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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:55:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:56:45 PM EDT
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Who's gonna be FJBs?
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:02:15 PM EDT
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The only Jew who had the significant favor of Stalin. He not only outlived all of the Stalin cohort, he died at age 97, almost long enough to see the fall of the Soviet Union.
Murderous, devoted Stalinist. But he built the Moscow subway! |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:04:24 PM EDT
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Stalin was so fucking evil. He thought he needed to slaughter his own army and population to get everyone's minds and energies focused on their own personal survival, not on how to overthrow him.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:06:50 PM EDT
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A parallel theme: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-Soviet-Story-graphic-/5-2409930/
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:09:17 PM EDT
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If you've got some time, this is a really good podcast by the world's leading scholar on Stalin, who really needs a better tailor.
 Why Does Joseph Stalin Matter? |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:09:39 PM EDT
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I take great satisfaction in the fact that Germany literally killed MILLIONS of Soviet troops. Russia, today, should have more than twice the population that they currently have. Fuck USSR.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:12:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I take great satisfaction in the fact that Germany literally killed MILLIONS of Soviet troops. Russia, today, should have more than twice the population that they currently have. Fuck USSR. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:14:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's incredible is that Stalin killed off most of his officers before the war with Germany started. Maybe Stalin and Hitler placed bets on who could get the most Russians killed? 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:24:59 PM EDT
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I once knew a woman who was a girl in Stalin's pre war USSR. They had nothing to eat.
She was captured by the Nazis during the war and spent the duration mending soldier's clothing in a concentration camp. Fuck Stalin and fuck Nazis. And I bitch when my internet is slow. 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:29:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's incredible is that Stalin killed off most of his officers before the war with Germany started. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I take great satisfaction in the fact that Germany literally killed MILLIONS of Soviet troops. Russia, today, should have more than twice the population that they currently have. Fuck USSR. That, and take a look at Operation Barbarossa . Even Germany was bewildered that USSR suffered and continued to suffer such astronomical loss of Human life, and the Red Army continued to throw their men into the meat grinder.  I'll bet published historical loss of life is inaccurate. We'll never know just how many men were really killed. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:34:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That, and take a look at Operation Barbarossa . Even Germany was bewildered that USSR suffered and continued to suffer such astronomical loss of Human life, and the Red Army continued to throw their men into the meat grinder. I'll bet published historical loss of life is inaccurate. We'll never know just how many men were really killed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I take great satisfaction in the fact that Germany literally killed MILLIONS of Soviet troops. Russia, today, should have more than twice the population that they currently have. Fuck USSR. That, and take a look at Operation Barbarossa . Even Germany was bewildered that USSR suffered and continued to suffer such astronomical loss of Human life, and the Red Army continued to throw their men into the meat grinder. I'll bet published historical loss of life is inaccurate. We'll never know just how many men were really killed. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:36:49 PM EDT
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Screaming in Hell...
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:37:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's incredible is that Stalin killed off most of his officers before the war with Germany started. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I take great satisfaction in the fact that Germany literally killed MILLIONS of Soviet troops. Russia, today, should have more than twice the population that they currently have. Fuck USSR. Yes and I have always wondered what WW2 might have been if he had not made that critical blunder. Could be that Germany would have been quickly overwhelmed and the Soviets take over europe, make peace with Britan/US and they would have owned the whole fucking thing. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:43:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That, and take a look at Operation Barbarossa . Even Germany was bewildered that USSR suffered and continued to suffer such astronomical loss of Human life, and the Red Army continued to throw their men into the meat grinder. I'll bet published historical loss of life is inaccurate. We'll never know just how many men were really killed. https://youtu.be/7Clz27nghIg War college lecture on German Soviet War. Numbers are fucking staggering. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:46:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember reading somewhere Stalin was amazed the allies responded to his demands to open up western fronts in Italy and France. Because if he was in their position, he'd let Germany destroy the USSR first before invading Europe. We definitely should have done that. What a golden opportunity to let Hitler kill off the USSR. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I take great satisfaction in the fact that Germany literally killed MILLIONS of Soviet troops. Russia, today, should have more than twice the population that they currently have. Fuck USSR. That, and take a look at Operation Barbarossa . Even Germany was bewildered that USSR suffered and continued to suffer such astronomical loss of Human life, and the Red Army continued to throw their men into the meat grinder. I'll bet published historical loss of life is inaccurate. We'll never know just how many men were really killed. I agree, and I may catch a little shit for what I'm about to say, but I liked Germany a hell of a lot more than Russia, from that time period. No lend lease to USSR, and Russia may have collapsed. Hitler screwed up by attacking France and England, plus he had to bail out Mussolini, also another idiot. Such is history. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:53:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://youtu.be/7Clz27nghIg War college lecture on German Soviet War. Numbers are fucking staggering. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That, and take a look at Operation Barbarossa . Even Germany was bewildered that USSR suffered and continued to suffer such astronomical loss of Human life, and the Red Army continued to throw their men into the meat grinder. I'll bet published historical loss of life is inaccurate. We'll never know just how many men were really killed. https://youtu.be/7Clz27nghIg War college lecture on German Soviet War. Numbers are fucking staggering. Tagged to watch later!  The Soviet-German War, 1941-1945: Myths and Realities |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:02:04 PM EDT
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And yet, America just "elected" a socialist to be president. Let's hope history does not repeat itself. kwg |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:12:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:23:08 PM EDT
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OST
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:32:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember reading somewhere Stalin was amazed the allies responded to his demands to open up western fronts in Italy and France. Because if he was in their position, he'd let Germany destroy the USSR first before invading Europe. We definitely should have done that. What a golden opportunity to let Hitler kill off the USSR. The Soviets would have bled the Germans and we would have had a much easier time invading Europe, the Germans would have killed lots of Soviets and destroyed much of the USSR, they would have been less of a threat after the war. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:38:56 PM EDT
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I don't think we saw the Soviets for the threat they were.
Plus I bet we didn't want to risk the Germans getting their hands on the resources of Russia. Not to mention if they got the Russians to fight alongside them, who knows if we could have beaten them. Wonder if that was what worried them? |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:50:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think we saw the Soviets for the threat they were. Plus I bet we didn't want to risk the Germans getting their hands on the resources of Russia. Not to mention if they got the Russians to fight alongside them, who knows if we could have beaten them. Wonder if that was what worried them? https://y.yarn.co/035b22f5-34ad-4468-86ea-c59585cceec6.mp4 |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:50:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet, America just "elected" a socialist to be president. Let's hope history does not repeat itself. kwg
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:00:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember reading somewhere Stalin was amazed the allies responded to his demands to open up western fronts in Italy and France. Because if he was in their position, he'd let Germany destroy the USSR first before invading Europe. We definitely should have done that. What a golden opportunity to let Hitler kill off the USSR. FDR was a shitbag commie lover |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:08:30 PM EDT
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Could be that Germany would have been quickly overwhelmed and the Soviets take over europe, make peace with Britan/US and they would have owned the whole fucking thing. Hitler was too much of an egomaniac, and his early successes in France only emboldened him. If he'd been smart, his first goal would have been to ensure that the US isn't dragged directly into the war....meaning, he has to work out a pact where Japan doesn't attack Pearl and instead focuses on Russia. Its unlikely the Japanese would have been able to accomplish much, but it would have forced Stalin to defend two fronts. Prior to this though, Hitler has to stop at the Channel after defeating & demoralizing the French. No air raids/bombing raids over Britain, he has to immediately negotiate a peace with the British and then turn his entire focus on Russia. Once pushing East, he has to go through the Ukraine as a liberator, not a murderous/raping thug. The Ukrainians would have welcomed a liberating force, and would have actively taken up arms against Stalin. Push through to Moscow, and he likely takes the country...after that, he has all the living space he can stand, he can share natural resources with the Japanese, and the US never moves troops across the Atlantic. Of course, there are a lot of unknowns with this plan, but it makes you wonder. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:22:03 PM EDT
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A lot of what ifs.
Russia was backwards, ignorant and poor. Hitler turned then into a world power. What if Hitler had been killed in July 1944? What if the allies had decided not to allow the Soviets to take over half of Europe? Hitler thought himself a genius, caused millions of needless German casualties and should have let his Generals run the war. And let them quit when they knew it was over, instead of allowing the country to be destroyed. France and England declared war, then did nothing. Hitler should have settled that before going into the Soviet Union. Or not gone in at all. They were spread thin early on there. The memoirs I read from that place and time amaze me in how educated, sophisticated and well off the people in Germany were before the war. If they are to be believed, most soldiers went to war for Germany to fight communists and save Europe from Bolshevism. And not to be involved in any of the rest of it. The National Socialists were bad people. But the savagery of the Soviets, to the Germans, civilians and their own people, was on a whole other level. What if National Socialism was defeated and Germany saved? |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:32:28 PM EDT
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hmmm... A little Burzum in the soundtrack.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:34:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, and I may catch a little shit for what I'm about to say, but I liked Germany a hell of a lot more than Russia, from that time period. No lend lease to USSR, and Russia may have collapsed. Hitler screwed up by attacking France and England, plus he had to bail out Mussolini, also another idiot. Such is history. No bombing campaign, those thousands of 88's in the West are moved farther east to annihilate tank spearheads. The Russians are still standing in 46' but they are a shell of a nation when the Allies come steamrolling. They finish the war as the scattered trailer park of Europe. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:19:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, and I may catch a little shit for what I'm about to say, but I liked Germany a hell of a lot more than Russia, from that time period. No lend lease to USSR, and Russia may have collapsed. Hitler screwed up by attacking France and England, plus he had to bail out Mussolini, also another idiot. Such is history. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I take great satisfaction in the fact that Germany literally killed MILLIONS of Soviet troops. Russia, today, should have more than twice the population that they currently have. Fuck USSR. That, and take a look at Operation Barbarossa . Even Germany was bewildered that USSR suffered and continued to suffer such astronomical loss of Human life, and the Red Army continued to throw their men into the meat grinder. I'll bet published historical loss of life is inaccurate. We'll never know just how many men were really killed. I agree, and I may catch a little shit for what I'm about to say, but I liked Germany a hell of a lot more than Russia, from that time period. No lend lease to USSR, and Russia may have collapsed. Hitler screwed up by attacking France and England, plus he had to bail out Mussolini, also another idiot. Such is history. Nah. People over-estimate the impact of the Lend Lease program. The reality is, the USSR had already won Stalingrad and had turned the tide before Lend Lease really started having an impact. The Germans never even made up their losses in 1941, and after Stalingrad the best the Germans could have hoped for would have been a stalemate somewhere to the east of Prussia. Had the Allies let the Germans and USSR fight it out without assisting the Russians, then it would have probably taken the Russians another year or two to finish the war. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:31:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember reading somewhere Stalin was amazed the allies responded to his demands to open up western fronts in Italy and France. Because if he was in their position, he'd let Germany destroy the USSR first before invading Europe. We definitely should have done that. What a golden opportunity to let Hitler kill off the USSR. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I take great satisfaction in the fact that Germany literally killed MILLIONS of Soviet troops. Russia, today, should have more than twice the population that they currently have. Fuck USSR. That, and take a look at Operation Barbarossa . Even Germany was bewildered that USSR suffered and continued to suffer such astronomical loss of Human life, and the Red Army continued to throw their men into the meat grinder. I'll bet published historical loss of life is inaccurate. We'll never know just how many men were really killed. We should have cut off all Lend Lease after July 1944. FFDR and his commie cohorts. 
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:34:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stalin was so fucking evil. He thought he needed to slaughter his own army and population to get everyone's minds and energies focused on their own personal survival, not on how to overthrow him. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:39:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I take great satisfaction in the fact that Germany literally killed MILLIONS of Soviet troops. Russia, today, should have more than twice the population that they currently have. Fuck USSR. Stalin had a cure for that....Starvation.....Around four to seven million in the (pre-planned) Ukrainian Famine alone. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 11:40:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He actually learned that from Lenin. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Stalin was so fucking evil. He thought he needed to slaughter his own army and population to get everyone's minds and energies focused on their own personal survival, not on how to overthrow him. However, Stalin moved quickly to establish control/political power after the death of Lenin. The following decades of purges evidence Lenin's words. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 12:05:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hitler was too much of an egomaniac, and his early successes in France only emboldened him. If he'd been smart, his first goal would have been to ensure that the US isn't dragged directly into the war....meaning, he has to work out a pact where Japan doesn't attack Pearl and instead focuses on Russia. Its unlikely the Japanese would have been able to accomplish much, but it would have forced Stalin to defend two fronts. Prior to this though, Hitler has to stop at the Channel after defeating & demoralizing the French. No air raids/bombing raids over Britain, he has to immediately negotiate a peace with the British and then turn his entire focus on Russia. Once pushing East, he has to go through the Ukraine as a liberator, not a murderous/raping thug. The Ukrainians would have welcomed a liberating force, and would have actively taken up arms against Stalin. Push through to Moscow, and he likely takes the country...after that, he has all the living space he can stand, he can share natural resources with the Japanese, and the US never moves troops across the Atlantic. Of course, there are a lot of unknowns with this plan, but it makes you wonder. Quote HistoryQuoted: Could be that Germany would have been quickly overwhelmed and the Soviets take over europe, make peace with Britan/US and they would have owned the whole fucking thing. Hitler was too much of an egomaniac, and his early successes in France only emboldened him. If he'd been smart, his first goal would have been to ensure that the US isn't dragged directly into the war....meaning, he has to work out a pact where Japan doesn't attack Pearl and instead focuses on Russia. Its unlikely the Japanese would have been able to accomplish much, but it would have forced Stalin to defend two fronts. Prior to this though, Hitler has to stop at the Channel after defeating & demoralizing the French. No air raids/bombing raids over Britain, he has to immediately negotiate a peace with the British and then turn his entire focus on Russia. Once pushing East, he has to go through the Ukraine as a liberator, not a murderous/raping thug. The Ukrainians would have welcomed a liberating force, and would have actively taken up arms against Stalin. Push through to Moscow, and he likely takes the country...after that, he has all the living space he can stand, he can share natural resources with the Japanese, and the US never moves troops across the Atlantic. Of course, there are a lot of unknowns with this plan, but it makes you wonder. The Japs tried that in August of 39 and got their clocks cleaned by the Soviets. That's the entire reason they had to turn to Indochina for resources and on a direct course for conflict with the US. |
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