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Posted: 7/19/2022 2:06:23 PM EDT
North of McKinney Tx about 4 miles up on FM 2933. Apparently happened last Friday, but I didn’t know when I stopped to check Sunday. Apparently no injuries and a single occupant. Tragic loss of an iconic aircraft and very curious/ strange crash site. Aircraft is pointed west and couple hundred yards from the north/south grass strip. I couldn’t find any scratch marks in the field, it’s like it was just dropped there.
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Posted: 7/19/2022 3:10:51 PM EDT
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No flaps? Wheel landing gone nose in maybe.
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Posted: 7/20/2022 1:41:31 PM EDT
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I watched a Lance with a stuck landing gear stall it in just short of the runway into a soybean field. He was less than 100’ and decided to kill the engine to try and save some $$. Didn’t work out well for him. When I flew over the crash site the next day he had come to a stop in the distance of one wingspan. |
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Posted: 7/20/2022 8:01:51 PM EDT
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In the endless battle between the Earth and aluminum, the Earth has yet to lose. Look at cars that hit trees and telephone poles.....it will be a scratch on the wood a lot of bent steel. Nature is amazing.
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:43:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No flaps? Wheel landing gone nose in maybe. I use full flaps for wheel landings. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 8:40:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched a Lance with a stuck landing gear stall it in just short of the runway into a soybean field. He was less than 100’ and decided to kill the engine to try and save some $$. Didn’t work out well for him. When I flew over the crash site the next day he had come to a stop in the distance of one wingspan. It never ceases to amaze me how idiotic some people are...save a few bucks lol. The difference between the zero and hero in these situations is a fine line. Number 1 goal is getting everyone on the ground alive and in good health, everything else is a bonus. Don't fuck up the first thing trying to get the bonus stuff. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 9:28:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It never ceases to amaze me how idiotic some people are...save a few bucks lol. The difference between the zero and hero in these situations is a fine line. Number 1 goal is getting everyone on the ground alive and in good health, everything else is a bonus. Don't fuck up the first thing trying to get the bonus stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I watched a Lance with a stuck landing gear stall it in just short of the runway into a soybean field. He was less than 100’ and decided to kill the engine to try and save some $$. Didn’t work out well for him. When I flew over the crash site the next day he had come to a stop in the distance of one wingspan. It never ceases to amaze me how idiotic some people are...save a few bucks lol. The difference between the zero and hero in these situations is a fine line. Number 1 goal is getting everyone on the ground alive and in good health, everything else is a bonus. Don't fuck up the first thing trying to get the bonus stuff. Part of the problem is that at least some gear issues are caused by having previously rejected a recommendation that some work be done on the retraction system (told that it's not yet to the point of being unairworthy, but it's getting there), because they wanted to save some money on an inspection. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:37:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched a Lance with a stuck landing gear stall it in just short of the runway into a soybean field. He was less than 100’ and decided to kill the engine to try and save some $$. Didn’t work out well for him. When I flew over the crash site the next day he had come to a stop in the distance of one wingspan. At least it was discernible what he was trying to do. This just doesn’t make any sense. Not in landing configuration. No where near the runway nor oriented in the right direction. No skid marks. Granted it doesn’t mean the plane didn’t ground loop, but I couldn’t find where it did. Does the prop look to have been spinning on impact? I would say yes. I’m not a pilot, just a mild enthusiast. The only thing that makes sense to me (who knows nothing) is it lost power and the pilot stalled it just before the landing. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 3:44:12 PM EDT
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Ratchet strap is interesting.
No prop strike marks at all huh? Could be under the fuselage. ETA: N5292G See flight aware data and flight path here.  |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 5:45:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least it was discernible what he was trying to do. This just doesn’t make any sense. Not in landing configuration. No where near the runway nor oriented in the right direction. No skid marks. Granted it doesn’t mean the plane didn’t ground loop, but I couldn’t find where it did. Does the prop look to have been spinning on impact? I would say yes. I’m not a pilot, just a mild enthusiast. The only thing that makes sense to me (who knows nothing) is it lost power and the pilot stalled it just before the landing. Yes. But the engine wasn’t making power. |
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Posted: 7/21/2022 5:48:54 PM EDT
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Is that the same model aircraft that was landed on a carrier from a Vietnam guy? Or do I have my history mixed up?
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Posted: 7/21/2022 8:57:27 PM EDT
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The two sets of bolts in the last picture drive me nuts. I would not have signed off on those safeties.
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Posted: 7/22/2022 9:33:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that the same model aircraft that was landed on a carrier from a Vietnam guy? Or do I have my history mixed up? That happened. You are correct. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 6:44:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At least it was discernible what he was trying to do. This just doesn’t make any sense. Not in landing configuration. No where near the runway nor oriented in the right direction. No skid marks. Granted it doesn’t mean the plane didn’t ground loop, but I couldn’t find where it did. Does the prop look to have been spinning on impact? I would say yes. I’m not a pilot, just a mild enthusiast. The only thing that makes sense to me (who knows nothing) is it lost power and the pilot stalled it just before the landing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I watched a Lance with a stuck landing gear stall it in just short of the runway into a soybean field. He was less than 100’ and decided to kill the engine to try and save some $$. Didn’t work out well for him. When I flew over the crash site the next day he had come to a stop in the distance of one wingspan. At least it was discernible what he was trying to do. This just doesn’t make any sense. Not in landing configuration. No where near the runway nor oriented in the right direction. No skid marks. Granted it doesn’t mean the plane didn’t ground loop, but I couldn’t find where it did. Does the prop look to have been spinning on impact? I would say yes. I’m not a pilot, just a mild enthusiast. The only thing that makes sense to me (who knows nothing) is it lost power and the pilot stalled it just before the landing. Looks to me like the prop wasn't swinging well. Like the engine wasn't making power or very little of it. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 7:52:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks to me like the prop wasn't swinging well. Like the engine wasn't making power or very little of it. Okay thanks. That explains a lot actually. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 7:52:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. But the engine wasn’t making power. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At least it was discernible what he was trying to do. This just doesn’t make any sense. Not in landing configuration. No where near the runway nor oriented in the right direction. No skid marks. Granted it doesn’t mean the plane didn’t ground loop, but I couldn’t find where it did. Does the prop look to have been spinning on impact? I would say yes. I’m not a pilot, just a mild enthusiast. The only thing that makes sense to me (who knows nothing) is it lost power and the pilot stalled it just before the landing. Yes. But the engine wasn’t making power. That would explain a lot. I really appreciate your input. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 4:44:14 AM EDT
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Loss? Looks repairable to me. Replace the right gear strut, engine teardown and inspect, new prop, maybe some light sheet metal work on the right wingtip and she'll be flying again.
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Posted: 7/24/2022 5:55:29 AM EDT
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This one is a heartbreaker
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Posted: 7/24/2022 11:47:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Loss? Looks repairable to me. Replace the right gear strut, engine teardown and inspect, new prop, maybe some light sheet metal work on the right wingtip and she'll be flying again. Need to carefully go over the firewall and engine mount to check for any indications of damage, along with the wing spars, wing attach points, wing struts, and the structure near the damaged gear leg. It may in fact be relatively easy to repair the airframe, but 'hidden damage' can quickly complicate things, when you start noticing new wrinkles and straight parts that are no longer straight. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 3:34:21 PM EDT
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Several things are noteworthy from the photos, but this is not meant to be an accurate accident sequence, only things that stand out.
The broken engine mounts, right wing damage, cockpit twisted off to the right side, and the collapsed right gear coupled with the lack of tracks on the ground should make a good investigator look elsewhere for the first point of contact (perhaps trees near by?). It looks like the aircraft may have struck the ground as it entered a very low altitude stall/spin. The prop damage is consistent with a prop on trees/crops/grass contact. Not seeing any crime scene tape, or other indications of an official response would also lead me to consider the possibility that the pilot/passengers left the scene after the crash, perhaps to hide the cause of the accident. That's is impossible to know based on the available photographic evidence in this thread. The ratchet straps appear to show that the airplane has been secured post crash. If I we're the investigating officer/FAA. One of the things I would do is process it like a crime scene for fingerprints/DNA samples/other evidence of criminal activity. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 4:26:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Several things are noteworthy from the photos, but this is not meant to be an accurate accident sequence, only things that stand out. The broken engine mounts, right wing damage, cockpit twisted off to the right side, and the collapsed right gear coupled with the lack of tracks on the ground should make a good investigator look elsewhere for the first point of contact (perhaps trees near by?). It looks like the aircraft may have struck the ground as it entered a very low altitude stall/spin. The prop damage is consistent with a prop on trees/crops/grass contact. Not seeing any crime scene tape, or other indications of an official response would also lead me to consider the possibility that the pilot/passengers left the scene after the crash, perhaps to hide the cause of the accident. That's is impossible to know based on the available photographic evidence in this thread. The ratchet straps appear to show that the airplane has been secured post crash. If I we're the investigating officer/FAA. One of the things I would do is process it like a crime scene for fingerprints/DNA samples/other evidence of criminal activity. Yeah,it's pretty obvious the plane was flying drugs or illegals so they had to unass the area. |
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Posted: 7/24/2022 4:48:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2022 5:11:53 PM EDT
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The person was trying to land on the "road" behind the picture. Right wing dipped and they did a bounce/ cork screw. Did a full flip over, landing in the field.
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Posted: 7/24/2022 6:26:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The person was trying to land on the "road" behind the picture. Right wing dipped and they did a bounce/ cork screw. Did a full flip over, landing in the field. Landing TS63, private strip.  Attached File |
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