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Posted: 10/6/2021 10:07:08 PM EDT
the trend?

When I begin looking at retrofitting my g19 gen 4, it is beginning to add up quickly. Milling...then optic....then I think I'm a poor.

I like the red dots. Again, it seems it kicks a CCW to almost double in cost.

Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:11:51 PM EDT
I'm more accurate with a dot, but I'm faster with irons.
I prefer Irons on a P226 vs a RMR Glock
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:13:15 PM EDT
I use iron sights.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:13:24 PM EDT
I just stick with irons. No batteries needed.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:13:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Scare_Crow:
I'm more accurate with a dot, but I'm faster with irons.
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FPNI for me.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:15:25 PM EDT
Night sights are as high tech as I get.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:15:36 PM EDT
I have no doubt red dots are better, it's just not where I've invested my gun money.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:17:04 PM EDT
I shoot faster with irons but, I miss more often. I shoot slightly slower with RDS but, I hit every shot. The question is, which would work best in a self defense situation? I need to time it some day to see. Honestly, I'm sticking with the RDS. Plus, I can hit dead on farther out with the RDS than with irons. YMMV.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:17:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:
I have no doubt red dots are better, it's just not where I've invested my gun money.
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This is where I am. I don't intend to invest in another gun short term.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:18:56 PM EDT
I’m broke. Poor. Destitute.

Irons.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:19:10 PM EDT
There are advantages and disadvantages.

I like the simplicity of irons.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:20:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By southernguy:
the trend?

When I begin looking at retrofitting my g19 gen 4, it is beginning to add up quickly. Milling...then optic....then I think I'm a poor.

I like the red dots. Again, it seems it kicks a CCW to almost double in cost.

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Millennial here. I'm in the same boat.
But I'm taking the dive. Just need to send my slide off to be milled already bought the RMR.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:21:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Scare_Crow:
I'm more accurate with a dot, but I'm faster with irons.
I prefer Irons on a P226 vs a RMR Glock
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That’s easily fixed for absolutely free.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:22:07 PM EDT
Once you mill the slide and recoat you are basically at the cost of an MOS Glock. Just get one of those and watch sales on Primary Arms. Last month or the month before they had some RMRs in the mid to high $400's and then on top of it had 12% off sales. Then boom, now you have an RMR on your Glock.

The trick with red dots is training with them. Learning how to properly present the dot to your eyes. Once you get it, it opens up a whole new world with how much more you can see while shooting.

Highly recommended.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:22:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M4Real:
I shoot faster with irons but, I miss more often. I shoot slightly slower with RDS but, I hit every shot. The question is, which would work best in a self defense situation? I need to time it some day to see. Honestly, I'm sticking with the RDS. Plus, I can hit dead on farther out with the RDS than with irons. YMMV.
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So you’re not faster with irons.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:25:05 PM EDT
In before the future is now old man jpg





Red dots are awesome, I should have got into them sooner.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:26:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:28:04 PM EDT
With my old eyes I can see the rds much better than irons. My edc is a P365XL with a HS507KX2.

I have 2 P320s, 2 P365XLs, a G19 and a G40 with rds on them.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:28:55 PM EDT
Just get a gun that's ready for the dot, glock mos, etc. You'll like it after you get used to it. Don't mill guns you already shoot.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:29:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AnvilUSMC:
Once you mill the slide and recoat you are basically at the cost of an MOS Glock. Just get one of those and watch sales on Primary Arms. Last month or the month before they had some RMRs in the mid to high $400's and then on top of it had 12% off sales. Then boom, now you have an RMR on your Glock.

The trick with red dots is training with them. Learning how to properly present the dot to your eyes. Once you get it, it opens up a whole new world with how much more you can see while shooting.

Highly recommended.
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I bought my RMR from Lanbo's in June, $425 shipped.

1 xTRIJICON RMR TYPE 2 6.5 MOA BLK (TRRM02-C-700607)$417.17
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Sub-Total:$417.17
USPS (1 Boxes) (0 lbs, 11 oz) (First-Class™ Package Service):$8.70
Total:$425.87
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:29:33 PM EDT
Iron Boomer
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:29:56 PM EDT
I don't have a pistol with only irons on it anymore.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:32:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Overkill777:
There are advantages and disadvantages.

I like the simplicity of irons.
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Single dot front, black rear sight, is really easy to aim quickly. No batteries required.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:33:05 PM EDT
I don't think red dots are absolutely necessary, but I decided to start making the change about 6 months ago. There's definitely a learning curve, but I'm really starting to dig it. I started with a couple of P365X's with RMSc's. Then I had a G43X milled for a RMRcc which is now a pretty awesome pistol, IMO. Gonna send out one of my G19's and a G17 next. I'm sold!





Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:33:35 PM EDT
My daily carry gun is an M&P 2.0 Core with a Holosun 507C ACSS Vulcan. It's a beautiful chevron reticle with a big circle that's projected just outside of your FOV to help you in case you lose the chevron.

As far as rifles go, though, I definitely appreciate an AR or AK with irons.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:35:29 PM EDT
Irons with a laser on my main edc.  Optic and light on Hd gun.

EDC is optics ready, but so far don’t want to add bulk to it, and can’t really see much benefit of one for my purposes.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:38:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brachiosaur:

I bought my RMR from Lanbo's in June, $425 shipped.

1 xTRIJICON RMR TYPE 2 6.5 MOA BLK (TRRM02-C-700607)$417.17
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Sub-Total:$417.17
USPS (1 Boxes) (0 lbs, 11 oz) (First-Class™ Package Service):$8.70
Total:$425.87
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Originally Posted By brachiosaur:
Originally Posted By AnvilUSMC:
Once you mill the slide and recoat you are basically at the cost of an MOS Glock. Just get one of those and watch sales on Primary Arms. Last month or the month before they had some RMRs in the mid to high $400's and then on top of it had 12% off sales. Then boom, now you have an RMR on your Glock.

The trick with red dots is training with them. Learning how to properly present the dot to your eyes. Once you get it, it opens up a whole new world with how much more you can see while shooting.

Highly recommended.

I bought my RMR from Lanbo's in June, $425 shipped.

1 xTRIJICON RMR TYPE 2 6.5 MOA BLK (TRRM02-C-700607)$417.17
---------
Sub-Total:$417.17
USPS (1 Boxes) (0 lbs, 11 oz) (First-Class™ Package Service):$8.70
Total:$425.87


That's a sweet deal. How do you like the 6.5 moa? I've only used the 1 and 3.25.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:38:32 PM EDT
Early GenX-er here (circa 1967).

I resisted optics on handguns for a long time.

Just ordered a Holosun 407k-X2 for my G48 MOS.




Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:39:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/6/2021 10:40:49 PM EDT by mayday]
LOL, and my two primary carry guns dont even have sights.






Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:39:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/6/2021 10:40:48 PM EDT by waz0wski]
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:40:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sparkyfender2:
Night sights are as high tech as I get.
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This.

I want a RDS gun, but I’m a little scared I’ll get ruined and have to change them all…
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:40:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Buckeye67:
Early GenX-er here (circa 1967).

I resisted optics on handguns for a long time.

Just ordered a Holosun 407k-X2 for my G48 MOS.




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You're 2 years older then me, but I resisted too. You will be happy!
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:41:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/6/2021 10:47:16 PM EDT by tetoncounty]
I use both in competition, on revolvers and autoloaders.
I definitely see the improvement in performance with red dots in action shooting competitions, steel shoots, and plates at distance (20-25 yds).

I will stick with irons for carry, at least for now. My reasoning: my performance with irons and red dots out to seven yards is no different, and I'm having trouble imagining a legitimate defense scenario where red dots will give me an edge.

I CAN envision scenarios when red dots would be a problem:
-Somebody dumps me on my ass in the snow and I come up with my gun to find the red dot packed with snow.
-I come out of my heated truck and draw in very cold weather, and the red dot immediately fogs up.
-It's raining like a sumbitch when the time comes, same problem.

I've experienced some of this in competition. Trying to shoot plates in a driving snowstorm with a red dot is.......interesting.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:41:46 PM EDT
Can someone post pics of a 642 with a dot?  Thx!

Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:42:12 PM EDT
I have a rds on my carry gun, but I might go back to irons - not for any reasons you might think..






I'm tired of the red dot window becoming a collection bucket for my chest hair. Every day, I have to blow hair and lint out, and wipe what won't come out with air with a q-tip.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:43:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By styles:
Can someone post pics of a 642 with a dot?  Thx!

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There is zero help for you.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:44:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz:


You're 2 years older then me, but I resisted too. You will be happy!
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Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:46:27 PM EDT
I just purchased an RMRcc today for my 48. Schuyler at $375 is a buy it now deal https://www.schuylerarmsco.com/october-sale/red-dotsoptics-993

All my carry guns are going to be RMR with irons forward. Red dots make me a better pistol shooter, with dot or with irons. So why not always practice with them?

Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:46:57 PM EDT
Up The Irons !!

Nothing against an RDS, I will probably get one at some point but even as I’ve aged I still shoot iron sights just fine.  When that changes, then I’ll pickup a the appropriate Glock and a Trijicon.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:47:25 PM EDT
I'm no boomer, but I prefer irons. Have considered trading in my CZ75 SP01 for a CZ P10F optics ready and throwing a holosun on it though. Them mags be expensive though.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:47:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NorCalRT:
I just purchased an RMRcc today for my 48. Schuyler at $375 is a buy it now deal https://www.schuylerarmsco.com/october-sale/red-dotsoptics-993

All my carry guns are going to be RMR with irons forward. Red dots make me a better pistol shooter, with dot or with irons. So why not always practice with them?

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That's a damn good price!
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:48:13 PM EDT
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Sticking with irons isn't a boomer thing, sheesh. In fact, most of them do like red dots because of failing eyesight. And besides, I'm a millennial, lol. Different strokes for different folks. Why do we need to make lines over such semantic pettiness, anyways?

And unless anyone wanting to argue the above is offering to fund this for me, they won't have any opinion worth listening to really for me.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:50:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jonny1904:
Sticking with irons isn't a boomer thing, sheesh. Different strokes for different folks. Why do we need to make lines over such semantic pettiness, anyways?

And unless anyone wanting to argue the above is offering to fund this for me, then their opinion ain't worth shit to me.
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But boomers are ruining the planet.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:51:06 PM EDT
Gen X checking in.  Red dot all things.  I have seen my future and it's 100% target focused.  I've fought eye dominance issues all my life.  As I approached and passed fifty seeing far away and up close became more difficult.  The TLDR version, I've always struggled to be both fast and accurate.  Always had to roll or turn my head, squint, etc in order to not see two front sights.  Six weeks ago I bought a G34 (my first glock) and topped it with a Holosun 507c.  First magazine was damn near one ragged hole.  Put 250 rounds through the gun day one.  I've put another 1000 rounds down range in the last month.   I already had a pretty good presentation.  It's dialed in now.  I'm now (reasonably) fast and accurate.  I'm about to sell off some HKs to fund more Glock/RMR combos.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:51:30 PM EDT
The only reason my 17.5 and 43X do not have dots yet is because I keep forgetting to send the slides off to be milled every time I leave town for work.

Kharn
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:51:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sparkyfender2:
Night sights are as high tech as I get.
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Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:52:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz:


But boomers are ruining the planet.
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Yet having a red dot on my handgun is saving the planet? lol, k

Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:53:02 PM EDT
The future is now old man! I put this together last night. I can't wait to get out and shoot it.

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Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:53:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sparkyfender2:
Night sights are as high tech as I get.
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Ayup. I'm not James Bond and I am certainly not chasing anybody.
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:53:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz:


But boomers are ruining the planet.
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz:
Originally Posted By Jonny1904:
Sticking with irons isn't a boomer thing, sheesh. Different strokes for different folks. Why do we need to make lines over such semantic pettiness, anyways?

And unless anyone wanting to argue the above is offering to fund this for me, then their opinion ain't worth shit to me.


But boomers are ruining the planet.


06er
Link Posted: 10/6/2021 10:54:22 PM EDT
I was not a fan of RDS on pistols but I tried it out on a glock 19.
For me it actually seemed to take longer to get on target.
A few months later I was lucky enough to take a weekend class from a great instructor and it was like a light was turned on.
My pistol shooting is better than it has even been prior to using them.
I switched over my duty weapon ( glock 17/rmr) and my carry pistol ( glock 19/rmr ) to RDS and since Ive added a 43x, FN FNX tactical, and 19x over to the dreaded red dot.
Ill never go back.
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