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Posted: 11/24/2022 5:33:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you actually mic’d and tested them? Because we did back then, and rarely got one under .003” or with the right tension. Great guns once tuned properly. They would “run.” Once tuned, they ran really well. This is not new information, been out there for decades and well known. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, every gun did not come that way. I never had a single Kimber with an out of spec bushing or a too-loose extractor. Have you actually mic’d and tested them? Because we did back then, and rarely got one under .003” or with the right tension. Great guns once tuned properly. They would “run.” Once tuned, they ran really well. This is not new information, been out there for decades and well known. And yet it isn't so. Mine ran perfectly and were incredibly accurate. Can't speak for all of them but your statement that every single Kimber had those two problems is inaccurate. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 5:35:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No idea what kind of matches you are talking about ,but both my eclipse 45, and stainless target 2 9mm have made it through several uspsa seasons without issue.One of my good friends shot a kimber for years in SS, and made grand Master with it.I own 3 kimbers myself, and they have been very good reliable pistols.My eclipse even has the external extractor that everyone seemed to have problems with.I own a 9mm,10mm, and a 45 acp. One persons subjective opinion can not be trumped by your factual reality! This is GD, fight to the death over brands and calibers!!! 
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Posted: 11/24/2022 5:37:22 PM EDT
[#3]
I won't own anything made in Yonkers, NY
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Posted: 11/24/2022 5:40:38 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s arctic about it? I would probably rather have one of those $300 TISAs. White frame. They make some nice looking pistols, but that isn't one of them. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 5:43:52 PM EDT
[#5]
According to GD unless it's made by Mr. Glock himself then yes they suck . That said my Tactical Pro 2 has ran flawlessly for thousands of rounds. Can't say the same for the pos Baer I had .
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Posted: 11/24/2022 5:48:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Just know that that there's an above average chance you might need to send it back for warranty work on any newer kimbers.
The plus side is that they often do a free trigger job and even send an extra mag back after fixing a gun. It seems like their warranty department is a lot better than the manufacturing floor If you have a good Kimber dealer near you, you can probably get something used that may have already been "fixed" with more features for similar money. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 5:49:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you actually mic’d and tested them? Because we did back then, and rarely got one under .003” or with the right tension. Great guns once tuned properly. They would “run.” Once tuned, they ran really well. This is not new information, been out there for decades and well known. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No, every gun did not come that way. I never had a single Kimber with an out of spec bushing or a too-loose extractor. Have you actually mic’d and tested them? Because we did back then, and rarely got one under .003” or with the right tension. Great guns once tuned properly. They would “run.” Once tuned, they ran really well. This is not new information, been out there for decades and well known. They would “run” but once tuned they ran “really well”?? Idk. To me a pistol either runs or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t choke, how do you make it choke even less”?? If it’s brass to the forehead I get it. Other than that how do you tune a pistol to be more reliable if it’s already reliable? The early guns were spectacular. The later guns are hit and miss but still more hit than miss. Examples of one notwithstanding. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 5:51:35 PM EDT
[#8]
Shouldn't it have a polar bear or an igloo engraved on it or something?
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Posted: 11/24/2022 5:56:09 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a Kimber Carry II, it ran fine. My Pro Carry II has been flawless. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 6:00:33 PM EDT
[#10]
Can I hate on Kimber here?
Ultra CDP II has never not sucked ever since I bought it new - it went in the safe a dozen years ago and has not left it since. I don’t even remember what the final straw was - maybe it was the umpteenth FTE or maybe it was something else - was I perhaps limp wristing it? But none of my other pistols have had such problems. Never again… |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 6:00:43 PM EDT
[#11]
Do they even fix them so many years later?
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Posted: 11/24/2022 6:04:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t understand the Kimber hate. I’ve had 5 of them and only had an issue with one. It was a ultra carry and I replaced the extractor. It’s run fine ever since. I used to carry a Kimber daily and shot dozens of idpa matches with them. So flame away. I'm with you. Now I do have a simple protocol for kimbers, but it applies to all sub 1k 1911. Check extractor tension/material, adjust replace. Slide stop material, replace with WC if it's not forged. A couple kimber specific items, remove fp block in slide of swartz(II) models. Also check throat/chamber transition, seems I've found a couple sharp corners that can lead to 3 pt binds. My current 10yr old tle pro 2 has been solid after ditching the swartz part in slide, it was solid before that, but that do-dad can cause a fail to return to battery. I like that tle pro so much that I redid it last yr, full WC bulletproof internals, 40lpi slide rear, ball end cut slide nose, complete melt, rd butt wc msh, and fit an oversized eqw forged grip safety. Had it reparked and added Harrison rear and novak front pinned. That pistol will feed and chamber empty cases, I trust it as much as I do my nhc or wc built pistols. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 6:08:34 PM EDT
[#13]
Had a couple of stainless Kimbers that I carried. No problems, sold them off when I decided I wanted to try Dan Wesson.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 6:08:47 PM EDT
[#14]
Mine work fine
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Posted: 11/24/2022 6:09:26 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. They have not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They never didn’t suck. Stupidly wrong. They’ve always been exactly the same as they are now except that brief period when they tried external extractors. Nope. They have not. So what do you think was different about them? |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 6:09:55 PM EDT
[#16]
Had a Gen 1
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Posted: 11/24/2022 6:11:29 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They’ve always been exactly the same as they are now except that brief period when they tried external extractors. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They never didn’t suck. Stupidly wrong. They’ve always been exactly the same as they are now except that brief period when they tried external extractors. listen to this man. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 6:21:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14563/93B2667D-AD4E-4284-83A1-D49026EE04D3-2612235.jpg 5" alloy frame no checkering on the front of the frame/grip. I think it's a regular 70, no weird Schwartz safety. On sale for something like $ 625. Don't need impulse maybe buy I have a couple Kimber 1911s and have been very happy with them. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 6:25:07 PM EDT
[#19]
I like mine.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 6:26:29 PM EDT
[#20]
I won't by one after my Custom II wouldn't run after 3 trips back to Kimber.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 6:27:44 PM EDT
[#21]
It's hard to take seriously a pistol made in 2022 for self defense that has no integral provision to mount a weapon light.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 7:19:00 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what do you think was different about them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They never didn’t suck. Stupidly wrong. They’ve always been exactly the same as they are now except that brief period when they tried external extractors. Nope. They have not. So what do you think was different about them? Quality control. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 7:20:25 PM EDT
[#23]
Man that’s nice .
I’ve got a kimber , never had one issue with it , and it’s got the best trigger out of all my pistols . |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 7:21:38 PM EDT
[#24]
Mim sights. Undersheriff in another county had the front sight break off. It had to be replaced and that's how we know it was MIM'd.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 7:25:10 PM EDT
[#25]
My Custom Target II was such an unreliable POS Kimber "fixed it" multiple times and never actually fixed it..... I finally fixed it myself and then sold it.
If you attempted to gift me a kimber I would decline. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 7:25:18 PM EDT
[#26]
That white-framed 1911 is so YOU, Mod.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 8:00:30 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quality control. If they do that, they started fairly recently. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 8:15:19 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they do that, they started fairly recently. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quality control. If they do that, they started fairly recently. You misunderstand. They used to have quite good quality control, but I have heard from others that it slipped starting about ten years ago, or maybe a little more. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 8:18:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they do that, they started fairly recently. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quality control. If they do that, they started fairly recently. Kimber's QC has gone down significantly in the past 5-6 years; maybe longer. Idk...shit blurs together nowadays lol. I think they got bought out or something. I daily carry a Kimber, but the QC issues lately are a real thing. That said: their Micro .380 is miles better than the sig p238 besides the horrible finish and base model rubber grips (on a pocket pistol?  ).They also lowered the warranty period from (I think) 3 years to 1 year now. I doubt a basic full size series 70 would give many issues in general, but...if you buy one, you'd better put a few boxes through it quickly and find out while the warranty is still valid. They WILL fix it, no problem, but it might take a while 
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Posted: 11/24/2022 8:22:05 PM EDT
[#30]
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Posted: 11/24/2022 8:24:34 PM EDT
[#31]
I have a sample size of two Kimbers. Mine and my shooting buddy's gun.
Both work very well with no issues. Both are II series if that matters. I would be okay buying another one if needed. I haven't carried it, since I carry a different gun. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 8:27:57 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's hard to take seriously a pistol made in 2022 for self defense that has no integral provision to mount a weapon light. I don't think a penguin colored full sized handgun is marketed towards the operator self defense crowd, and I'm pretty sure there's no issues mounting lights from the trigger guard on metal framed guns I personally wouldn't buy a full sized 1911 with a rail. I think it's ugly and just adds unnecessary weight. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 8:37:02 PM EDT
[#33]
I love all the Kimber hate, it keeps the prices down a bit on the 1911s I want made in the late 90's.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 8:43:00 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I use collect 1911s and had a few Kimbers along with some other brands. Fit and finish of all the Kimbers that I came into possession were all excellent and they all shot straight. When I got out of the 1911 game I sold them all, but kept one, a 5 in plain jane Kimber. It’s actually the most beat up and scratched up 1911 in the group which was acquired thru a trade. Kept is because it worked and I knew I wasn’t going to get much for it. Back from when they were in Oregon? |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 8:52:57 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Back from when they were in Oregon? None of the Kimber 1911s were made in Oregon. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 9:04:18 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: None of the Kimber 1911s were made in Oregon. Were all their frames made in Yonkers? |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 9:26:37 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Were all their frames made in Yonkers? Yes, the guy that bought Kimber also purchased Jerico in Yonkers NY, Edelmon(SP) was his name. Jerico was already set up for high end gun machining and they were making slides/frames for Wilson Combat, Ithaca and others. They also had government contracts for machine gun parts if I remember right. I have two Clackamas marked Kimbers in my safe that were first year production pistols and they are very tight and very accurate although I don't shoot them all that much. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:57:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Bought an ultra carry in 01.
Paid 720 bucks and the first shot at the range Hit the x with basic sights at 10 yards It’s my edc |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:12:55 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, the guy that bought Kimber also purchased Jerico in Yonkers NY, Edelmon(SP) was his name. Jerico was already set up for high end gun machining and they were making slides/frames for Wilson Combat, Ithaca and others. They also had government contracts for machine gun parts if I remember right. I have two Clackamas marked Kimbers in my safe that were first year production pistols and they are very tight and very accurate although I don't shoot them all that much. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Were all their frames made in Yonkers? Yes, the guy that bought Kimber also purchased Jerico in Yonkers NY, Edelmon(SP) was his name. Jerico was already set up for high end gun machining and they were making slides/frames for Wilson Combat, Ithaca and others. They also had government contracts for machine gun parts if I remember right. I have two Clackamas marked Kimbers in my safe that were first year production pistols and they are very tight and very accurate although I don't shoot them all that much. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:24:20 AM EDT
[#40]
Damn, that's an ugly piece.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:28:38 AM EDT
[#41]
Any 1911 under $2500 is a slide and frame kit.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:32:24 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You misunderstand. They used to have quite good quality control, but I have heard from others that it slipped starting about ten years ago, or maybe a little more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quality control. If they do that, they started fairly recently. You misunderstand. They used to have quite good quality control, but I have heard from others that it slipped starting about ten years ago, or maybe a little more. Oh. No, I don’t they ever did anything appreciably better. The early Caspian/Jerico guns from before they were Kimber were supposedly pretty good but everything stamped Kimber has always been the same. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:34:03 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn, that's an ugly piece. You shut your mouth mouth when you're talkin' 'bought Shaft  I personally dig the white (which I've never seen before) but it's certainly not for everyone. We don't all have penguin law degree money to burn on frivolities
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:35:47 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh. No, I don't they ever did anything appreciably better. The early Caspian/Jerico guns from before they were Kimber were supposedly pretty good but everything stamped Kimber has always been the same. Not sure if serious... |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:38:55 AM EDT
[#45]
Kimber’s do still suck. After warning them with no uncertainty, two buddies recently bought Kimber’s despite my warnings. Neither one works right.
One will not feed any ammo at all, the other one will not feed any hollowpoint we’ve tested, and we’ve tested a lot. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:39:11 AM EDT
[#46]
I have a custom II 10MM. It has had a few FTF issues. But I have only fired 150 rounds through it. It may not like the ammo I was using.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:39:49 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kimber is junk. I’ve still never seen one complete a match without choking at least once. Ever. Good friend took a Kimber to an advanced handgun class. No problems. The one I bought earlier this year has had no problems either. Wife bought a Kimber Micro 9 and had to send it back to the factory. Once it came back, it's been fine. The Kimber in the OP might be just what I need to go with my snow camo outfit.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:40:57 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh. No, I don’t they ever did anything appreciably better. The early Caspian/Jerico guns from before they were Kimber were supposedly pretty good but everything stamped Kimber has always been the same. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quality control. If they do that, they started fairly recently. You misunderstand. They used to have quite good quality control, but I have heard from others that it slipped starting about ten years ago, or maybe a little more. Oh. No, I don’t they ever did anything appreciably better. The early Caspian/Jerico guns from before they were Kimber were supposedly pretty good but everything stamped Kimber has always been the same. Sorry, but you really have no fucking idea what you're talking about. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:41:22 AM EDT
[#49]
Kimbers gtg, but there was a time when they expanded from niche to mega popularity, that they developed a bit of a bad reputation.
Buy it. YOLO. Besides,… Your $600 USD lost $50 in value, in the time it took to make this thread. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:44:02 AM EDT
[#50]
Every one of them I’ve owned, required extractor adjustment. Haven’t had to with any of my colts. Simple enough to do but still.
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