User Panel
Posted: 10/19/2019 12:50:27 AM EDT
Blackhawks. Do they break them down and put them in cargo planes? Put them on ships and take a 3 week cruise?
Friend’s son in law flies and is going over for a year. It just got me wondering.about the logistics of getting shorter range aircraft to the otherside of the world. |
|
|
|
|
Good thing you asked here. There is NO way you could find on the internet how the United States has been moving helicopters overseas since the Korean war.
|
|
Quoted:
This is how we returned from Saudi back to Germany after Desert Storm. Shipped on a cargo ship. https://i.imgur.com/Cr9a2yu.jpg View Quote |
|
Quoted:
Blackhawks. Do they break them down and put them in cargo planes? Put them on ships and take a 3 week cruise? Friend’s son in law flies and is going over for a year. It just got me wondering.about the logistics of getting shorter range aircraft to the otherside of the world. View Quote |
|
Quoted:
Good thing you asked here. There is NO way you could find on the internet how the United States has been moving helicopters overseas since the Korean war. View Quote |
|
|
|
Quoted:
If only some one could come up with a feature that would search millions of websites for a specific term or phrase in fraction of seconds........ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Good thing you asked here. There is NO way you could find on the internet how the United States has been moving helicopters overseas since the Korean war. |
|
|
Psssst. Here is a hint. There is a lot of water between here and there. What conveyance might be able to carry large loads of short range aircraft over a lot of water?
|
|
Quoted:
Blackhawks. Do they break them down and put them in cargo planes? Put them on ships and take a 3 week cruise? Friend’s son in law flies and is going over for a year. It just got me wondering.about the logistics of getting shorter range aircraft to the otherside of the world. View Quote |
|
As a general rule of thumb, people fly and equipment floats.
Exceptions are for things like the global response force (all designed to be rapidly deplorable by air) and MEUs on deployment, equipment that flies with the troops, and troops that float with the equipment. |
|
|
|
|
|
They air drop them from cargo planes.
They start the engine mid flight and The rotors unfold as the craft exits the ramp. It's pretty neat. |
|
Typically go by boat to Iraq, cargo planes to the Stan.
I think we could fit 9 in a C17. |
|
|
|
When we deployed CONUS it was C-5's, when we deployed to exotic places like Haiti it was boats.
|
|
|
Look Winston... I a secret operator... I dont usually tell the secrets, but this was just released from top secret.
|
|
|
|
Quoted:
Funny you asked this. My buddy just did this a couple days ago. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/296533/IMG-20191012-WA0008_jpg-1129361.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/296533/IMG-20191012-WA0010_jpg-1129363.JPG View Quote |
|
Serious answer, there's a couple ways. If they want helicopters in a hurry they can stuff em inside a big plane and fly them over.
If time isn't that important, helicopter carriers, aircraft carriers, cargo ships all exist. |
|
|
Quoted:
If only some one could come up with a feature that would search millions of websites for a specific term or phrase in fraction of seconds........ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Good thing you asked here. There is NO way you could find on the internet how the United States has been moving helicopters overseas since the Korean war. |
|
Quoted:
This is how we returned from Saudi back to Germany after Desert Storm. Shipped on a cargo ship. https://i.imgur.com/Cr9a2yu.jpg View Quote |
|
|
|
|
|
Quoted:
They don't look to be secured to the deck. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
This is how we returned from Saudi back to Germany after Desert Storm. Shipped on a cargo ship. https://i.imgur.com/Cr9a2yu.jpg |
|
|
Quoted:
Funny you asked this. My buddy just did this a couple days ago. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/296533/IMG-20191012-WA0008_jpg-1129361.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/296533/IMG-20191012-WA0010_jpg-1129363.JPG View Quote Had no idea they were actually born It was a forbidden love, the C-5 and the Chinook knew they shouldn't be together. The other aircraft would talk, and they would be shunned... |
|
Doctrinally, Army blackhawks are worldwide self deployable. You install extra fuel tanks and they can cross the Atlantic Ocean and reach anywhere in the world without air/boat transport. They also are the only US helicopter with full deice capability and can fly indefinitely in icing conditions to cross the Atlantic in all but the worst winter weather conditions.
But helicopters are slow, so you put them on a boat or plane to go long distances. The last significant "self deployment" I know of was desert storm - lots of helicopters flew themselves from west Europe to Saudi. But thats only a couple thousand miles and mostly over land so not a big deal. |
|
https://www.msc.navy.mil/sealift/2009/June/afghanistan.htm
One of the things the US Military has is an incredible logistics force. https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/601087-50th-anniversary-usaf-hh-3e-transatlantic-crossing.html Air-to-Air Refueling Transatlantic crossing |
|
Quoted:
They use their dirigibles. View Quote Bunch of info here The gentleman that was pursuing the concept was Chuck Meyers. Here's a paper on CAS that he wrote. |
|
Quoted:
I thought they dumped them into the ocean? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/64504/AE_LastDaysVietnam_9_tx700_jpg-1129450.JPG View Quote |
|
Quoted:
I had always assumed that Apaches were built in a factory somewhere. Had no idea they were actually born It was a forbidden love, the C-5 and the Chinook knew they shouldn't be together. The other aircraft would talk, and they would be shunned... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Funny you asked this. My buddy just did this a couple days ago. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/296533/IMG-20191012-WA0008_jpg-1129361.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/296533/IMG-20191012-WA0010_jpg-1129363.JPG Had no idea they were actually born It was a forbidden love, the C-5 and the Chinook knew they shouldn't be together. The other aircraft would talk, and they would be shunned... |
|
|
|
Just think of all the wasted resources moving all of this shit constantly back and forth. Should've just left a whole set there for people to fall in on. Fly/ship in/out as necessary for heavy maintenance or replacement
|
|
It's the same garbage for USAF units deploying. When a squadron deploys, their aircraft go with them. The logistics of taking a 12 or 18-ship package of A-10's across the pond is nuts. Maintenance teams deploy to staging locations across the path to the end location. Then the outgoing unit does the same in reverse. Instead of stationing a group of aircraft at a location and rotate the people in and out, we keep moving entire squadrons of planes, equipment, tools and parts back and forth. The cost is enormous and the toll on planes, parts and test equipment that aren't produced anymore is just plain silly.
|
|
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.