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Posted: 2/6/2021 9:54:01 AM EDT
OK so here’s the background. 2016 wrangler JKU Rubicon. December 26 I was hit in the driver side rear bumper and tire by a kid who fell asleep at the wheel. This happened on the highway and at approximately 60 mph my speed I do not know his speed. Besides damaging the bumper the impact with the wheel bent both upper and lower control arms on the driver side.
Now onto my issue after the repairs were completed the vehicle failed alignment for the driver side rear tire having .63° of toe. Apparently The spec is 0 to .25 +/- .25 The first dealership replaced the rear track bar trying to tell me that would fix the problem however I was expected it had zero effect. The next dealership replaced the rear axle shaft on that side which brought the total to .50° however when coupled with the passenger side puts me at .53° of total toe So here I am knowing that the rear axle housing has been bent yet two dealerships have failed to fix the issue and it has been six weeks already. Currently the vertical sits at stock height however it will be lifted and running larger tires in the future. I already have the lift components and was just waiting for the current set of tires to wear down which they are near being done. I guess my question is how much of a fight should I put up with the insurance company to have this made right? Am I going to truly notice horrible tire wear with the alignment specs above?  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 10:03:11 AM EDT
[#1]
You need a new axle and your insurance company [or theirs if your state works that way] should be paying for it. I'd bet with that hit it's going to be a problem child with axle issues until it's replaced. Someone is trying to be cheap and not spend the $$$ to replace that axle.
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Posted: 2/6/2021 10:09:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You need a new axle and your insurance company [or theirs if your state works that way] should be paying for it. I'd bet with that hit it's going to be a problem child with axle issues until it's replaced. Someone is trying to be cheap and not spend the $$$ to replace that axle. That’s pretty much where I’m at unfortunately USAA is closed until Monday. Jeep dealership I just picked it up from told me oh well I don’t know what else to tell you. The ridiculous part is they charge the insurance company $1700 to put an axle shaft in and do an alignment. The body shop originally looked for a used axle unfortunately none were available and then the buck started getting passed on getting this thing repaired properly. I would hate to burn through tires more often especially once I go to the larger size. And I’m also concerned about premature bearing wear It’s about 4K in parts for a complete axle that is ready to bolt in. I have honestly thought about having a semi float Dana 60 built for it but would prefer to put in a factory Mopar axle at this point just for the sake of having it fixed |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 10:16:34 AM EDT
[#3]
It should be pretty straight forward to contact your insurance company and explain to them that there is additional damage from the accident,
If toe is out of spec on a solid rear axle the housing is bent. There really isn't any room for debate there. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 10:35:38 AM EDT
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Yup, everyone is trying to half ass band aid the thing.
Replace the axle! It could eventually lead to a tire failure and loss of control if you are at high speed. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 10:39:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It should be pretty straight forward to contact your insurance company and explain to them that there is additional damage from the accident, If toe is out of spec on a solid rear axle the housing is bent. There really isn't any room for debate there. Trust me I get it. Unfortunately it seems like qualified shops are hard to come by. Hell the 1st Jeep dealership swore you could fix rear toe by replacing a trac bar. The 2nd dealership that the USAA approved body shop took it to gave me the line oh it’s only .03 out of spec so it shouldn’t be an issue. And that was the service manager lol. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 11:05:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, everyone is trying to half ass band aid the thing. Replace the axle! It could eventually lead to a tire failure and loss of control if you are at high speed. I agree. Never had this issue dealing with USAA before. It all started with there incompetent body shop |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 11:06:21 AM EDT
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You are in PA, and .03 out on the rear housing is a safety hazard in winter.
Transitions from ice cover patches on the road suface to bare pavement will cause cause erratic control issues. Not as prominent as a front alignment issue, but its an issue nonetheless. Contact USAA on Monday, and go from there. MN has a law on the books that if you request new OEM parts the insurance company has to use new OEM parts. Check into PA's laws and see if they have a similar law. Also look into a depreciation payment. The offending driver's insurance should have to pay that out. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 11:34:56 AM EDT
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Yup, agree with everyone else on the bent housing.
Replacing the track bar probably didn't hurt with that hit, but yeah, the toe issue isn't there. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 11:43:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, agree with everyone else on the bent housing. Replacing the track bar probably didn't hurt with that hit, but yeah, the toe issue isn't there. Yeah and replacing the axle shaft helped slightly because the flange was bent however did not solve the problem totally. Jeep is back in my possession now since the dealer says it’s “fixed” I’m in agreement it needs an entire axle unfortunately now I have to deal with getting the insurance company to understand this. Not looking forward to dealing with USAA again on Monday. At this point I would be happy if they cut me a check and I would order a complete axle and install it myself |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 12:25:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah and replacing the axle shaft helped slightly because the flange was bent however did not solve the problem totally. Jeep is back in my possession now since the dealer says it’s “fixed” I’m in agreement it needs an entire axle unfortunately now I have to deal with getting the insurance company to understand this. Not looking forward to dealing with USAA again on Monday. At this point I would be happy if they cut me a check and I would order a complete axle and install it myself Not sure if it would be useful with an adjuster on the phone, but someone in person you could walk them through it to come to the conclusion themselves. Independent suspension is so ubiquitous now that some might not really grasp how things such as toe work with a solid (non steer) axle. You probably already tried this but it sometimes helps. How do you adjust toe on a solid rear axle? No, there's no knuckles, no ball joints, no tie rods. just a solid steel axle housing between both wheels. "Uhh, you can't." Exactly. So, when one side is showing toe when there's not supposed to be any, what does that mean? "Uhh, somethings bent?" Right, so now in a system where there in one large piece of metal suspended between the frame on springs, what could be bent to make toe show up where there shouldn't be any? "Uhh, the axle shaft? No, the axle shaft, that the tire bolts to is guided by something else. What else is there that is guiding or holding the axle shaft? "Uhh, the housing?" Right, so if the tire is showing toe that's not supposed to be there and it's bolted to an axle shaft and both the axle shaft and wheel are new and straight. What does that mean about the axle housing that holds the axle? "Uhh, the housing is bent?" Very good. And if the housing is bent causing toe that shouldn't be there, what does that mean? "Uhh, the housing needs to be replaced.' Very good, here's a cookie. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 1:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if it would be useful with an adjuster on the phone, but someone in person you could walk them through it to come to the conclusion themselves. Independent suspension is so ubiquitous now that some might not really grasp how things such as toe work with a solid (non steer) axle. You probably already tried this but it sometimes helps. How do you adjust toe on a solid rear axle? No, there's no knuckles, no ball joints, no tie rods. just a solid steel axle housing between both wheels. "Uhh, you can't." Exactly. So, when one side is showing toe when there's not supposed to be any, what does that mean? "Uhh, somethings bent?" Right, so now in a system where there in one large piece of metal suspended between the frame on springs, what could be bent to make toe show up where there shouldn't be any? "Uhh, the axle shaft? No, the axle shaft, that the tire bolts to is guided by something else. What else is there that is guiding or holding the axle shaft? "Uhh, the housing?" Right, so if the tire is showing toe that's not supposed to be there and it's bolted to an axle shaft and both the axle shaft and wheel are new and straight. What does that mean about the axle housing that holds the axle? "Uhh, the housing is bent?" Very good. And if the housing is bent causing toe that shouldn't be there, what does that mean? "Uhh, the housing needs to be replaced.' Very good, here's a cookie. Ok I needed that. I haven’t laughed like that in a while! Dealing with people who have no auto knowledge is so frustrating. When I went to pick it up I took out my phone with the alignment specs after looking at the alignment sheet and said to the dealer so it’s outside permissible specs and his response was well we stand by our alignment it won’t be a problem. 
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Posted: 2/6/2021 1:44:59 PM EDT
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Your insurance company should pay, There should be no problem finding an excellent condition used complete axle assembly for that vehicle, the shop that said thst is FOS!
And probably for around what the dealership charged to replace that single axleshaft! car-part.com is your friend! |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 1:50:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok I needed that. I haven’t laughed like that in a while! Dealing with people who have no auto knowledge is so frustrating. When I went to pick it up I took out my phone with the alignment specs after looking at the alignment sheet and said to the dealer so it’s outside permissible specs and his response was well we stand by our alignment it won’t be a problem.  I would have handed the keys back to him and called the insurance company. The rear total toe, as you know, needs to be damn near 0. Hope you get it straightened out(no pun intended). Also, for those that don't know, old school alignment shops can, and without issue can get that tube straight. They literally wrap a chain around the tube and use a come along/porto power hydro ram, etc and will pull that tube into spec. That's how trailer axles are aligned as well. Older trucks, especially fords, that used twin cross beam front control arm suspension, were required to make adjustments by bending those 2" steel control arms. .5 total toe, while killing tires, is a very small amount of bend and with a competent alignment guy, can be rectified in a hour; problem is most of the guys that did that on a regular basis have long since retired. We have a specialist alignment shop we send this type of stuff to. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 2:02:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, for those that don't know, old school alignment shops can, and without issue can get that tube straight. Yeah, I was going to mention that but it is basically a dead art, today most auto shops only have 2 types of mechanics, Technicians that read codes & parts changers that just swap out parts; not many that can actually do that "outside the Box" stuff anymore, the few that can are usually making a fortune doing custom work in Speed Shops! |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 2:12:04 PM EDT
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Did they give you the alignment print-out?
The -0.25 - 0.25 spec is for the thrust angle. Thrust angle being out could be caused by the frame being bent. Are the control arms they installed adjustable? |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 3:16:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your insurance company should pay, There should be no problem finding an excellent condition used complete axle assembly for that vehicle, the shop that said thst is FOS! And probably for around what the dealership charged to replace that single axleshaft! car-part.com is your friend! Closest one on car-part is 400 miles away |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 3:17:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would have handed the keys back to him and called the insurance company. The rear total toe, as you know, needs to be damn near 0. Hope you get it straightened out(no pun intended). Also, for those that don't know, old school alignment shops can, and without issue can get that tube straight. They literally wrap a chain around the tube and use a come along/porto power hydro ram, etc and will pull that tube into spec. That's how trailer axles are aligned as well. Older trucks, especially fords, that used twin cross beam front control arm suspension, were required to make adjustments by bending those 2" steel control arms. .5 total toe, while killing tires, is a very small amount of bend and with a competent alignment guy, can be rectified in a hour; problem is most of the guys that did that on a regular basis have long since retired. We have a specialist alignment shop we send this type of stuff to. There is a place that does this near me. But the don’t want to deal with it because it also has an e locker in it. Told me they only will straighten open diff rear axles. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 3:19:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they give you the alignment print-out? The -0.25 - 0.25 spec is for the thrust angle. Thrust angle being out could be caused by the frame being bent. Are the control arms they installed adjustable? No replaced with factory fixed arms. Here is the alignment sheet for the rear.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 3:54:35 PM EDT
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Good.
You wrote the toe spec as +/- .25 deg. in the original post which is the thrust angle. Correct that total toe should be less than .50 deg, but that should evenly distributed between the two sides, so even if it was .47 on the left, you will experience abnormal tire wear. If it were thrust angle it could easily be fixed with adjustable control arms. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 7:19:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. You wrote the toe spec as +/- .25 deg. in the original post which is the thrust angle. Correct that total toe should be less than .50 deg, but that should evenly distributed between the two sides, so even if it was .47 on the left, you will experience abnormal tire wear. If it were thrust angle it could easily be fixed with adjustable control arms. Jeep dealer is arguing that toe spec is .25 with a margin of up to + or - an additional .25 so the say .53 is just barely out of spec. My point was the same as yours, tire wear is gonna suck. Especially once 35s or 37s are installed. I keep Jeep’s till they die. No plans on getting rid of it so I want it fixed correctly. Hell my 05 LJ Rubicon I drive it like I stole it and the axle is not bent. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 9:00:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Closest one on car-part is 400 miles away So make a nice day trip out of it, or pay the extra couple of hundred & have them ship it or the best option, have the body shop get it & charge the insurance company. Most important of all, Don't drive it with the bent axle or you'll be spending big bucks on new tires every couple thousand miles. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 10:08:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So make a nice day trip out of it, or pay the extra couple of hundred & have them ship it or the best option, have the body shop get it & charge the insurance company. Most important of all, Don't drive it with the bent axle or you'll be spending big bucks on new tires every couple thousand miles. No plans on driving it. To be honest I am not gonna deal with a road trip for a used axle. I love that car-part posts pictures. $1800 for the closest one and the Jeep was in a fire. Tires where melted off of it. $3998 complete from Mopar America. Everything new including pads/rotors/calipers/axle shafts,locker delivered to my door in 3 days. Just need to get ahold of someone who understands what it needs at USSA. |
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Posted: 2/6/2021 10:30:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No plans on driving it. To be honest I am not gonna deal with a road trip for a used axle. I love that car-part posts pictures. $1800 for the closest one and the Jeep was in a fire. Tires where melted off of it. $3998 complete from Mopar America. Everything new including pads/rotors/calipers/axle shafts,locker delivered to my door in 3 days. Just need to get ahold of someone who understands what it needs at USSA. Can't beat that if the ins.co. pays! |
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Posted: 2/8/2021 1:49:12 PM EDT
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Finally got ahold of someone at USAA with a brain. They agree something is not right and it should be fixed properly.
However after they contacted the dealer I got a call from the service advisor at the dealership. His words were”you will never notice tire wear” asked me to come talk to his boss tomorrow morning if I was still unhappy. Needless to say I will be at the dealership to talk to him tomorrow morning. Waiting on a call back from a damage specialist at USAA |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 1:40:42 PM EDT
[#25]
That rear camber may also be an issue
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Posted: 2/10/2021 11:17:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Finally got ahold of someone at USAA with a brain. They agree something is not right and it should be fixed properly. However after they contacted the dealer I got a call from the service advisor at the dealership. His words were”you will never notice tire wear” asked me to come talk to his boss tomorrow morning if I was still unhappy. Needless to say I will be at the dealership to talk to him tomorrow morning. Waiting on a call back from a damage specialist at USAA - his boss needs to call you can come get the car from you after not fixing it right the first time. - dealerships don’t like dealing with collision insurance companies. They don’t want to pay our labor and sure as hell don’t want to pay for our parts. - the dealer is going to have a hard time of getting paid for both the axle and the axle shaft replacement, this is why they are being hard to deal with now. - if the alignment sheet looked similar prior to any repair anyone who replace a suspension component or axle shaft to try and fix it needs to be bent over and rapped with said shaft. - if the service manager wants to argue with you about the axle replacement, tell him you are going to take it to another dealer and not to be surprised if ussa refuses to pay for the $1700 bill their parts cannon caused. |
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Posted: 2/12/2021 8:51:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: - his boss needs to call you can come get the car from you after not fixing it right the first time. - dealerships don’t like dealing with collision insurance companies. They don’t want to pay our labor and sure as hell don’t want to pay for our parts. - the dealer is going to have a hard time of getting paid for both the axle and the axle shaft replacement, this is why they are being hard to deal with now. - if the alignment sheet looked similar prior to any repair anyone who replace a suspension component or axle shaft to try and fix it needs to be bent over and rapped with said shaft. - if the service manager wants to argue with you about the axle replacement, tell him you are going to take it to another dealer and not to be surprised if ussa refuses to pay for the $1700 bill their parts cannon caused. Oh it got even better I was there for about four hours while they dicked around. Dealership service Jackie came out and said Yep somethings been we don’t know what it’s either the axle in the frame go deal with the collision company. I said they sent it to you to be fixed and now you’re telling me you don’t know. Funny part is I got a dealership survey from the jeep I have a feeling they’re not going to be happy when they get slammed on it. Had a come to Jesus call with the insurance company and my damage specialist. Found a closer independent shop who now has the jeep and is checking the frame and the axle to see what has been bent. USAA could give two shits about what these places have thrown at it in parts because no supplemental claims were ever filed so as far as I know they likely will not be paid. USSA called me and shared an interesting tidbit that after I left the dealership, tthe collision shop faxed over a hand written piece of paper with a price for the axle replacement no part numbers or anything the insurance company just laughed. Yes before the axle replacement the rear toe on that side was .52 |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 7:13:42 PM EDT
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Ok,if axel shaft was bent when the wheel is turned the toe would go in and out of spec. It will stay the same if axel tube is bent. The dealer that replaced the axel must not know the axel spins??
It should be pretty easy to see the bend. Inspect the tube for creases,bulges or dimples. Go to a real body shop NOT THE DEALER. Good luck. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 2:27:43 PM EDT
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This Wednesday will be 10 days that they new shop has it. USSA dropped the ball in getting the new shop the needed paperwork. Said they could not do it till the 1st shop closed out the claim. As of right now waiting for the new shop to get an open spot on the frame machine to check that before the order a rear axle.
Sad part is if they order an axle the insurance company will only approve a loaded housing. Meaning they will have to pull the rear shafts dissemble and remove bearings and reassemble into new housing. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 8:18:11 PM EDT
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Figured I’d post an update. Received a call today that the vehicle is complete and will be picking it up tomorrow. The new repair shop replaced the rear axle housing. I’ll take a look at the new alignment sheets before I pick it up tomorrow just to make sure.
The crappy part is with what insurance spent on the labor and parts I could’ve easily ordered up a semi float Dana 60 built built right into the JK and had a much b for your replacement. Unfortunately had to go with OEM replacement. All told almost $11,000 in repairs all because the kid fell asleep at the wheel and hit me |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 8:20:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Figured I’d post an update. Received a call today that the vehicle is complete and will be picking it up tomorrow. The new repair shop replaced the rear axle housing. I’ll take a look at the new alignment sheets before I pick it up tomorrow just to make sure. The crappy part is with what insurance spent on the labor and parts I could’ve easily ordered up a semi float Dana 60 built built right into the JK and had a much b for your replacement. Unfortunately had to go with OEM replacement. All told almost $11,000 in repairs all because the kid fell asleep at the wheel and hit me Post the new housing and axles on Pirate 4x4 and order yourself your 1ton axle set after you get your tax return and Biden bux.  
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Posted: 3/15/2021 9:57:53 PM EDT
[#32]
Good to hear at least it sounds like it finally got fixed right.
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Posted: 3/15/2021 11:07:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2021 5:20:29 PM EDT
[#34]
Well the saga continues. Went to pick it up today. The side that was hit previously had .50* of toe. According to Jeep the spec is .25* per side with a combined total .50* as the max. As the new alignment sheet shows the new axle is .30* so still out of spec. Collision shop has a call into Jeep to look into this.
To top it off before I leave the parking lot I shift into 4low and engage the locker only to be greeted by a flashing light telling me it will not engage. So back inside to ask them if they tried the locker. Nope only shifted into 4Hi to make sure there was no binding in the driveline. Dumbass says drive it and see if it engages after it’s warm. At that point my ride had left so I had no choice but to drive it home. And of course no different when I got home. So now they are waiting till tomorrow to hear from the local dealer if I have to take it there or return it to the collision shop.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/16/2021 5:22:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well the saga continues. Went to pick it up today. The side that was hit previously had .50* of toe. According to Jeep the spec is .25* per side with a combined total .50* as the max. As the new alignment sheet shows the new axle is .30* so still out of spec. Collision shop has a call into Jeep to look into this. To top it off before I leave the parking lot I shift into 4low and engage the locker only to be greeted by a flashing light telling me it will not engage. So back inside to ask them if they tried the locker. Nope only shifted into 4Hi to make sure there was no binding in the driveline. Dumbass says drive it and see if it engages after it’s warm. At that point my ride had left so I had no choice but to drive it home. And of course no different when I got home. So now they are waiting till tomorrow to hear from the local dealer if I have to take it there or return it to the collision shop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/5530/50AF379B-1622-4E35-9F9A-38FBE4745BC3_jpe-1868124.JPG Oh boy. |
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Posted: 3/18/2021 9:34:51 AM EDT
[#36]
Sounding like it’s frame machine time.
That sucks. |
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Posted: 3/19/2021 12:26:02 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounding like it’s frame machine time. That sucks. Supposedly it was put on the frame machine and passed before they put the new axle in. I have the printout but it’s damn near unreadable due to a there printer being a piece of shit. I dropped it back off yesterday and they were supposed to look at it today but I never heard from them. |
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Posted: 3/19/2021 12:27:08 AM EDT
[#38]
Today was 83 days since the accident
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Posted: 3/19/2021 11:27:20 AM EDT
[#39]
I know where you can pick up a frame...
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Someone-left-a-2021-Jeep-Wrangler-Rubicon-in-4-Low-and-flat-towed-it-behind-a-RV-/5-2436313/ |
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Posted: 3/19/2021 12:08:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supposedly it was put on the frame machine and passed before they put the new axle in. I have the printout but it’s damn near unreadable due to a there printer being a piece of shit. I dropped it back off yesterday and they were supposed to look at it today but I never heard from them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounding like it’s frame machine time. That sucks. Supposedly it was put on the frame machine and passed before they put the new axle in. I have the printout but it’s damn near unreadable due to a there printer being a piece of shit. I dropped it back off yesterday and they were supposed to look at it today but I never heard from them. Thrust angle still being off to the right is saying to me there is still something bent there on that side. It reduced with the housing replacement, so that means that it was indeed bent. I suppose it would be too much to ask of them if they have center to center measurements of the wheel/axle centerpoints of each side. That would likely show that the left side is shorter(closer together) meaning that side is slightly bent in near/at the mounting points of the rear axle where you got hit. |
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Posted: 3/19/2021 9:35:59 PM EDT
[#41]
Well they promised me they would work on it Thursday morning. Needless to say never heard from them. I called today before they closed today and they told me they got stuck working on another vehicle and did not have time to get to mine.
Next week makes 3 months that it has been in a shop |
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Posted: 3/20/2021 8:54:16 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well the saga continues. Went to pick it up today. The side that was hit previously had .50* of toe. According to Jeep the spec is .25* per side with a combined total .50* as the max. As the new alignment sheet shows the new axle is .30* so still out of spec. Collision shop has a call into Jeep to look into this. To top it off before I leave the parking lot I shift into 4low and engage the locker only to be greeted by a flashing light telling me it will not engage. So back inside to ask them if they tried the locker. Nope only shifted into 4Hi to make sure there was no binding in the driveline. Dumbass says drive it and see if it engages after it’s warm. At that point my ride had left so I had no choice but to drive it home. And of course no different when I got home. So now they are waiting till tomorrow to hear from the local dealer if I have to take it there or return it to the collision shop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/5530/50AF379B-1622-4E35-9F9A-38FBE4745BC3_jpe-1868124.JPG Something tells me they didn't replace rear axel housing. Wish you were in my area,alignment and suspension diag and repair is pretty much all I do. A tape measure can tell you a whole lot. Ive seen body shops slot out hole on frames where control arms mount to try to mask actual issues. Good luck. |
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Posted: 3/20/2021 5:46:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something tells me they didn't replace rear axel housing. Wish you were in my area,alignment and suspension diag and repair is pretty much all I do. A tape measure can tell you a whole lot. Ive seen body shops slot out hole on frames where control arms mount to try to mask actual issues. Good luck. They 100% did replace the axle housing. I have the old one sitting in my garage. Went and picked it up when they were putting the new one in. Only reason I took it is that they ordered a loaded housing which included a new e-locker. I took the old housing and locker for spare parts. In all honesty with a new axle shaft and axle housing for the toe to be off something on the new housing must be bent. |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 8:11:56 AM EDT
[#44]
At this point it does sound like the frame or suspension mounts are tweaked. A hit hard enough to bent the rim, links, and axle housing probably pushed the link arm mounting points a bit. That's my scientific wild assed guess.
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Posted: 4/3/2021 10:49:13 AM EDT
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I did 4x4 alignment for years. Fix the thrust angle and I bet everything else will be in spec
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Posted: 4/6/2021 10:41:44 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I did 4x4 alignment for years. Fix the thrust angle and I bet everything else will be in spec Thrust angle is within spec it seems,total toe is whack. If the left rear toe is of that much on a solid axel housing the right rear should be close to the same amount out but the other way.Thrust angle woud verfiy this,but it doesn't. I know you have old rear but something fishy |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 8:53:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thrust angle is within spec it seems,total toe is whack. For if left rear to is of that much on a solid axel housing the right rear should be close to the same amount out but the other way.Thrust angle woud verfiy this,but it doesn't. I know you have old rear but something fishy Just because you can make the box green doesn’t mean it’s right |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 10:03:29 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just because you can make the box green doesn’t mean it’s right Hopefully they are'nt prying gauges around and displayed measurements are legitimate. |
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