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Posted: 3/20/2019 7:30:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. I hear it referred to as USPSA "Lite" now and it was better before the 2017 rule change. Right I am using IDPA for gun handling and basics to get back up to speed after shooting a shotgun league for two years and having my pistol skills deteriorate. Also the squad I shoot on is a good group and not a bunch of FUDDS, most of them do or have shoot USPSA and mutigun in the past. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 7:31:12 PM EDT
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There are over 100 people on Arfcom that have seen me shoot. Approximately zero would say it anything near inadequate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That's just something that people tell themselves to feel better when they get taken to the woodshed by a 63 year old C-Class shooter with a bad hip. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/241349/1952FC5D-7A66-4FDB-BE8B-053F616E74F1_jpeg-884386.JPG Glad you let us know just how awesome you are. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 7:43:03 PM EDT
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Sad a city as big as Vegas don't have legit USPSA matches. It don't look like even Hurricane does either. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 7:48:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are over 100 people on Arfcom that have seen me shoot. Approximately zero would say it anything near inadequate. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 8:08:26 PM EDT
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There are over 100 people on Arfcom that have seen me shoot. Approximately zero would say it anything near inadequate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That's just something that people tell themselves to feel better when they get taken to the woodshed by a 63 year old C-Class shooter with a bad hip. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/241349/1952FC5D-7A66-4FDB-BE8B-053F616E74F1_jpeg-884386.JPG |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 8:51:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. I hear it referred to as USPSA "Lite" now and it was better before the 2017 rule change. Right I am using IDPA for gun handling and basics to get back up to speed after shooting a shotgun league for two years and having my pistol skills deteriorate. Also the squad I shoot on is a good group and not a bunch of FUDDS, most of them do or have shoot USPSA and mutigun in the past. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 8:53:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are over 100 people on Arfcom that have seen me shoot. Approximately zero would say it anything near inadequate. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 8:54:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they had done all the rule changes with the exception of scoring, it would have been good. I'm generally the most accurate at a match but even I think 1 second per down is retarded. 
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Posted: 3/20/2019 8:58:48 PM EDT
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I now shoot IDPA since my local club has IDPA and the nearest USPSA match is a 2 hour drive. But I love USPSA. I've never taken it super seriously. I instead use it as a training tool. I shoot open with a weapon light/rmr equipped Glock 19 and an IWB appendix holster.
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Posted: 3/20/2019 9:02:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IDPA is gradually turning into Bullseye shooting with fishing vests. Half second per point down felt about right and kept people from just hosing targets. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 11:44:09 PM EDT
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I now shoot IDPA since my local club has IDPA and the nearest USPSA match is a 2 hour drive. But I love USPSA. I've never taken it super seriously. I instead use it as a training tool. I shoot open with a weapon light/rmr equipped Glock 19 and an IWB appendix holster. 8.5.1 Non-Permitted Holsters (Non-Inclusive list): A. Cross-draw carry B. Shoulder holsters C. Small of the back carry D. Appendix carry E. Pocket carry |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 11:50:47 PM EDT
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Well, you will find out how much a second is worth while shooting.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 12:26:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They allow appendix carry at your IDPA matches? Must be loose rules as that is against the rulebook for safety reasons. Agreed it is a good training tool. 8.5.1 Non-Permitted Holsters (Non-Inclusive list): A. Cross-draw carry B. Shoulder holsters C. Small of the back carry D. Appendix carry E. Pocket carry It's legal in Limited and Open. With a light and RMR, he's running it in Open. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 12:48:09 AM EDT
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Well, you will find out how much a second is worth while shooting. I shot terribly last weekend in IDPA but was fast enough to finish higher than I expected. Still, misses in either really hurt you. Down 5 seconds for a miss that might have taken en extra half second to avoid isn't worth it. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:31:57 AM EDT
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I'm doing both, and find mixing the two can lead to problems. I shot terribly last weekend in IDPA but was fast enough to finish higher than I expected. Still, misses in either really hurt you. Down 5 seconds for a miss that might have taken en extra half second to avoid isn't worth it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, you will find out how much a second is worth while shooting. I shot terribly last weekend in IDPA but was fast enough to finish higher than I expected. Still, misses in either really hurt you. Down 5 seconds for a miss that might have taken en extra half second to avoid isn't worth it. I shoot both, but shoot them at different speeds. In USPSA I blaze, while in IDPA I go slower and make sure I get the "0" penalty hits (for the most part). Although some take the "0" zone too seriously. I've seen people take multiple seconds to make up a 1 second penalty- happens a lot actually. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:45:35 AM EDT
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I've been dry firing using Steve Anderson's books and Ben Stoeger's book along with listening to both of their podcasts for about a month now. It has made a world of difference with my pistol shooting already.
This past week I took Rio Salado's Practical Pistol Shooting Course. It was a ton of fun. I consider myself a decent shot and did well but it was still humbling. All of the guys that took the course with me were awesome and I'm looking forward to competing soon. I'll be shooting production with a Glock 19. Rio Salado is the home for some of the national champs including Rob Leatham so I'm sure I'll get stomped but I'm excited. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 10:46:55 AM EDT
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Fun times and none of that gay IDPA cant drop a mag with rounds in it bullshit. No fat fuck telling you there wasn't enough of your body behind cover when you had about 30lbs less exposed than when he shot. IDPA makes sense as a concept, but man if they didn't fuck up the execution. It is more like autistic accountants with guns. In a real gunfight they would die full of holes but they could rest easy knowing all their ammo was still accounted for. http://i.imgur.com/oVzKOJI.gif 
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Posted: 3/21/2019 12:13:43 PM EDT
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I've been dry firing using Steve Anderson's books and Ben Stoeger's book along with listening to both of their podcasts for about a month now. It has made a world of difference with my pistol shooting already. This past week I took Rio Salado's Practical Pistol Shooting Course. It was a ton of fun. I consider myself a decent shot and did well but it was still humbling. All of the guys that took the course with me were awesome and I'm looking forward to competing soon. I'll be shooting production with a Glock 19. Rio Salado is the home for some of the national champs including Rob Leatham so I'm sure I'll get stomped but I'm excited. http://www.axonshootingsports.com/ |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 12:16:25 PM EDT
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Think he's talking about USPSA and not IDPA in that case. It's legal in Limited and Open. With a light and RMR, he's running it in Open. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: They allow appendix carry at your IDPA matches? Must be loose rules as that is against the rulebook for safety reasons. Agreed it is a good training tool. 8.5.1 Non-Permitted Holsters (Non-Inclusive list): A. Cross-draw carry B. Shoulder holsters C. Small of the back carry D. Appendix carry E. Pocket carry It's legal in Limited and Open. With a light and RMR, he's running it in Open. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 12:33:50 PM EDT
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The type of SHOOTING you do in USPSA type matches is really fun and exciting. I used to shoot about 8-10 USPSA matches a year but have not done any for a few years for one reason basically:
THERE IS WAY TO MUCH WAITING AROUND AND THEY TAKE TOO LONG I'm sure many will say I'm just being a baby, but when you reset plates, paste targets, and stand around for hours and hours usually in high deg. temps, all to actually shoot for a total of 2-3 minutes, that's not worth it to me. It's good that it's gotten so popular here, but with the number of people coming out, it seems like damn near an all day ordeal to shoot probably 5-7 stages. All that said, I just go to shoot, not socialize, so if you have buddies that go or you are very social/outgoing you will probably have more fun in the interminable downtime between shooting, but as for me, I'm out. I have been doing steel matches instead as they go a lot faster. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 12:43:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who actually says that? I've been shooting USPSA for years and I've never heard anyone say this. It's always, "start shooting Production with whatever you have to get started." I watched them DQ a new guy (new to that range, not new to shooting sports) for "reaching past the muzzle of his gun". The stage was over and he was under a barricade (cardboard on top of two barrels with a space between them for shooting). After clearing his gun, he put his magazine on top of the plastic barrel above his head. The magazine was no farther forward than the back of his collar. New guy packed up his gear and told them to pound sand. Way to grow the club. They announced a BUG match one week. I arrived with my 642, IWB holster and a pocket full of speedloaders. Everyone else had their usual USPSA rigs, open holsters, extended mags, full-size guns, no concealment. I pointed to the BUG MATCH on the white board and was told that they wanted everyone to be able to shoot.  Fine, whatever. FIRST STAGE: I get a procedural called on me because my toe was sticking out past cover. Nevermind the guys hosing the targets with 15 rounds from a CZ Shadow II, can't have that toe sticking out.
I've found another place that is farther, but much more friendly. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 1:18:41 PM EDT
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USPSA is a ton of fun. Show up and just pay attention to not getting DQ'd. Running around with a loaded gun is new to most people and can be a bit nerve wracking. After you shoot a couple matches and understand the safety rules start focusing on getting better.
If I was shooting SS I'd find some 8 round mags though. The maximum number of rounds from one location of view is 8, so in typical USPSA fashion a lot of time you see 8 round arrays. The maximum number of rounds for stages at level 3 (area) and level 4 (nationals) matches is 32. Level 1 (local) and level 2 (sectional) don't have a cap, but most people limit their stages to 32 rounds. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 1:26:47 PM EDT
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USPSA is a ton of fun. Show up and just pay attention to not getting DQ'd. Running around with a loaded gun is new to most people and can be a bit nerve wracking. After you shoot a couple matches and understand the safety rules start focusing on getting better. If I was shooting SS I'd find some 8 round mags though. The maximum number of rounds from one location of view is 8, so in typical USPSA fashion a lot of time you see 8 round arrays. The maximum number of rounds for stages at level 3 (area) and level 4 (nationals) matches is 32. Level 1 (local) and level 2 (sectional) don't have a cap, but most people limit their stages to 32 rounds. Me, Last night.  DAPS Wed night match 3-20-19 |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 1:37:41 PM EDT
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Running and gunning sooooooo much fun.... Me, Last night.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5DnDZu4qNsQuote HistoryQuoted:
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USPSA is a ton of fun. Show up and just pay attention to not getting DQ'd. Running around with a loaded gun is new to most people and can be a bit nerve wracking. After you shoot a couple matches and understand the safety rules start focusing on getting better. If I was shooting SS I'd find some 8 round mags though. The maximum number of rounds from one location of view is 8, so in typical USPSA fashion a lot of time you see 8 round arrays. The maximum number of rounds for stages at level 3 (area) and level 4 (nationals) matches is 32. Level 1 (local) and level 2 (sectional) don't have a cap, but most people limit their stages to 32 rounds. Me, Last night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5DnDZu4qNs
Nice shooting. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 1:40:12 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like you shot nothing but white "no shoots".
Nice shooting. Not too shabby for being 50 years old, huh? 
P.S. Most racist sport ever: Shoot brown targets No penalty for shooting black targets Can not shoot the white ones.
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Posted: 3/21/2019 1:49:30 PM EDT
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I actually thought about trying to enter the revolver division too, with my 4.25" S&W 69. But then I remembered that I don't have any speed loaders and no one makes a holster for it. Maybe I'll get around to it in the future. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP you will enjoy it, don't listen to the the haters. Its a lot of fun, usually a great bunch of people, and you will learn a lot of great gun handling skills, far quicker and better than just about anything else you have done with your handgun. https://i.imgur.com/SzrxMHOl.jpg Limited is fun https://i.imgur.com/r7RdpAul.jpg But nothing's better than beating the bottom feeders with the round gun. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 1:51:09 PM EDT
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I have no idea, I hope you enjoy it.
Having fun is cool. |
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Posted: 3/21/2019 9:46:54 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like Ben's materials as well, books and podcasts and he as great scaled dryfire targets at his pro shop for cheap. There are two other good podcasts that I listen as well, Shoot Fast podcast and Make Ready podcast. Great info and helps me get through my commute. Both on apple and other formats I think. http://www.axonshootingsports.com/ |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:50:05 AM EDT
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USPSA is a ton of fun. Show up and just pay attention to not getting DQ'd. Running around with a loaded gun is new to most people and can be a bit nerve wracking. After you shoot a couple matches and understand the safety rules start focusing on getting better. If I was shooting SS I'd find some 8 round mags though. The maximum number of rounds from one location of view is 8, so in typical USPSA fashion a lot of time you see 8 round arrays. The maximum number of rounds for stages at level 3 (area) and level 4 (nationals) matches is 32. Level 1 (local) and level 2 (sectional) don't have a cap, but most people limit their stages to 32 rounds. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:54:38 AM EDT
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The model 69 is an L-frame. Any holster that fits a 686 of similar barrel length should fit your M69. Life would be hard in Revolver division with a 5-shot revolver. Most of us are now using 8-shooters after the rule change in early 2014. The 929 is the current king of the division with the 627/327/R8 a fading second place. The 6-shooters are all but gone but when it was a 6-shooter division is was about 80% 625 and 15% 610 and the balance some type of 38/357. It will technically fit a 686 holster, but being a five-shot cylinder, the flutes don’t line up the way they need to with a “boned” holster that contours the cylinder. Kind of limits the options if you want it to fit correctly. I currently use a big generic Sticky holster for IWB carry. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 11:54:14 AM EDT
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I do plan on getting some 8-rounders, but I've been putting a lot of money into expanding my reloading setup lately and I just can't swing the expense of ordering a whole new set of Wilson 47-D's right now. I'll just embrace the suck with my 7-rounders this time and plan to upgrade before the next match. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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USPSA is a ton of fun. Show up and just pay attention to not getting DQ'd. Running around with a loaded gun is new to most people and can be a bit nerve wracking. After you shoot a couple matches and understand the safety rules start focusing on getting better. If I was shooting SS I'd find some 8 round mags though. The maximum number of rounds from one location of view is 8, so in typical USPSA fashion a lot of time you see 8 round arrays. The maximum number of rounds for stages at level 3 (area) and level 4 (nationals) matches is 32. Level 1 (local) and level 2 (sectional) don't have a cap, but most people limit their stages to 32 rounds. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 1:10:39 PM EDT
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Not to be a downer but
Shooting a 5 or 6 shot revolver is not going to be fun for anyone in that game, not the user or the viewer. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 1:39:14 PM EDT
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Not to be a downer but Shooting a 5 or 6 shot revolver is not going to be fun for anyone in that game, not the user or the viewer. But yeah, I don't want to watch a C level shooter plod through a course 6 shots at a time with 3 second reloads. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 1:47:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorta disagree. There's a guy who shoots a wheel gun in our USPSA matches that's pretty impressive to watch. He's an M level shooter though, so that probably has something to do with it. His reloads are cool as hell to watch. But yeah, I don't want to watch a C level shooter plod through a course 6 shots at a time with 3 second reloads. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 1:49:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's some good ones here, but they use 8 shot 9mm. 
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:45:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah that makes sense. My IDPA club officially adopted carry optics this month, but I think weapon light are also a no go for IDPA. Lots of rules. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 5:52:15 PM EDT
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Lights are a go in IDPA if the stage calls for it. Weapons mounted lights are a no-go because not every pistol supports a weapon mounted light. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 6:29:39 PM EDT
[#38]
Sure you're right.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 6:38:50 PM EDT
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When I shot USPSA I had 3 or 4 8 rouind mags and one 7 round mag as a loader. There will be plenty of help at the matches if you ask for it. Walk the stages so you can plan your reloads. Remember muzzle direction and keep your finger off of the trigger when not engaging targets and there is no such thing as perfect double.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 6:46:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still shoot both, not so much because I enjoy the rules of IDPA as much as I do USPSA, but because our local IDPA program is AWESOME. Great group of volunteers that set up fun stages with all sorts of challenging props. If that wasn't the case, I'd probably only do USPSA and multigun. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 6:57:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:... and there is no such thing as perfect double. paster called a MIKE ( miss ) I walked up with the RO He gave it to me, said target was too close for Derek to miss. It was almost close enough to touch with my muzzle 
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Posted: 3/23/2019 8:56:40 PM EDT
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I'm gearing up for my first match in nearly 20 years. I'm still waiting on my actual belt to arrive. Next will be some real mag holders, but the blackhawks will have to suffice for now. The holster is a Stoger BOSS set up for a CZ75.
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Posted: 3/24/2019 3:59:25 PM EDT
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I got one once. paster called a MIKE ( miss ) I walked up with the RO He gave it to me, said target was too close for Derek to miss. It was almost close enough to touch with my muzzle Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:... and there is no such thing as perfect double. paster called a MIKE ( miss ) I walked up with the RO He gave it to me, said target was too close for Derek to miss. It was almost close enough to touch with my muzzle |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 11:27:59 PM EDT
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I watched Hwansik Kim get one at Area 1 last year. The video showed the impacts in the berm behind the target. The RO had to call a mike and Hwansik didn't disagree. Still won CO though. |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 1:06:29 AM EDT
[#45]
IDPA > USPSA
Prove me wrong |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 1:17:36 AM EDT
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IDPA > USPSA Prove me wrong Also, fishing vests. |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 1:44:57 AM EDT
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I'm also looking to get involved. I just purchased an M&P 2.0. 9mm Performance Center today and look Into magwells. I plan on throwing a Vortex on it soon, but am having trouble finding a good holster for it. What's everybody using?
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Posted: 3/25/2019 6:21:24 AM EDT
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I'm also looking to get involved. I just purchased an M&P 2.0. 9mm Performance Center today and look Into magwells. I plan on throwing a Vortex on it soon, but am having trouble finding a good holster for it. What's everybody using? If it's a ported barrel you have to shoot open division btw. It's fine to get started and try it out though. |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 6:25:27 AM EDT
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IDPA > USPSA Prove me wrong |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 7:42:17 AM EDT
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IDPA's POHR reload rules alone prove you wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IDPA > USPSA Prove me wrong If IDPA is supposed to be a sim for defensive scenarios, then each stage should only be 1 to 3 targets max. Prove me wrong.
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