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It really just seems like it should all be common sense, no issues, but dang if you dont see quickly that the perspectives are very different. A big thing I observed was the law and ems sides did not have the same ideas on expectations. EMS figures law clears the area, escorts in to rapid triage and escorts the move out to a CCP and so on. Law, well they just kinda didnt know what the EMS side was going to do or how to interact with them. Ended up having EMS in an area that wasnt clear, no escort out or back in for the next round, comms were garbage as usual but no one switching to a secondary for triage or transport, everyone on the main channel even when a secondary was requested... all stuff that can and does happen so again, not criticizing, just stressing the importance of everyone learning to be on the same page.
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It really just seems like it should all be common sense, no issues, but dang if you dont see quickly that the perspectives are very different. A big thing I observed was the law and ems sides did not have the same ideas on expectations. EMS figures law clears the area, escorts in to rapid triage and escorts the move out to a CCP and so on. Law, well they just kinda didnt know what the EMS side was going to do or how to interact with them. Ended up having EMS in an area that wasnt clear, no escort out or back in for the next round, comms were garbage as usual but no one switching to a secondary for triage or transport, everyone on the main channel even when a secondary was requested... all stuff that can and does happen so again, not criticizing, just stressing the importance of everyone learning to be on the same page.
This is because the concept of EMS being in any place besides staging is a relatively new concept. Not all law enforcement are happy with it, either. Law is tasked with bringing immediate control to that particular situation. The ones that aren't actively hunting are supposed to be setting up safe areas to stage resources, prevent more intrusion, corral anyone leaving for investigation, and be extra eyes during the evolution.
Generating teams to escort EMS around... I have some ideas about how that materialized into the program, but it's not worth speculating on.
As law enforcement loses more and more scene control over to the EMA and various other entities / multi-agency command tents sprouting up, you're going to see more and more changes to how law enforcement interacts with the other elements at the scene.
I wanted to talk about this for a second:
EMS figures law clears the area, escorts in to rapid triage
Never, ever ever think for a second that anywhere in front of the police cars is a 'cleared area' until
it is all over. You may already realize this, but I wanted to reiterate in case what you're learning isn't making it clear.
Law enforcement's number one priority in this specific type of incident is to close with and stop the killer(s). This is not like other types of incidents, and previous ways to handle this incident, which required a LOT of manpower and slow, deliberate cordon, search, clear AND HOLD of areas.
As the contact teams buzz through, there is a real and serious probability that there could be a lay-back, or that the initial assault was a come-on in order to funnel responders (like YOU) into a previously-established kill zone.
If you chose to sack up and go in, understand that you are in no man's land, and you should treat it like territory that remains at-risk until conclusively cleared hours later.
As far as the initial post, while I agree that multi-agency / multi-discipline training is generally a good idea, from my limited current perspective there simply isn't enough manpower to pull entire shifts off the street to go do these things, and I suspect it is the same from the EMS side, less so from fire.
Full scale exercises are very dangerous and laborious to plan out; this translates into costs most jurisdictions won't shell out, or it takes away from the jillion other taskings in the training budgets. Exercises that are limited in scope and reach usually have better outcomes; there are simply too many training points in a giant non-Federal exercise. Just getting everybody to walk down a common school or business would generate a lot of positive outcomes but that too appears to still be a rarity.
Interesting topic, though