Maybe those motivational posters would help...

Non-compliance is a large part of the reason why Non-Restricted firearms are no longer in a registry in Canada. The RCMP website noted this in the past.

Sometimes it's fucking scary in how simply you get a relevant point across. No bullshit.

Besides you, who is advocating such here?

In for answers.

I always knew there would be a day of reckoning.  After all, on one hand you have the Left pushing for more and more draconian gun laws.  Including bans and confiscations.

On the other hand, you have our site, with a policy of "thou shalt not post about breaking the law".

At some point, those two ideas collide.

It appears we are at or close to that point.

This is the same moral conundrum that caused Conservative principles to lose so much ground over the last few generations of society.

Our founding fathers said "a law that is contrary to the Constitution, is null and void".

"SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED".

Seems pretty clear to me.

It seems to me that rather than partnering with Brownell's, it might be better for the site to partner with a series of Second Amendment groups such as GOA, Second Amendment Foundation, and maybe whatever the top 2nd Amendment group is at the state level from each state......allowing us to utilize the aggregate of these groups' legal resources and with the site essentially becoming an extension of those groups' "First Amendment rights to political free speech".  If there is a danger of the site's posts becoming fodder for legal action, then the defense of it is going to center around the First Amendment right to political speech, even political speech that some may find distasteful.

I sometimes wonder what some are using here. They make the most incoherent rant and call it reasoned thinking. If anyone doesn't agree, the name calling follows. Whatever logical point they are trying to make gets lost in the lies and firebrand diatribe. People just tune them out, then they get angry no one is listening to them.

I do agree with the original post. We are at minimum approaching a crossroad, if we are not there already.

One cannot hear the bells of freedom through the clanking of the heavy chains of servitude.

I will not comply

If an AWB passes it will most definitely not be like the 1994 ban.  They’ve learned their lesson.  It will be a ban on possession of semi auto.

At that point, if you mention an AR15 in its normal configuration you will be breaking the law.

It’s really damn simple to understand why he is posting that as a hypothetical, unless you are being intentionally obtuse.

That's not obvious to me.

And yet, GB insists there is no problem with AWS.  So your point is obviously irrelevant.

comply with the sudden interest in rigorously enforcing the CoC

Have you read current CA and NY gun laws?  What OP described is not so far fetched.  What was legal in one year is illegal the next., one can become a felon by the simple act of doing nothing.

No shit, WTF!?!

Shush, they might notice you...  The Great Purge of 2019 continues.  

Quisling fucks.  

The best way to stop the signal is to buy the radio station.

“Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God”
- Benjamin Franklin

I am an old man, and I have been slowly selling off all my guns. Going to get rid of them before they become worthless. Burying them, or hiding them makes them worthless.
I have resigned myself to the fact that massive peaceful demonstration by gun owners is never going to happen, and shit talking on the Internet is the most the majority will ever do.
I feel sorry for the young guys here, and their children.
When you cannot speak your mind on a "pro" gun forum, it's pretty much over.

Apparently we are mistaken, it's not a pro gun site, it's a pro LE site

There is no discussion on wether or not to obey bullshit laws. It’s your constitutional duty to disobey them.

If the Supreme Court was actually ruling based on the constitution, then they would all vote/rule the same.

I often hear noir compelling constitutional arguments here at Arfcom than by half the court.

First point is a Captain Obvious statement.

Second point: Mentioning an AR15 will not be illegal in any configuration. Claiming to own one doesn't actually mean you do own one. It would just make you stupid and suspect. Posting a picture of you holding one doesn't mean the picture was taken after they were banned unless you claim so. Again that just makes you stupid and suspect. In either case it does not make you a criminal, yet.

Third point: His hypothetical is meant to be a Mod taunt. The time for civil disobedience is before such laws are passed, ie. now. After the fact is too little, too late. Shock the politicians at the number of people who actually get off their ass in support the Constitution. The next step is to focus on the ballot box. Deliver the message. "Lip service to the Constitution or outright defiance of it will not be tolerated." Replace those who do with real pro-Constitutional candidates.

Paying some lobbyist to be our mouthpiece so we can watch the next weekend round of football games with our buds is an insult to the Constitution. There are hundreds of thousands of lobbyists and they are lost in a sea of blah, blah, blah. We are the ones that need to be bugging our politicians and getting off our asses, and show up in huge numbers to protest. That requires organization. So far our gun rights groups can't get past their over inflated egos to work together to make such an event happen. Don't forget they are members of the swamp too. They are failing us, every last one of them. They beg for our money like a bunch of street beggars, dress up in their new 3 piece suits, have a five minute sit down with a couple politicians and call it a week. That, a PR magazine, and some really cheap crap made in China is mostly what the average gun owner is getting for his dues. They need to be mobilizing us to action, real action.

I'm talking about a real protest, 2-3 million gun owners style. Melt the DC phone lines and stuff their e-mail boxes weekly until they get the message, "Shall not be infringed." A few hundred protesters showing up in some obscure park or lawn isn't cutting it. It's counter productive. We need a sea of gun owners to show up. As it is now, when a politician thinks of gun owners, they think some well healed DC card carrying swamp member making his gratuitous visit. We need to change the narrative, ditch the DC swamp game. We need them to remember the sea of peaceful but pissed off pro-Constitution gun owners. The swamp needs to grasp we gun owners will not retreat and disappear into the night. They really don't want that to happen.

So tell us just who was arrested and convicted for merely saying, "AR15." Don't be absurd. No one here is advocating any AWB program. The hyperbole is way over the top. After such a ban do you think if 100 million people said, "I own an AR15, come get me!" the prisons would be overflowing over night? You think the cops would open 100 million investigations and arrest everyone of us, only to find no AR15s? It would literally bankrupt the legal system, take a century to investigate only to have even more people make the same statement. Don't be absurd. They want to take away our vote and voice at the ballot box. It is all they need to destroy this country. They don't need to convict 100 million people claiming to have AR15s. They just brought in 30 million illegals and that is all they need to tip the election scales in their favor forever. While you are playing checkers, they are playing 3D chess. The politicians are counting on you not getting away from your TV and 6 pack to stop them and so far they are right. See my previous post.

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@Lieh-tzu

Although I get the flavor of your post I do accept the fact that if a law is enacted where (1) semi auto rifles are banned and (2) people do not voluntarily turn in their semi auto rifles AND the law requires that there will be confiscations, then (3) I believe there are probably quite a few LEO's who will confiscate them when told to do so.

Do you agree?

ETA:  Should I be banned for saying that?

No you should not be banned for that, but you still might be.

Your memes on the other hand....

I fully expect only a relative few LEOs would turn in their badge than enforce an unconstitutional law. The attitude is ingrained, "Let the courts fight it out not us." Is that not what we are told when we disagree with a ticket? We pay the fine because we can't afford the legal cost to fight it. We also can't afford to lose what little we own in this life. In a sense, it is low-level tyranny although I don't blame the LEOs for that. They didn't write the laws they are hired to enforce. Nor are they the judges hired to decide what is good and what is bad.

Our system of government was designed for a moral society where the judicial system was meant more as a backup not the front line. As the people behave in a moral manner, there is less need for law enforcement and court intervention. Such is not the case in our society today where so many think they don't need a moral code they are answerable to follow to a higher being. Even on GD I often see people declare they are above the law and it shouldn't apply to them.

As I stated earlier, throwing us all in jail is not the objective, silencing our vote is. However they do it, the end justifies the means. There is that lack of morals popping up. The goal is to silence us, to neutralize us, and to subjugate us. No all that hard to see is it?

Fair enough...…it sounded like you felt confiscations would not occur even if the law dictated there would be confiscations.

And I believe that if the law said there would be confiscations then there would probably be quite a few LEO's who carry out that order.

Reported.

Almost every cop who's pulled me over for a violation has given me a chance to explain my side. I've been let off more times than not, but that might be because I don't act like a jerk. It's probably a breath of fresh air to deal with a civil person when you're swimming in a sea of jerks.

There are a some points to make:

1) Having the site hosted by Amazon was a poor decision.  That's an openly leftist company and those critters have been demonstrating time after time that they do not want dissent and will censor it.  They can pull the plug on ARFCOM at any time.

2) Regarding topic 1, the leftists have been demonstrating they have absolutely no regard for the laws and openly disobey them, and also incentive their kin to do it.  We are dealing with a scum that does not follow any rules and will do their best to hang us by the ones we follow.  An example of how it works is watching Trump beating them on their own game.

I really enjoy this site and hope we do not fall in the trap of trying to look politically correct (based on the left's rules) because that will only destroy us.  Of course, there are things that might not be ignored, such as promoting terrorist activities, etc.  But we are no antifa or crap like that.   Having said that, I understand how hard it is to mod this site, but please let's not fall into the political correctness trap.   The folks trying to stop us are far from it when it's a matter in their agendas.

Cheers!

This is being done right now, and by the site being hosted by Amazon only makes it a lot easier.  No need for mods to do that.

I don't think that CoC 4 was ever supposed to apply to ANYTHING that might be illegal ANYWHERE. If you read it, it really seems that it was intended to apply to serious threats of violence against an individual, or govt officials

It's poorly worded though, and the "follow the rules at all cost" mentality of some with mod status has lead to its meaning being expanded to cover things it was never meant to

It is the Interstate Commerce clause of the COC. It means whatever they want it to mean, and just like in the real world most of those rules don't apply to those who enforce them.

Some times you just need to roll the dice.  But the punishment for being wrong sure is a valid reason for never giving up.

Who determines a law is Unconstitutional? You?

William M. Skretny.

I agree. I've been pulled over on about 4 occasions in my life. I'm always polite and honest. Two occasions, I was given a warning and let go. Once I got a ticket for speeding and he reduced the ticket to a lower speed than I was actually going. I was grateful. The other case was an idiot backing up on the Ohio turnpike and the van in front of me swerved to miss him but I couldn't. By God's grace I walked away. The cop did a poor report and I had to see a judge who didn't give a crap about the facts. The idiot sued me and lost when a real investigator and the van driver was found and proved it was the idiot's fault. It's illegal to backup on the turnpike. His transmission was found in the reverse gear. The van driver had called the police and backed up my statement but that too was ignored until the idiot sued and the truth came out.

However, when it comes to gun confiscation, you are up against a wall you can not overcome alone, nice won't impress them at that point. You need a good lawyer and say nothing until you do. Still be nice. The battle to fight is in the courtroom not at the police station.

A lot of people make their own problems when they get confrontational. You dig your own hole at your own risk. Some like to keep digging as deep as they can go.

Last time I got pulled over for speeding the cop cut me no breaks. He even somehow knew I had a CCW license despite me driving a vehicle not registered to me. I didn't ask him how he knew, just did as he told me: handed over my weapon as and waited as he took it back to his cruiser and returned it to me unloaded and one bullet at a time from the magazine.

It would be a lot easier for this site/owners of this site to get into trouble for what people here say, compared to the people who actually say it. They can't fully support anything if the site gets shut down.

Mind

Blown

Looking at what is going on around here, Occams Razor dictates that they have already handed as much of this information over as they could, and did it willingly.

Never fear - had you been in mind when I wrote that, I would hav mentioned your name :).

Good reply.    More far eloquent than than the one I would have crafted, and you didn’t even have to use any words or phrases like “coward” “quisling” “sellout” or “morally bankrupt and weak”.

Sides are being chosen.  Lines are being drawn.

People who lack all faith and people who don’t care about their legacy, will inevitably take the easy way out.

Stormfront is a site dedicated to racism, extremism, hate speech, being a neo-Nazi, denying the Holocaust, hating the Jews, etc. It has had membership linked to violent crimes, to include murder. It has been online uninterrupted since 1996, with the exception of a month in 2017:

The Pirate Bay, which hosts links to illegal downloads, has been online pretty much constantly since 2003.  It has been attacked by every means imaginable by many governments in the world.  One of the owners was sentenced to a year in Swedish jail, but had his sentence reduced:

If white supremacists and pirates are willing to stand by their causes and see them through, then shouldn't people who claim to be an "unfiltered" host for pro-Constitutional voices?

Arfcom could never be as vile as Stormfront.  It could never rival the quantity of illegal content on TPB.  It's hard to believe the site is under such threat when the two examples I used and hundreds of others are still around.

All we are asking is to be allowed to discuss peaceful activism in support of a basic human right.  Civil disobedience can win our cause nonviolently and effectively, as it has won other causes in the past.

Well, if you post it on the wall and the owners don’t remove it?    Maybe.

Or, the place could be burned down by thugs, official, or otherwise.

We’re in a brave new world.

Freedom isn’t free.  How did we get so fucking complacent and so pussified, that this is even a question?

Politics isn’t a clean sanitary process like you think it is.
It never has been.    Read some history.   Educate yourself.

This is completely possible, the problem is it takes a tremendous degree of coordination using activist infrastructure gunnies don’t currently have.

There’s no real intrinsic difference between the lefties that turn out tens of thousands of protesters at a moment’s notice and righties that don’t, other than the lefties have the activist infrastructure and experienced planners to pull it off.

Thanks for the intelligent, well thought out post Ohio.
And thank you TBS, for letting this thread run.

This is a very important topic.  Arguably the most important of our lives.   I understand how it’s unfair and illogical for people to expect Arfcom to be the local sons of Liberty tavern. By definition, it can never become that.

However, it still needs to be a gathering place, at least until we are all criminalized.   Trump bought us Time, but anyone who doesn’t see the handwriting on the wall by now, is willfully blind.