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Posted: 5/12/2022 10:52:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2022 10:56:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2022 10:56:58 PM EDT
[#2]
The Reichsministry of Safety and Silly Walks has spoken.
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Posted: 5/12/2022 10:57:10 PM EDT
[#3]
Bullshit.
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Posted: 5/12/2022 11:01:02 PM EDT
[#4]
FAFT. A not-gun is now a gun because fuck you
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Posted: 5/12/2022 11:07:27 PM EDT
[#5]
 ATF Shuts Down Online Parts Seller For Unlawfully Selling "Firearms" |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 11:08:36 PM EDT
[#6]
I should stop by and see if they are still alive. Lol
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Posted: 5/12/2022 11:17:12 PM EDT
[#7]
Fuck the ATF
FJB |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 11:26:01 PM EDT
[#8]
There must be some new law. Hmmm I do not recall seeing one.
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Posted: 5/12/2022 11:33:26 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck the ATF FJB |
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Posted: 5/12/2022 11:42:19 PM EDT
[#10]
FAFT ain’t got a case against them
If they did there wouldn’t be a cease and desist letter They’d have confiscated everything and arrested folks |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 12:11:33 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I should stop by and see if they are still alive. Lol I am sure that all of the local dogs have been sodomized and shot |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 12:14:09 AM EDT
[#12]
Hey Matthew P Varisco, go fuck yourself.
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Posted: 5/13/2022 12:55:27 AM EDT
[#13]
"These kits therefore are firearms... have always been... notwithstanding the recent bullshit we claimed as a rule"...
Yeah, no! The inclusion or presence of instructions, tools or knowledge does not make an object into a firearm. Never has, never will. Nor is pipe, tubing and other solid parts a silencer or suppressor. Go ahead and try to fire a bullet with and through either, you lying shitbags. “Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule-making or legislation which would abrogate them.” -–Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436 (1966) |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 12:58:46 AM EDT
[#14]
I'm not sure if I should snag one of the few P80 frames still floating around online.
I'm really wanting a PF9SS and a PF45 badly. |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 12:59:10 AM EDT
[#15]
If I read that letter correctly, hardware stores now need a FFL if they sell lumber and pipe, even if they "structure transactions" to avoid selling them together.
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Posted: 5/13/2022 1:59:10 AM EDT
[#16]
NRA will save us.
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Posted: 5/13/2022 2:31:50 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure if I should snag one of the few P80 frames still floating around online. I'm really wanting a PF9SS and a PF45 badly. Yeah. I need to pick up a PF45 frame to do a 10mm. |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 2:55:57 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. I need to pick up a PF45 frame to do a 10mm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not sure if I should snag one of the few P80 frames still floating around online. I'm really wanting a PF9SS and a PF45 badly. Yeah. I need to pick up a PF45 frame to do a 10mm. If I pick up a PF45 frame, I'll just settle for separate parts kits and complete slides. I don't expect to be switching between .45 ACP and 10mm frequently enough to justify picking up two PF45 frames. Money is a bit tight lately, anyways. |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 3:05:12 AM EDT
[#19]
1st the letter claims the shop is selling all the components at 1 time and that is why they determined that JSD needed an FFL to be a dealer.
Then selling the components separately makes them a dealer and they need an FFL. But an 80% was never a firearm and never needed an FFL to transfer them until they decided to change the definition of a firearm. GFY ATF |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 4:33:20 AM EDT
[#20]
How soon will anyone with a block of aluminum and a CNC or drill press get arrested for "constructive content"
 
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Posted: 5/13/2022 4:38:13 AM EDT
[#21]
ATF making it up as they go along, how typical
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Posted: 5/13/2022 4:43:47 AM EDT
[#22]
Is the Ministry of Truth involved in this debacle?
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Posted: 5/13/2022 5:57:54 AM EDT
[#23]
This is what happens when agencies become political
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Posted: 5/13/2022 5:59:38 AM EDT
[#24]
They don't want the dealers. They want the sales records
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Posted: 5/13/2022 6:35:45 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How soon will anyone with a block of aluminum and a CNC or drill press get arrested for "constructive content" As soon as the yutes figure out how to run the CNC machine, you can bet the government will determine the machine is the problem. |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 7:01:13 AM EDT
[#26]
At least the feds have their priorities straight.
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Posted: 5/13/2022 7:12:00 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How soon will anyone with a block of aluminum and a CNC or drill press get arrested for "constructive content" I've seen what the parts look like to make fully automatic firearms. How soon before I am arrested for violating the NFA and my head is chopped off? 
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Posted: 5/13/2022 7:13:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2022 7:19:48 AM EDT
[#29]
Pretty sure I could buy all the tools and materials to make a firearm from McMaster-Carr. Better shut them down as well.
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Posted: 5/13/2022 7:21:55 AM EDT
[#30]
For fuck's sake.
 ATF: "You must follow our rules." Business owners/gun owners: "Okay." ATF: "You're in violation for following our rules." Business owners/gun owners: "What?" ATF: "Oh, we changed our mind about our rules." |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 7:25:33 AM EDT
[#31]
If the left can recite, ‘There are no illegal people’ then it’s pretty obvious to me that as the constitution clearly states that every American has the right to bear arms then it must stand to reason we should be shouting that there is no such thing as an illegal gun.
The fatf cannot make law. The fatf needs to be disbanded and everyone involved with the fatf need to be tried for treason. |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 7:31:34 AM EDT
[#32]
Im going to have to tell my dry-cleaner, "no wire hangers", just to avoid this kind of shit... At least my Suits will be clean for court
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Posted: 5/13/2022 7:34:15 AM EDT
[#33]
"Fuck NY and their SAFE act. My state is free. I don't care what you dumb Yankees do. I don't need to help you guys fight the SAFE Act. You guys in NY need to move to a free state"  Did I hit all of em? |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 9:02:31 AM EDT
[#34]
I'm trying to wrap my head around the logic the ATF is using, and I just can't.
Best analogy I can think of off the top of my head is the local police pulling you over for driving 34 mph in a 35 mph zone, but giving you a speeding ticket because your car has the ability to exceed 35 mph. |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 9:08:49 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm trying to wrap my head around the logic the ATF is using, and I just can't. Best analogy I can think of off the top of my head is the local police pulling you over for driving 34 mph in a 35 mph zone, but giving you a speeding ticket because your car has the ability to exceed 35 mph. No. They’ll have to raid the car dealer you bought it from and the gas station. |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 9:20:42 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen what the parts look like to make fully automatic firearms. How soon before I am arrested for violating the NFA and my head is chopped off? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How soon will anyone with a block of aluminum and a CNC or drill press get arrested for "constructive content" I've seen what the parts look like to make fully automatic firearms. How soon before I am arrested for violating the NFA and my head is chopped off? You're on their list already. You are the illegal. You didn't even have to wade a river. |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 9:21:39 AM EDT
[#37]
government faggots
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Posted: 5/13/2022 9:36:07 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FAFT ain’t got a case against them If they did there wouldn’t be a cease and desist letter They’d have confiscated everything and arrested folks This. They know they don't got shit and are trying to frighten people into compliance and thus establish "quasi-case law"; i.e. if someone challenges them in court; they can point to compliance by small fish by JSD tactical etc as "proof" that selling 80%s is dealing in firearms as a rationale to a judge. |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 9:39:56 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is what happens when agencies become political this. the ATF is simply the anti gun enforcement arm of the government ATF: follow the rules Businesses: ok ATF: Surprise! we changed the rules lul |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:06:43 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck the ATF FJB |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:17:43 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryAhhhhh, the Dupe Police strike again. Dupe Police in an ATF shutting down freedom thread. The irony. 
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:19:45 AM EDT
[#42]
In to see where this goes...
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:20:02 AM EDT
[#43]
So selling all the components needed to assemble a firearm from an 80% lower is illegal? Hmm. Okay then: "click this link to order half the required items. You will receive an email tomorrow with a link to click on to order the other half"
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:21:15 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Im going to have to tell my dry-cleaner, "no wire hangers", just to avoid this kind of shit... At least my Suits will be clean for court Switch to slip on or velcro fastened shoes too just to be safe. 
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:22:48 AM EDT
[#45]
I'd change the ATF mission to manufacturer baby formula for the next fifty years. Once they have that down, it's on to dog food.
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:28:52 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So selling all the components needed to assemble a firearm from an 80% lower is illegal? Hmm. Okay then: "click this link to order half the required items. You will receive an email tomorrow with a link to click on to order the other half" Read the ATF letter. They have that covered also. |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:29:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So selling all the components needed to assemble a firearm from an 80% lower is illegal? Hmm. Okay then: "click this link to order half the required items. You will receive an email tomorrow with a link to click on to order the other half" Are we going to start requiring you to buy your components for a gun in 5 different places? |
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:38:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Fuck NY and their SAFE act. My state is free. I don't care what you dumb Yankees do. I don't need to help you guys fight the SAFE Act. You guys in NY need to move to a free state" Did I hit all of em? Oh THAT'S gonna ruffle some jimmies... 
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:38:25 AM EDT
[#49]
Might as well just make shit up as you go I guess.
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Posted: 5/13/2022 10:48:04 AM EDT
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Theoretically, what if places like this were to setup a second LLC?
So, JSD Supply sells 80% receivers, then JSD Parts sold completion kits? Would these kind of legal gymnastics satisfy the mental gymnastics FAFT is applying to the GCA? Side note, I've never been interested in the 80% game... until FAFT didn't want me to have any. |
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