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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:41:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:42:17 PM EDT
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Kind of
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:45:42 PM EDT
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:45:44 PM EDT
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Oh yes.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:47:13 PM EDT
[#4]
Yes.
Shot one at an event a few years ago. It was transcendent. Somewhere I have a picture of a guy holding one that says a thousand words. 
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:48:35 PM EDT
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:49:15 PM EDT
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I've always wanted one for some reason, never got around to buying one though. Now that they've gotten ridiculously expensive I doubt I ever will.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:49:24 PM EDT
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Fuck yeah, I do.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:51:59 PM EDT
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$500 surplus rifle? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia. ETA: they are saying 4K in that thread. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:53:11 PM EDT
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Do the parts interchange with Russian Dragunovs?
I'm interested, depending on price. Edit: Looks like (from the above link) it'll cost ~4k. F that! |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:53:31 PM EDT
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$2500 or whatever? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:53:31 PM EDT
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Want but suspect I can't affrord
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:53:36 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'd buy the hell out of that.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:54:18 PM EDT
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$2500 or whatever? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a $500 surplus rifle they were cool. As a $2500 or whatever they will go for rifle it's pretty steep for Cold War nostalgia. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:55:03 PM EDT
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AK pattern rifle?
Hard pass. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:55:20 PM EDT
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I’m interested at a price far below what they’ll ask for it.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:55:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $500 surplus rifle? |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:56:06 PM EDT
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Super cool!
I'd like one in .308 like the Norinco 86 |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:56:23 PM EDT
[#18]
Yes
but that yes is VERY price dependent They are collectors and nostalgia pieces now days with cheap AR-10 pattern rifles being so ubiquitous |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 8:57:56 PM EDT
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PSLs got that low. Real Drags go for much more, but that is from market demand and not what new mass production would actually cost. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:00:28 PM EDT
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I would buy one to join the others.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:02:05 PM EDT
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Started out with a TBD price on the IP 3 days ago
Hadn’t figured out if they would sell many here Wanted to see if at least 100 people wanted to buy one and start a list Didn’t even know who the importer is going to be Now the OP says the price is around 4K and has a lead on an importer Sounds like a hot mess. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:02:20 PM EDT
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HHHNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:02:45 PM EDT
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I would buy one to join the others. http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/A6F07EDD-2C1D-4726-B59C-CFF06B9A0427.jpg |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:04:18 PM EDT
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PSLs weren't surplus The Romanians rebuilt them with semi-auto receivers (except the ones they didn't). ATF collected the few that still had autosear holes after they'd been imported/sold. They dried up when they ran out of surplus rifles. Had they been new production, they'd have kept making more. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:04:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PSLs weren’t surplus |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:04:26 PM EDT
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Started out with a TBD price on the IP 3 days ago Hadn’t figured out if they would sell many here Wanted to see if at least 100 people wanted to buy one and start a list Didn’t even know who the importer is going to be Now the OP says the price is around 4K and has a lead on an importer Sounds like a hot mess. Also add that FEG went tits up years ago. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:04:28 PM EDT
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I would buy one to join the others. http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/A6F07EDD-2C1D-4726-B59C-CFF06B9A0427.jpg |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:05:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guaranteed hot mess. Also add that FEG went tits up years ago. @Jozi would know way more about this than I do though. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:10:41 PM EDT
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They were mostly surplus. The Romanians rebuilt them with semi-auto receivers (except the ones they didn't). ATF collected the few that still had autosear holes after they'd been imported/sold. They dried up when they ran out of surplus rifles. Had they been new production, they'd have kept making more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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PSLs weren't surplus The Romanians rebuilt them with semi-auto receivers (except the ones they didn't). ATF collected the few that still had autosear holes after they'd been imported/sold. They dried up when they ran out of surplus rifles. Had they been new production, they'd have kept making more. We aren’t calling kit builds “surplus” these days, are we? |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:14:44 PM EDT
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You only have one of each? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would buy one to join the others. http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/A6F07EDD-2C1D-4726-B59C-CFF06B9A0427.jpg The cost of NDM’s and SVD’s are cost prohibitive. 
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:14:54 PM EDT
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AK pattern rifle? Hard pass. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:15:51 PM EDT
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Yes, however I would not pay over $1500 for that rifle.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:18:13 PM EDT
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starting price will be almost $5k without the scope......
While that will make some people puke, they will likely sell out very fast at that. Currently real Russian SVDs run North of $10,000...... These are investments......not rifles..... |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:20:39 PM EDT
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I might go up to $1,800 (with optic) just for the cool factor, but it won't perform as well as PSA's cheapest AR-10 build, much less a Remington 700. In fact, given similar optics, I'll bet that a Savage will shoot tighter groups.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:20:59 PM EDT
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Started out with a TBD price on the IP 3 days ago Hadn’t figured out if they would sell many here Wanted to see if at least 100 people wanted to buy one and start a list Didn’t even know who the importer is going to be Now the OP says the price is around 4K and has a lead on an importer Sounds like a hot mess. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:26:02 PM EDT
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I used to until I saw just how insanely corrosive x54R can be.
ETA: had a Saiga with a PSO scope. Neat, but there are many better options these days. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:26:25 PM EDT
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Curious as to how effective that platform is anymore vs. a SDM M4/ M16 type setup? M4/M16 equipped SDM is used in same role as SVD. Forget about the fact a huge number of infantry have ACOGs to boot. The SVD was never a intended to be sniper rifle as I understand it. That being said the Russians seemed to grasp the concept early. Bigger round with more penetration for sure but dead is dead at the end of the day. A 5.56mm is a bad day no matter where you are hit I would think.
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:32:14 PM EDT
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5 thousand? How bout no. Many semi autos out there that outperform it for half the $
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:40:07 PM EDT
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5 thousand? How bout no. Many semi autos out there that outperform it for half the $ |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:50:17 PM EDT
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Curious as to how effective that platform is anymore vs. a SDM M4/ M16 type setup? M4/M16 equipped SDM is used in same role as SVD. Forget about the fact a huge number of infantry have ACOGs to boot. The SVD was never a intended to be sniper rifle as I understand it. That being said the Russians seemed to grasp the concept early. Bigger round with more penetration for sure but dead is dead at the end of the day. A 5.56mm is a bad day no matter where you are hit I would think. IF the Soviets never intended the SVD to be a "sniper" rifle......what does the "S" in its name stand for? What type of rifle did it replace in Soviet service ? How effective is the rifle today? Figure a 1.5 minute rifle with issue 7N1 or 7N14 sniper ammunition at 600 yards. The system (rifle, optic and ammunition) were adopted in 1963....they are dated. But, a good shooter who knows his rifle, can read wind, estimate range can be a real threat at 800 yards. The rifle is long, has a short length of pull, optic is not centered over the bore, has a bit of recoil. But typically has an excellent 3 pound trigger and follow up shots are very fast. Reticle in the scope is very user friendly. G1 BC of the projectile is higher than anything you are going to use in a 5.56mm and terminal performance is better as is penetration. I tested 7N1 in gel at Black Hills Ballistic Laboratory. It works as designed. It's a 1960s rifle with a dated optic, but it was developed based upon all the lessons learned during World War II. A good shooter can still mess things up with one. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:51:38 PM EDT
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5 thousand? How bout no. Many semi autos out there that outperform it for half the $ |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 9:53:14 PM EDT
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I'll bet that a Savage will shoot tighter groups. However, the SVD would spank the Savage in the roll it was designed to fill...... |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Savage would very likely shoot tighter groups, Savage makes an excellent barrel. However, the SVD would spank the Savage in the roll it was designed to fill...... ETA: Lets extend this a bit further. You will not have a sniper in say a rank and file Bradley platoon yet you had one in every one by doctrine by your definition in a Soviet one? IOW SDM concept and not sniper was used. The fact the Soviets may not have fielded a proper sniper rifle in the 60s was probably a fiscal issue. It was a 90% solution. In the big picture how much bang for the buck would that equate to field a real one? Nil. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:35:50 PM EDT
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I’m interested at a price far below what they’ll ask for it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:35:52 PM EDT
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AK pattern rifle? Hard pass. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:37:08 PM EDT
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Sort of want.
Not for the price they will command though. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:38:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK......I don't really feel like getting into the whole mess......but...... IF the Soviets never intended the SVD to be a "sniper" rifle......what does the "S" in its name stand for? What type of rifle did it replace in Soviet service ? How effective is the rifle today? Figure a 1.5 minute rifle with issue 7N1 or 7N14 sniper ammunition at 600 yards. The system (rifle, optic and ammunition) were adopted in 1963....they are dated. But, a good shooter who knows his rifle, can read wind, estimate range can be a real threat at 800 yards. The rifle is long, has a short length of pull, optic is not centered over the bore, has a bit of recoil. But typically has an excellent 3 pound trigger and follow up shots are very fast. Reticle in the scope is very user friendly. G1 BC of the projectile is higher than anything you are going to use in a 5.56mm and terminal performance is better as is penetration. I tested 7N1 in gel at Black Hills Ballistic Laboratory. It works as designed. It's a 1960s rifle with a dated optic, but it was developed based upon all the lessons learned during World War II. A good shooter can still mess things up with one. |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:39:30 PM EDT
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I posted this in the AK forum but it bears repeating
To you guys that think the FEG is too expensive keep in mind during the cold war the SVD was still expensive and cost over $1000 USD in the 90s to build (I have forgotten the exact number but I think $1000 is low actually) Adjust that for inflation and you may be surprised to see the FEG price isn't crazy. Add to the fact that right now in Europe you can buy an SVD for about $2400 euro = $2800ish in USD so they aren't cheap even when purchased directly from Izhmash, and FEG has to make a profit to make it worth the effort So again, the price may not be too out of line with real world costs. Is it going to shoot at a $3800 dollar level? That's not really the point with a lot of these types of rifles of course. You can buy a cheap Remington 700 and outshoot the SR25 and SVD all day long for much less...but how cool is a Remington compared to an SVD? Also, gratuitous SVD porn pic 
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:42:36 PM EDT
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S in Russian might not be s in English. Likely apples to oranges. Soviet tactics and military doctrines were different from ours. the official designation in Cyrillic is ???´???????? ?????´??? ?????´?? ???????´?? ???????´ 1963 ???? or Sniper Rifle, System of Dragunov, Model of the Year 1963 yes, Soviet tactics and military doctrine was different than the US. For most of the 20th Century the US military did not have sniper schools, sniper doctrine, or.....snipers..... The Soviets had both classical snipers operating two per team as hunters and for recon as well as Designated Marksman. I believe the issue is, that since Soviet DM were issued SVDs many get confused and think the Soviets didn't have traditional snipers. But they did..... Think about it this way, in 1963 when the Soviets fielded the first rifle built from the ground up for sniping, with a day optic featuring an illuminated Mil reticle with telemetric rangefinder, BDC AND the ability to see and engage infrared light, plus a dedicated sniper load developed to enhance accuracy and terminal performance the United States Army and United States Marine Corps did not even possess a sniper school... |
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Posted: 5/25/2019 10:43:24 PM EDT
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It's not an AK pattern rifle. The SVD is smooth like butter and a very pleasant shooter |
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