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If they can ban bump stocks like this then braces are the least of our concerns. They can pick anything they don’t like and do away with it at this point if this stands. View Quote |
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This right here. I’m seriously considering not buying anything new at all because ultimately it’s a waste of money when they all of the sudden say it’s illegal and you’re a felon if you have one. Pretty sad where our country is going. But hey at least we should allow illegals to come here because they deserve our country. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If they can ban bump stocks like this then braces are the least of our concerns. They can pick anything they don’t like and do away with it at this point if this stands. |
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My personal opinion is that braces aren't really on the radar of many people outside of the BATFE, so short of them becoming super high profile (like the bumpstock after the Vegas shooting), I don't see them going anywhere for the time being. View Quote |
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The one advantage we have with braces is that, near as I can tell, they are far more popular than bump stocks. That means more political risk with a ban. And for those who are sure to say that the politicians won't care, ask yourself why handgun bans haven't met with much success despite the fact that everyone knows they are the favored firearms of criminals. View Quote It wasn't that long ago the brace didn't exist. Their popularity has exploded. |
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There may be some truth to this. Nowadays every time I go to the range I see at least one braced AR15 or AK pistol. It wasn't that long ago the brace didn't exist. Their popularity has exploded. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The one advantage we have with braces is that, near as I can tell, they are far more popular than bump stocks. That means more political risk with a ban. And for those who are sure to say that the politicians won't care, ask yourself why handgun bans haven't met with much success despite the fact that everyone knows they are the favored firearms of criminals. It wasn't that long ago the brace didn't exist. Their popularity has exploded. So, in the 1980s, the gun banners shifted their focus to guns that were viewed as being outside the mainstream, something that could be more readily be painted as evil in the eyes of voters. And so the term "assault weapon" was born, and the banners met with significantly more success. But they overplayed their hand and made those "assault weapons" very popular. Another nationwide AWB will alienate a lot more voters now, and the gun banners know it. So now they have targeted the ultimate fringe item, the bump stock, the "silly range toys" that few people bought and many ridiculed. You want to keep the same thing from happening to braces? Buy more of them, and encourage your friends to buy them. |
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Personally, I think the chances of a legal AR-Pistol being used in a mass shooting aren't that high.
Besides the usual statistics of AR use in crime, why would they bother to keep a pistol brace before they commit such a crime? |
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I expect a statement from the NRA any day how....... Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of pistol braces, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic pistols to function like semi automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations. View Quote |
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Oh i dunno, but lets just keep talking about it till they change their minds. Lets do our part to keep it at the forefront of the discussion till they take notice....again.
And what the hell, lets write a letter to the ATF while we're at it! ETA: thread title should read "How long till gun gun owners can leave well enough alone" |
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This, if they will bat for braces then they will never go away. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The ADA lobby is too strong. American Diabetes Association? Maybe American Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD)? Americans with Disabilities Act? Does the DOL or the EEOC or the DOJ support braces? What exactly are you saying? |
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American Dental Association? American Diabetes Association? Maybe American Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD)? Americans with Disabilities Act? Does the DOL or the EEOC or the DOJ support braces? What exactly are you saying? View Quote Anonymously Defecating Asshole Amazingly Deceitful Acronym |
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Thoughts? View Quote A.W.D. |
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Quoted: He didn't know what a bumpstock was until NRA pointed it out to him. View Quote |
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The bump stock ban came about because a bump stock, from the public’s perception, allowed a guy to “machine gun” a crowd.
It had nothing to do with “closing loopholes.” There is no reasonable similar situation that could result from braces. Lol at the guy that said “weeks” ‘til a ban. |
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The bump stock ban came about because a bump stock, from the public’s perception, allowed a guy to “machine gun” a crowd. It had nothing to do with “closing loopholes.” There is no reasonable similar situation that could result from braces. View Quote The Left will ALWAYS take more and this could embolden them. |
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There are far more attractive anti gun goals for the Left than trying to convince the public that a gun’s overall length is a concern.
“This thing makes a normal gun unto a machine gun!” “This thing makes a normal gun too short! If you were going to claim to be a political thinker, which of those statements is a non-starter? |
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Ironically, a brace typically adds length and girth to a rifle caliber pistol. My 10.5 pistol with SB brace and stupid ass flash can is not all that much shorter than the 14.7 with pinned FH. About half a finger length or maybe 2"
If Trump wanted to regain votes and compromise, he could support removing SBR/SBS from NFA registry. Would NEVER happen, but it would be nice to get something in return. |
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There are far more attractive anti gun goals for the Left than trying to convince the public that a gun’s overall length is a concern. “This thing makes a normal gun unto a machine gun!” “This thing makes a normal gun too short! If you were going to claim to be a political thinker, which of those statements is a non-starter? View Quote |
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There is no reasonable similar situation that could result from braces. View Quote If Im correct, one of the original reasons for the NFA was gangsters runnin around with subguns, ie; fully automatic and short in length rifles. If crimes start getting committed with pistol braces you can bet the narrative will change to "evil SHORT highly maneuverable assault gun pistols will extra killy boolits" |
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Well, hold on'a sec there hoss.... If Im correct, one of the original reasons for the NFA was gangsters runnin around with subguns, ie; fully automatic and short in length rifles. If crimes start getting committed with pistol braces you can bet the narrative will change to "evil SHORT highly maneuverable assault gun pistols will extra killy boolits" View Quote Same for pistol stocks. |
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This thread is basically a brain storming exercise for the gun banners next best move. I don't like it.
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Too late; ATF just said they won't issue rulings on accessories any longer. So now there's no longer any protection for using a brace on a gun that wasn't part of the original complete firearm sent in for determination.
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If there is a highly publicized shooting where a braced pistol is snuck in somewhere then I think we can say goodbye to braces. Unless that happens then I doubt anyone cares enough to ban them. View Quote BTW - saw a Saint pistol yesterday in a LGS along with another unbraced pistol as well. I purchased a revolver just because and was one of 4 guns leaving the store while I was in there. Not one of those was an AR, they were all handguns. |
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My guess is some dirtbag will use a suppressor in the near future. Think of the outrage. View Quote imo |
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There is no such thing as a legal loophole.
Laws are either specific or unspecific. |
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i'm actually going to write the ATF and ask for a better explanation
nobody needs a pseudo-SBR or a bump stock |
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Trump Jr. is an avid shooter and 2nd amendment supporter. I say that but then again he might just be "The rich people should have guns" supporter. I follow him on instagram and he seems to be raising his kids right and hunting with them often and shooting guns. I find it hard to believe he doesn't have more pull with his dad. I'm pissed about the infringement and the fact the gov't just keeps fucking taking but lets be honest, the bump stock is fucking stupid. View Quote |
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Just do away with the current letter and re-issue the no-shouldering letter. The ATF man could do that today if they wanted to.
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When someone decides to go on a shooting spree with an firearm that has a brace. They'll say that is circumnavigates the NFA and allows individuals to easily conceal them.
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Only idiots like kcolg30 like to pay $200 and wait 18 months for approval...
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Jesus-Tomato-Pickin-Christ, what the fuck are you room temp IQ mental midgets smokin?
Just fuckin stop it. Go stick your dick in the pickle slicer and forget about this shit. |
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Jesus-Tomato-Pickin-Christ, what the fuck are you room temp IQ mental midgets smokin? Just fuckin stop it. Go stick your dick in the pickle slicer and forget about this shit. View Quote The real problem here is that Trump/NRA gave them a talking point. Depriving someone of property via an executive order is unconstitutional. I don't like unconstitutional shit. |
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