How can Jesus be the Messiah written about in the Tanakh?


The prophet Ezekiel clearly teaches that we will recognize the coming of the Messiah when all of the following take place:

the resurrection of the dead

the building of the final Temple that will stand forever in Jerusalem

the universal knowledge of God and obedience to His Torah is attained

the return of the lost tribes (the Northern Kingdom of Israel whom Assyria carried off) as well as the complete restoration of the Jewish people to their land

Well, he did go after those loan sharks with a whip.  That's kinda cool.

Read the complete Bible
Can not just take and pick one or two scriptures to come to your understanding
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, the Redeemer,

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

So, your beginning statement is not correct. If you’re really interested, a quick google will give you details on over 40 Old Testament prophecies Jesus fulfilled, beginning with those in Genesis and also including resurrection.

People didn't get it because they expected a different kind of Messiah.  And obviously they knew better than the Son of God.  Kinda reminds you of another know it all liar.

So maybe I'm slow. But are you trying to be an apostate or are you trying to deceive Christians into disbelief. If you don't believe in Christ as the savior then go away and suffer in your own guilt. But be carful in what you post and say as he who leads astray a child of Christ would be better if he was never born.

She's Jewish.

I know she is and I stand by what I said. Repent or fry. It's that simple.

Just making sure you knew.

Jesus seems to be a thorny subject for Jews.

The testimony of Jewish leader’s and scholars suggests Jesus was the messiah.

Matthew 21:45 -46 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus' parables, they knew he was talking about them. But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

No need to fear a common man. Israel is to be established by peace not force unless a secular state is waiting for a false political prophet.

I’m just asking questions @Lead-slinger

When you’re Jewish, which I am as you say you know, these are the types of questions that you need answers to when looking into Christianity.

Seeing as how this a religious forum, I assume it’s a good place to ask them. There are some pretty smart people on here.

Perhaps you’ve never had any questions about religion. Good for you, that’s great. Should you ever have any, I would hope that you encounter someone nice enough to provide you an honest answer and to do so in a polite manner.

Nonetheless, thank you for response.

Which verse is that in?

Thank you for the response @SideCarGT

I have read the Bible and I understand what you’re saying, I do not understand how Jesus could be the Messiah when he  didn’t fulfill the Messianic prophecies.

Next to the one where it says Moses wrote all of the Torah, not just pieces of it.

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You've already started this thread with a false premise that's already been disproven here:

Concerning the Messiah’s birth:
1. The Messiah will come from the lineage of David (Psalm 89:3–4, 29–36; 132:11–17; Matthew 1:1).
2. The Messiah will come for all people (Psalm 18:49; Ephesians 3:4–6).
3. The Messiah will know His Father from childhood (Psalm 22:9; Luke 2:40).
4. The Messiah will be called by God while still in the womb (Psalm 22:10; Luke 1:30–33).

Concerning the Messiah’s nature and name:
5. The Messiah will be called King of the Jews (Psalm 2:6; John 12:12–13; 18:32).
6. The Messiah will be the Son of God (Psalm 2:7; Luke 1:31–35; Matthew 3:16–17; Hebrews 1:5–6). 7. The Messiah is God (Psalm 45:6–7b; Hebrews 1:8–9).
8. The Messiah will call God His Father (Psalm 89:26; Matthew 11:27).
9. The Messiah will be God’s only “begotten” Son (Psalm 89:27; Mark 16:6; Colossians 1:18; Revelation 1:5).
10. The Messiah will be eternal (Psalm 102:25–27a; Revelation 1:8; Hebrews 1:10–12).
11. The Messiah is the creator of all things (Psalm 102:25–27b; John 1:3; Ephesians 3:9; Hebrews 1:10–12).
12. The Messiah will be Lord and King (Psalm 110:1a; Matthew 22:41–45).
13. The Messiah will be a Priest after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 6:17–20).
14. The Messiah will be the “Stone” rejected by the builders (Psalm 118:22; Matthew 21:42–43).

Concerning the Messiah’s ministry:
15. Infants will give praise to the Messiah (Psalm 8:2; Matthew 21:15–16).
16. The Messiah will reveal that the Hebrew Scriptures were written of Him (Psalm 40:6–8b; Luke 24:44; John 5:39–40).
17. The Messiah will do God’s (His Father’s) will (Psalm 40:7–8; John 5:30).
18. The Messiah will not conceal His mission from believing people (Psalm 40:9–10; Luke 4:16–21).
19. The Messiah will communicate a message of mercy (Psalm 45:2; 55:12–14; Luke 4:22).
20. The Messiah will be angered by unethical practices by the Jews in the temple (Psalm 69:9a; John 2:13–17).
21. The Messiah will teach in parables (Psalm 78:2; Matthew 13:34–35).
22. The Messiah will calm the stormy sea (Psalm 107:28–29; Matthew 8:24–26).
23. The Messiah will act with righteousness (Psalm 45:6–7c; John 5:30).
24. The Messiah will come in the name of the Lord (Psalm 118:26; Matthew 21:9).

Concerning the Messiah’s betrayal and death:
25. Political/religious leaders will conspire against the Messiah (Psalm 2:1–3; Matthew 26:3–4; Mark 3:6).
26. The Messiah will feel forsaken by God at His crucifixion (Psalm 22:1b; Mark 15:34).
27. The Messiah will pray without ceasing before His death (Psalm 22:2; Matthew 26:38–39).
28. The Messiah will be despised and rejected by His own (Psalm 22:6; Luke 23:21–23).
29. The Messiah will be mocked (Psalm 22:7; 109:25; Matthew 27:39).
30. Unbelievers will say to the Messiah, “He trusted in God, let Him now deliver Him” (Psalm 22:8; Matthew 27:41–43).
31. The Messiah will be abandoned by His disciples (Psalm 22:11; 69:20; Mark 14:50).
32. The Messiah will be encompassed by wicked beings (Psalm 22:12–13; Colossians 2:15).
33. From the Messiah’s body will flow blood and water (Psalm 22:14a; John 19:34).
34. The Messiah will be crucified (Psalm 22:14b; Matthew 27:35).
35. The Messiah will thirst while dying (Psalm 22:15; 69:21; John 19:28).
36. The Messiah will be observed by Gentiles at His crucifixion (Psalm 22:16a; Luke 23:36).
37. The Messiah will be observed by Jews at His crucifixion (Psalm 22:16b; Matthew 27:41–43).
38. The Messiah’s hands and feet will be pierced (Psalm 22:16c; Matthew 27:38).
39. The Messiah’s garments will be parted among the soldiers through the casting of lots (Psalm 22:18; John 19:23–24).
40. The Messiah will be accused by false witnesses (Psalm 27:12; 35:11; 109:2; Matthew 26:59–61).
41. The Messiah will cry out to God, “Into thy hands I commend my spirit” (Psalm 31:5; Luke 23:46).
42. There will be many attempts to kill the Messiah (Psalm 31:13; Matthew 27:1).
43. The Messiah will have no bones broken (Psalm 34:20; John 19:32–33).
44. The Messiah will be hated without cause (Psalm 35:19; John 18:19–23; 15:24–25).
45. The Messiah will be silent as a lamb before His accusers (Psalm 38:13–14; Matthew 26:62–63).
46. The Messiah will be God’s sacrificial lamb for redemption of all mankind (Psalm 40:6–8a; Hebrews 10:10–13).
47. The Messiah will be betrayed by one of His own disciples (Psalm 41:9; Mark 14:17–18).
48. The Messiah will be hated and rejected without cause (Psalm 69:4; Luke 23:13–22; John 15:24–25).
49. The Messiah will be condemned for God’s sake (Psalm 69:7, 9; Matthew 26:65–67; Romans 15:3).
50. The Messiah will be rejected by the Jews (Psalm 69:8a; John 1:11).
51. The Messiah’s very own brothers will reject Him (Psalm 69:8b; John 7:3–5).
52. The Messiah’s heart will be broken (Psalm 69:20a; John 19:34).
53. The Messiah will be offered gall mingled with vinegar while dying (Psalm 69:21a; Matthew 27:34).
54. The Messiah will offer up prayer for His enemies (Psalm 109:4; Luke 23:34).
55. The Messiah’s betrayer will have a short life (Psalm 109:8a; Acts 1:16–18; John 17:12).
56. The Messiah’s betrayer will be replaced by a more faithful man (Psalm 109:8b; Acts 1:20–26).

Concerning the Messiah’s resurrection and exaltation:
57. The Messiah will be resurrected (Psalm 16:8–10a; Matthew 28:6; Acts 2:25–32).
58. The Messiah’s body will not see corruption (natural decay) (Psalm 16:8–10b; Acts 13:35–37).
59. The Messiah will be glorified into the presence of God (Psalm 16:11; Acts 2:25–33).
60. The Messiah will ask God for His inheritance (Psalm 2:8a; John 17:4–24).
61. The Messiah will have complete authority over all things (Psalm 2:8b–9; 8:6; Matthew 28:18; Hebrews 1:1–2).
62. The Messiah will destroy those who do not honor Him (Psalm 2:12; John 3:36).
63. The Messiah will bring many people into the family of God (Psalm 22:22; Hebrews 2:10–12; Matthew 12:50; John 20:14).
64. The Messiah’s enemies will stumble and fall (Psalm 27:2; John 18:3–6).
65. The Messiah’s throne will be eternal (Psalm 45:6–7a; Luke 1:31–33; Hebrews 1:8–9).
66. The Messiah will ascend back into heaven (Psalm 68:18a; Luke 24:51; Ephesians 4:8).
67. The Messiah will give good gifts unto believing men (Psalm 68:18b; Matthew 10:1; Ephesians 4:7–11).
68. The Messiah will be exalted to the right hand of God (Psalm 80:17; 110:1, 5; Acts 5:31).

Nice try though, but these kind of threads work better when they are not so obvious.

the OT is filled with the history of God punishing the Israelites for not following His Word.  40 years after the crucifixion of Christ (a special number in Judaism btw), the temple gets bulldozed by pagans just like it did before by the Babylonians.   There have been no more prophets and no new temple in almost two thousand years.  In fact, Judaism allows a foreign religion to desecrate the Holiest spot on earth.  

Weird, right?  

Meanwhile Judaism has split into many factions, many completely disavowing the entire Tanakh as the inspired Word of God.  No messiah, no resurrection, no need to keep kosher, no stoning adulterers.  You’d think Jews would be able to agree on these things as that’s what makes one Jewish, right?

Those who do not believe in our savior, Jesus Christ, will suffer an eternal fate much worse than guilt.  That is simply a biblical fact.

We are saved through faith alone.

This is so tiresome.

You’re trolling.

Posting topics under the guise of ignorance in an attempt to provoke emotional responses is trolling.

If you are in the search of truth regarding this topic, or the several others posted previous, you could discover the answers in other, less controversial, ways that wouldn’t be as likely to illicit heated responses.

Ge 12:3
Descendant of Abraham Mt 1:1

Ge 17:19
Descendant of Isaac Lk 3:34

Nu 24:17
Descendant of Jacob Mt 1:2

Ge 49:10
From the tribe of Judah Lk 3:33

Is 9:7
Heir to the throne of David Lk 1:32,33

Ps 45:6, 7; 102:25-27
Anointed and eternal Heb 1:8-12

Mic 5:2
Born in Bethlehem Lk 2:4, 5, 7

Da 9:25
Time for His birth Lk 2:1,2

Is 7:14
Born of a virgin Lk 1:26, 27, 30, 31

Jer 31:15
Slaughter of children Mt 2:16-18

Hos 11:1
Flight to Egypt Mt 2:14,15

Is 40:3-5
The way prepared Lk 3:3-6

Mal 3:1
Proceeded by a forerunner Lk 7:24,27

Mal 4:5,6
Preceded by Elijah Mt 11:13,14

Ps 2:7
Declared Son of God Mt 3:17

Is 9:1,2
Galilean ministry Mt 4:13-16

Ps 78:2-4
Speaks in parables Mt 13:34,35

Dt 18:15
A prophet Ac 3:20,22

Is 61:1,2
Bind up the broken-hearted Lk 4:18,19

Is 53:3
Rejected by His own people, Jews Jn 1:11

Ps 110:4
Priest of Melchizedek Heb 5:5,6

Zec 9:9
Triumphal entry Mk 11:7, 9, 11

Ps 8:2
Adored by infants Mt 21:15,15

Is 53:1
Not believed Jn 12:37,38

Ps 41:9
Betrayed by a close friend Lk 22:47, 48

Zec 11:12
Betrayed for thirty silver Mt 26:14, 15

Ps 35:11
Accused by false witnesses Mk 14:57, 58

Is 53:7
Silent to accusations Mk 15:4, 5

Is 50:6
Spat on and struck Mt 26:67

Ps 35:19
Hated without reason Jn 15:24,25

Is 53:5
Vicarious sacrifice Ro 5:6, 8

Is 53:12
Crucified with malefactors Mk 15:27, 28

Zec 12:10
Pierced through hands and feet Jn 20:27

Ps 22:7, 8
Sneered and mocked Lk 23:35

Ps 69:9
Was reproached Ro 15:3

Ps 109:4
Prayer for enemies Lk 23:34

Ps 22:17, 18
Soldiers gambled for His clothing Mt 27:35, 36

Ps 22:1
Forsaken by God Mt 27:46

Ps 34:20
No broken bones Jn 19:32, 33, 36

Zec 12:10
His side pierced Jn 19:34

Is 53:9
Buried with rich Mt 27:57-60

Ps 16:10; 49:15
To be resurrected Mk 15:6, 7

Ps 68:18
His ascension to God right hand Mk 16:19

Her go to plea: "I'm just asking questions".

Baloney. All we have to do is read the thread title.

You can tell a tree by the fruit it produces.

@snow_ball
My apologies if I was rough. Your opening statement was highly inflammatory and seemed as though you were attacking Jesus. This is usually indicative of an anti-Christ individual. It looks judging from your statements you've already made up your mind that Christ is not who he says to be. This is what the Pharisees did. And they attributed all the miracles Jesus did to Satan and in doing so they committed the unpardonable sin.  
I would highly recommend you listen to this entire book series. Romans was written by a man who chased and killed Christians. He was a pharisee of the highest order. You don't go from that to the person who writes most of the New testament on a whim.
https://www.gty.org/library/resources/bible-series-library/scripture/1?book=45

Thanks for the response @ValleyGunner I understand that the authors of the NT used the OT to find verses that they could attribute to Jesus. We could go through them and I could point out mistranslations or verses taken out of context or verses that have been added to (even though G-d said not to do that ever) and you could tell me the same thing but we don’t have to do that and we shouldn’t.

What we should do is look at what the Messiah is supposed to do while he is here, one of which (and it’s a big one) is to usher in world peace. Obviously, Jesus didn’t do that.

How can we reconcile those two things alone?

As for your last comment, I don’t know what you mean exactly by, “Nice try though, but these kind of threads work better when they are not so obvious.”

But if it’s meant to be snarky, please keep those kinds of replies to yourself. I am asking legitimate questions, and I’m being as polite as I can about them. I would appreciate it if you would do the same.

I understand that some people are uncomfortable with these types of questions, but these are real questions that real people and even scholars have pondered for many years.

There should be no reason why we, as adults, shouldn’t be able to do the same. That’s the point, I think, of this religious forum. The rules say to be respectful, let’s try to do that, please. I’ll do the same.

Thanks again for the response!

Now, where do we land on that world peace prophecy? It obviously didn’t happen when Jesus was here. It didn’t happen after he died. And it’s been 2,000 years.

How do we reconcile that?

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And before you try and say it's "you just don't like me", look at all of the other posters who likewise think you have duplicitous motives for your postings. That should tell you, if nothing else, that you're doing this wrong.

ETA: People outright accused you of trolling, and you said nothing to them. You took me as implying that you did, and you DID call me out. Oh, but you have no agenda, right?

That, in no way, addresses the OP's question.

I always understood Micah 4 to mean the Second Coming of Christ.

The first coming:

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34

Thanks @Lead-Slinger and no worries! I will definitely look into the book series you suggested. Numerous posters have given me suggestions of books, and videos and articles and I’ve looked at many of them. I find them to be very helpful!

So thanks again!

As for my question, how do you answer that question to yourself, if you don’t mind my asking. The OT says that the Messiah will usher in world peace, for one example, and we know that hasn’t happened and yet that doesn’t seem to concern you.

How do you reconcile that? Perhaps the answer is in the book series you suggested and it would take you too long to explain it here, (which is totally fine too, b/c I’ll find it when I check that out).

But if you do feel like sharing your thoughts on the matter, I’d love to hear them. Perhaps it’s something that I haven’t heard or thought of before.

Thanks again for the responses! I sincerely appreciate everyone’s insight!

Peter Stoner wrote a book about the statistical probability of Jesus Christ fulfilling the prophecies.  You can read it online here.  Not that we want to reduce matters of faith to cold mathematics, but faith and reason do mesh, and I think Stoner makes an exceptional case for Christ.

Don't make the same mistake as the Pharisees and Scribes made. They (and likely most of the Jewish people that followed Jesus around for a time) were looking for the triumphal 2nd coming, and missed his first.

Jeremiah 31 -> Matthew 24:3031

If you are truly seeking answers read and study the book of Hebrews. It was likely written to Jewish priests who had became Christians but were struggling understanding how Jesus replaced their Judaism. If those priests were convinced how much more should you be?

This is reconciled because in the book of Daniel, Daniel is given a prophecy from the angel Gabriel (Daniel 9:20-27) that describes how the Messiah willl be “put to death” or “cut off“ (verse 26) before all those things you mentioned will be accomplished (verse 24). This is why Christians hold to the doctrine of the Second Coming, where Christ returns to fulfill the rest of the prophecies concerning Messiah and reign over the earth. Jesus speaks about this in Matthew 24 and even references Daniel. This is the Blessed Hope of Christians, the end of our suffering and persecution for following Him. The period of time between the death, resurrection and ascension of Christ until the Second Coming is the time where Christ gathers his Church, the elect.

How do you traditionally interpret Daniel 9? You may find some answers there.

Edited ~ medicmandan

It's funny to me that you copy paste 68 items and literally the first one disqualifies Jesus from being the messiah

Hey @ValleyGunner, thanks again for your responses! I don’t know why you are always looking for a confrontation with people. But you will not find one with me.

Lots of people call people a “troll” on the internet. Ask a question someone doesn’t like and they will call you a troll. I understand. It doesn’t bother me, it’s just not productive in a conversation about religion.

I will tell you the same thing I’ve been telling you. I have questions that are legitimate. I ask them in a religious forum because that’s where they belong. There are a lot of smart people here, yourself included. I enjoy hearing their insights and I learn from them, again yourself included.

I may not agree with everything people say. But that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t at least hear their opinions and thoughts. Perhaps they can teach me something I didn’t know. Perhaps I will tell them something they didn’t know. Perhaps they will incorrectly assume things about me and decide not to like me, that’s ok too.

But I am going to keep asking my questions. And I’m going to keep being polite and respectful to you. If that bothers you, you do have the option to ignore my threads. That may be best for you. I don’t know, you’ll have to decide that.

But if you want to answer my actual questions, I’m glad to hear what you think! I think when we last left off I was asking you about world peace & why that hasn’t happened if Jesus was the Messiah. Thoughts?

Thanks again for your responses!

Thank you @abnk I will certainly check it out! I like math and I like statistics in particular. I look forward to seeing what Stoner has to say!

Thanks again!

The vineyard has been taken from them and given to the Gentiles..

It's to late for them..

How have you arrived at this conclusion? I'm curious.

Yes, I posted the John MacArthur vid..

To late for Grace, when a nation rejects God

I recommend watching it...

OP, read Psalm 22. Prophesied the Crucifixion a thousand years before it occurred.
Almost word for word.

Just read the thread on psalms a little ways down.

Interesting stuff.

Wasn't Ezekiel stoned to death by his own ppl...?

The choice in using Ezekiel as a marker for disproving Christ's messianic nature is also troublesome, considering Jews themselves have struggled with understanding it throughout history.

This link gives a verse by verse commentary of Ezekiel. Now it is from a Catholic website, but since Protestants have adopted/agree with the Catholic breakdown of this book, a Protestant should be able to read it without presenting conflict to any of their doctrines.

Commentary on Ezekiel

"Acceptance of this book by Jews was not immediate. Chapter 1 at first was banned from reading in the synagogue and from study in the schools. It had sparked the unfortunate Merkabah (chariot) mysticism that ran for centuries. The strenuous accusations of hardness made the Rabbis unhappy, and they feared it would provide ammunition for the christians. We note especially 5.5, saying Jerusalem "has rebelled against God's commands more than the pagan nations."

"The rabbis also noticed that some things in the future temple prescriptions in 40-48 contradicted those of Mosaic law. Efforts to reconcile the two led even to saying Elijah would come to explain it, or to simply admitting hopeless contradictions. (We will examine these points in detail later)."

"There were other serious problems: it seemed God was about to restore Israel gratis, or that God acts not because of repentance but because of His own prior Holiness..."

"St. Jerome reports that the rabbis did not allow anyone under age 30 to read the book. (Epistle 53. 7,.To Paulina)."

"The picture of the activities of Ezekiel is often unclear, so much that a few commentators have said he did not go to Jerusalem physically at all, only in visions."

Might check out some of this guys videos, could help clarify some things for you.

If that’s true, then America is completely screwed.

So then you reject the Messianic prophecies as stated by Ezekiel? Interesting!

You are insincere.

And there you go again. I never said that, implied that, or got anywhere near that.

Why do you always create your own talking points from poster's comments based on absolutely nothing? What purpose does that serve other than to keep fanning the fire?

Nobody is biting on the title so now you come up with, "So then (Christians) reject the Messianic prophecies as stated by Ezekiel? Interesting!", as though it were an absolute statement from the mouth of a Christian.

What purpose does this serve?

Thank you @JohnnyLoco finally an answer to my question! I had not heard that before, and I will def check it out. I really appreciate the response!!

Look at the last statement:

"So then you reject the Messianic prophecies as stated by Ezekiel? Interesting!"

This will soon be followed by, "I'm just trying to learn, and I'm being polite".

She's a deceiver.

Thanks for the response! But this thread is about Jesus as the Messiah, it is not about your personal thoughts or feelings about my sincerity. Please stay on topic. Thank you!

The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th responses are spot on! I’m sure there are other great responses too I just haven’t read that far down yet.

OP if your serious the truth can be found,,, your heart appears to be hard and you would be wise to search your heart, seek truth, read the Bible and ask God to reveal himself to you.