocrites.

"Muh Second Amendment!"

- same person -

"I don't give a fuck what the Constitution says.  I like my federal public land that the government isn't authorized to own!"

LOL....40 units of LSD is a lot!  

I'm for freedom, but if you are going to legalize shit like that, you have to be prepared to never give the junkies a single cent of tax payer money.  

Yo, Einstein -

We have all of that NOW.  The failed War On Drugs hasn't stopped, or even slowed down, any of that.

The solution to that is not to keep fighting drug use.  Rather, one shoudl end the welfare state.  Fight the real enemy!

A .45 to the face kinda solves that problem without the expense of incarceration or a trial.

Well, its barnbtw, so ...

Where in the Constitution was the Federal government authorized to regulate what a person does, or does not, put in their body?

Which is the opposite of freedom, is it not?

Not my job, or yours, to make that decision for other people. 

For businesses, absolutely. It's just as bad as Affirmative Action quotas in my opinion.

What I meant was that the law was not created with the specific intent to limit the freedom of the customer to pump their own gas, that was simply a means to an end to forcibly create new jobs that were entirely unnecessary.

How so?

Prescription narcotics, alcohol, and tobacco are all drugs, are they not?

Aren't some people capable of using drugs and still maintaining a productive lifestyle, just as some people are functioning alcoholics?

Isn't addiction to legal drugs like prescription narcotics or alcohol able to control or ruin a person's life, the same as illegal drugs are?

Which do you think is more common in the US; alcoholism or drug addiction?

Is one somehow better than the other?

I just want to see the videos.

For those of you that think this is going to save money,  Quite the opposite.  The amount of taxes dumped into BS social programs is going to be a mountain compared to the money spent on your mythical "drug war" .

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