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Posted: 9/28/2022 1:16:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you’re shooting tight groups, you’re shooting too slowly.  Some truth to that. It depends on the scenario. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 2:12:15 PM EDT
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I shot way better once I started dry firing a lot and had access to ranges that allowed me to shoot closer than 25 yards. I never had consistency at 25 so I started at 7 yards til I could shoot tight groups and then I would push further out. When I lived in Wyoming I could hit a steel plate at 100 yards with my beretta 92a1 and vp9 9 out of ten times always. I had a cool place to shoot that I could run and gun at any distance I wanted. 15 yards and in got kinda boring at slow pace so I started working on some speed and that is my weakness. I can not shoot like the tier 1 concealed guys that shoot those small targets at blazing speed. I have a oz9 with timney trigger that will shoot one ragged hole all day into a 1” square but I have not being shooting in a year now due to life and lack of money. So all my gains I made are probably gone. I do dry fire at home daily still at least. I know my holds on my glock 26 or m&p.40c so I am confident on making hits so that is generally what I carry.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 2:12:53 PM EDT
[#3]
I suck.
I need more practice. Last range session put (edit) 20 rounds (1911 .45) into about a pie plate sized circle at 10y (edit: may have been 15y) as fast as I could pull the trigger. Thought I had posted a pic of that, but I guess not. ETA found it, now my shame is public record.  Weak shooting, but that’s about as good as it gets for me. I’m much more confident with a rifle. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 2:16:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some truth to that. It depends on the scenario. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you’re shooting tight groups, you’re shooting too slowly. Some truth to that. It depends on the scenario. My buddy that never shoots makes fun of me setting a target up at 7 yards to warm up with slow tight groups. He thinks you have to shoot at 25 and nothing else. His 7 yard shots are all over the place and he hits 25 yards maybe 3 out of 10. And then he plays it off like he did way better. He shoots once a year if that. He is more of a collector. He also never has a gun on him and yet thinks he would defend against a attacker somehow. I just don’t get it |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 2:17:19 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I suck. I need more practice. Last range session put 3 mags (1911 .45) into about a pie plate sized circle at 10y as fast as I could pull the trigger. Thought I had posted a pic of that, but I guess not. Weak shooting, but that’s about as good as it gets for me. I’m much more confident with a rifle. Pistol skills translate well to rifle but not the other way around. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 2:27:15 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pistol skills translate well to rifle but not the other way around. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I suck. I need more practice. Last range session put 3 mags (1911 .45) into about a pie plate sized circle at 10y as fast as I could pull the trigger. Thought I had posted a pic of that, but I guess not. Weak shooting, but that’s about as good as it gets for me. I’m much more confident with a rifle. Pistol skills translate well to rifle but not the other way around. I quit shooting handguns for a long time after my dad died. I just started trying to get back into it again and Realized I’ve picked up every bad habit in the book. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:32:41 PM EDT
[#7]
The Commander at 50 keeps things from getting boring.
 I found my late Dad's '64 Trooper in a local gun shop and bought it back. Even at 4", it rings the steel at 50 fairly easily. 
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Posted: 9/28/2022 6:37:57 PM EDT
[#8]
RDS Master Race
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Posted: 9/28/2022 7:11:46 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted: consistently[ accurate post some of your targets with groups (and not 20 years ago before your arthritis flared up)  I don’t care about groups much, I am combat accurate in a USPSA match and can regularly get torso hits at 100 yards. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:09:05 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t care about groups much, I am combat accurate in a USPSA match and can regularly get torso hits at 100 yards. (that was directed at the "1 MOA All Day" pistol shooters) |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:28:32 PM EDT
[#11]
I would say decent. My buddy has a few exceptional shooting pistols. One day we took one of these that happened to be a Sig, out past 100 yards. Three of us all put a round on a 12x12 steel target on our first shot. We also managed consistent hits with a mag a piece.
We are spoiled as my buddy has 5 different steel competition courses/diagrams set up at any given time. I get good timed practice at 5 to 25 yards. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:40:01 PM EDT
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Last year i went to a training school that included 5 days of "precision pistol shooting " I learned I can consistently hit a massive target at 80 yards with a Glock 19. With carry ammo a can make groups at 25 yards i can cover with my hand.
Previously I have shot pistols out to 100 yards. At distances over 25 yards I generally shoot steel. Less walking to paste or change targets. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:43:14 PM EDT
[#13]
Better than most, not as good as many.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:53:02 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 20 yards, CCI SV, '60s vintage Browning Nomad, 10 shots. Standing, resting against a post.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/340315/IMG_20200722_144417_jpg-2542020.JPG I had a 6 in nomad, amazing trigger on that gun. Back when I could see, I was pretty good. Didn't we do a 6MOA or some such all day challenge many moons ago? I shot in it. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:53:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last year i went to a training school that included 5 days of "precision pistol shooting " I learned I can consistently hit a massive target at 80 yards with a Glock 19. With carry ammo a can make groups at 25 yards i can cover with my hand. Previously I have shot pistols out to 100 yards. At distances over 25 yards I generally shoot steel. Less walking to paste or change targets. fun, ain't it? 
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:55:02 PM EDT
[#16]
12x20 IPSC silhouette at 100 yards, repeatedly.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 8:59:09 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: working on my consistency to start shooting silhouette matches now that it's cooled off https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/commander_range9-2541889.jpg Offhand? Bench? Under what time? These factors have a huge impact on what kind of accuracy we are talking about. I can put five rounds through one hole offhand at 7 yards, but not at 15. I can also shoot fairly quick, with under .30 splits, sometimes under .20, but I'm also not putting five rounds through the same hole. I am not a competition shooter, I would get out shot by some of them for sure. But I also still shoot better than 95% of most people I know. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:00:01 PM EDT
[#18]
 SW 642 on Steel Silhouette Me shooting my 642 at that 12x20 steel I referenced, at 50 yards. It was the last 4 rounds I had left
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:03:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:04:34 PM EDT
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When I used to shoot more - we would shoot coke cans with lever action carbines at 100 yards. At the end of the day we would move up to coffee cans and pistols. On a good day I could hit the coffee can about 5/6 with a revolver, maybe 5/7 with a 1911.
I guess basically it is the same as keeping it in the 10 ring at 25 yards. --- favorite story was the horse cop in Austin. Crazy guy was shooting up downtown. Horse cop was holding the reigns of his horse and did a one shot kill at 100 yards. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:10:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:13:14 PM EDT
[#22]
I can easily sit there and empty a mag out of my carry pistol at a 12 inch steel plate at 25 yards and get 16 hits. Pistol is a CZ P-10C and as far as I'm concerned, it's almost cheating with how good the trigger is.
At 50 yards I can be about 50% accurate, but that's more a function of eyesight, and mine sucks.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:16:13 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryWhy di'nt you just aim a little lower like the one in the X?
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:19:08 PM EDT
[#24]
I can hit a pop bottle at roughly 50 yards 8-10 times with an RMR Glock 19.5.
Iron sights are much worse.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:20:27 PM EDT
[#25]
I could use every crutch, wheel chair, braces, ropes and pullies ever used on a Jerry Lewis telethon and that includes St. Jude helping me steady the hand gun and still need a bigger barn.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:20:36 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can hit a pop bottle at roughly 50 yards 8-10 times with an RMR Glock 19.5. Iron sights are much worse. Them RC Cola bottles'r hard to kill. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:21:06 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I could use every crutch, wheel chair, braces, ropes and pullies ever used on a Jerry Lewis telethon and that includes St. Jude helping me steady the hand gun and still need a bigger barn. 
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:26:42 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I could use every crutch, wheel chair, braces, ropes and pullies ever used on a Jerry Lewis telethon and that includes St. Jude helping me steady the hand gun and still need a bigger barn.  |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:28:28 PM EDT
[#29]
This was a Thanksgiving pistol competition at my local range for a turkey and gift card. Shot off hand 50' 10. rounds. Springfield Professional and hand loads. There were about 50-60 shooters that day. I got first! The only reason I have the picture.
 Here is another one at 50 feet. 
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:30:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why di'nt you just aim a little lower like the one in the X?
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:41:11 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Better than most, not as good as many. We are bros |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 9:43:04 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_roeHl_J1ZUMe shooting my 642 at that 12x20 steel I referenced, at 50 yards. It was the last 4 rounds I had left My uncle is crazy like that. He can take snubs and hit out to whatever, 50 or 100yds on like 1ft Square targets. Not me. |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 10:14:25 PM EDT
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P09 9MM, sighting in the new red dot at 7 yds. with Federal 115 grain FMJ. Shot the 3 shot group at the center and it was a little left/high. Made an adjustment and shot the target company logo at the right bottom with 7 rounds. Love that P09. Wish my P07 9MM shot like this.
 I waste too much time/money with other brands (non-CZ) and working up loads for them trying to find something that shoots good groups, adding triggers, "match" barrels, etc. On those days at the range when I'm getting so frustrated by the non-CZ pistols I find myself wondering if it's the pistol/loads or me having a bad day. At that point I unload the new pistol and put it on the bench so I can pull my P07 .40 out of the IWB holster on my right side and find out if it's me or the FN/XD/M&P, SIG, etc. The P07 .40 lets me know I'm fine, it's that new pistol. Couple P07 .40 targets, different days. Like I said, it's my "is it me having a bad day pistol."   I'm 65 and I can't shoot like I used to. Can't hold it hard/steady anymore and I get tired sooner. I do my pistol/load testing off hand, two hand hold. The P07 really like the Nosler 135 grain hollow points stuffed down on top of a compressed load of Blue Dot powder. It's like shooting a 4" .357 magnum. Sweet. The only non-CZ pistol I've found so far that shoots well enough to suit me are the Shield 9MM pistols. Awesome shooting little pistols that shoot the same loads the CZ 9MM pistols like. 115 grain hollow points on top of a compressed load of Blue Dot powder. Magazine of those 115 grain hollow points from my 9MM Shield. Eight or nine shots.  |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 10:18:10 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: P09 9MM, sighting in the new red dot at 7 yds. with Federal 115 grain FMJ. Shot the 3 shot group at the center and it was a little left/high. Made an adjustment and shot the target company logo at the right bottom with 7 rounds. Love that P09. Wish my P07 9MM shot like this. https://i.imgur.com/IJW6S6ql.jpg?1 I waste too much time/money with other brands (non-CZ) and working up loads for them trying to find something that shoots good groups, adding triggers, "match" barrels, etc. On those days at the range when I'm getting so frustrated by the non-CZ pistols I find myself wondering if it's the pistol/loads or me having a bad day. At that point I unload the new pistol and put it on the bench so I can pull my P07 .40 out of the IWB holster on my right side and find out if it's me or the FN/XD/M&P, SIG, etc. The P07 .40 lets me know I'm fine, it's that new pistol. Couple P07 .40 targets, different days. Like I said, it's my "is it me having a bad day pistol." https://i.imgur.com/AVBc7jSl.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/OL6hBRIl.jpg I'm 65 and I can't shoot like I used to. Can't hold it hard/steady anymore and I get tired sooner. I do my pistol/load testing off hand, two hand hold. The P07 really like the Nosler 135 grain hollow points stuffed down on top of a compressed load of Blue Dot powder. It's like shooting a 4" .357 magnum. Sweet. The only non-CZ pistol I've found so far that shoots well enough to suit me are the Shield 9MM pistols. Awesome shooting little pistols that shoot the same loads the CZ 9MM pistols like. 115 grain hollow points on top of a compressed load of Blue Dot powder. Magazine of those 115 grain hollow points from my 9MM Shield. Eight or nine shots. https://i.imgur.com/8iocF33l.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/28/2022 10:23:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2022 10:47:31 PM EDT
[#36]
Glock 17 at 400M on an ipsc target.
4 times better than those 7K yard guys. ok
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Posted: 9/28/2022 10:48:14 PM EDT
[#37]
My friend calls me accuracy by volume.
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Posted: 9/28/2022 10:56:19 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Headshot on a jackrabbit at 109 yards. I also shoot a LOT of pistol. That's called luck not skill. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 6:18:24 PM EDT
[#39]
so, the old Boomer Trooper pinged the 6" swinger at 50 this morning
who needs to see a target when you can just see the front sight? 
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Posted: 9/29/2022 8:24:08 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Commander at 50 keeps things from getting boring. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/commander_range6-2542941.jpg I found my late Dad's '64 Trooper in a local gun shop and bought it back. Even at 4", it rings the steel at 50 fairly easily. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183309/trooper6-2542944.jpg Is that the generation that has the same guts as a Python? No surprise it's a sweet shooter if it is. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 8:36:55 PM EDT
[#41]
Here's 21 shots fired from my first Auto Mag. 7 with the 44 barrel installed, 7 with the 41, and 7 with the 357 Auto Mag barrel installed. Hand held, standing, unsupported at 50 feet.
 Here's a five shot group from the 41 Jurras Auto Mag. Again at 50 feet. I put the first 4 in one hole and tossed the last one out. And no, it wasn't 20 years ago...it was 33. Tony  |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 9:14:32 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have shot Dot Torture clean exactly one time. We shoot it at 4 large steps, which is probably 12-13 feet. I can consistently do 47 or 48, but I've shot 50 one time, and I'm prepared to testify that it was an accident Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some guns make it easier than others. These are 10yd groups. Far from bullseye shooting but enough to not look like an idiot among people that know what they are doing. I have been trying to slow down lately and focus on fundamentals again it's actually made me a bit quicker when I do run drills. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77352/B806B8DB-3A06-48EC-BAE1-AE38DD5ACBA5-2113354.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77352/06E6D129-78B3-4964-BE85-B5C9E704A7D0-2125805.jpg I have a threshold I want to get to. I want to be able to shoot the dot torture challenge clean at 5yds. I think that is a good measure of competence with a handgun for slow fire. I have never shot one clean in quite a few attempts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77352/2BFD14F9-1449-4453-BC77-C5E4CCDBE1A6-2541885.jpg -Mike I shoot dot torture at 7 yards. |
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Posted: 9/29/2022 9:53:32 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that the generation that has the same guts as a Python? No surprise it's a sweet shooter if it is. Yessir, the Poboy's Python I knew several retired LEO's who bought it as their first duty guns because they couldn't afford a Python.
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Posted: 9/29/2022 9:54:56 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's 21 shots fired from my first Auto Mag. 7 with the 44 barrel installed, 7 with the 41, and 7 with the 357 Auto Mag barrel installed. Hand held, standing, unsupported at 50 feet. https://i.imgur.com/ehhFNRY.jpg?1 Here's a five shot group from the 41 Jurras Auto Mag. Again at 50 feet. I put the first 4 in one hole and tossed the last one out. And no, it wasn't 20 years ago...it was 33. Tony https://i.imgur.com/vgu6rf0.jpg That's just a little over 15yds.
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Posted: 9/29/2022 9:55:42 PM EDT
[#45]
Every shot is a 1 hole group .
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Posted: 9/30/2022 12:14:41 AM EDT
[#46]
90+ B8 at 25 yds with decent ammo and an RDS pistol.
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Posted: 9/30/2022 7:32:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I shoot dot torture at 7 yards. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some guns make it easier than others. These are 10yd groups. Far from bullseye shooting but enough to not look like an idiot among people that know what they are doing. I have been trying to slow down lately and focus on fundamentals again it's actually made me a bit quicker when I do run drills. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77352/B806B8DB-3A06-48EC-BAE1-AE38DD5ACBA5-2113354.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77352/06E6D129-78B3-4964-BE85-B5C9E704A7D0-2125805.jpg I have a threshold I want to get to. I want to be able to shoot the dot torture challenge clean at 5yds. I think that is a good measure of competence with a handgun for slow fire. I have never shot one clean in quite a few attempts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77352/2BFD14F9-1449-4453-BC77-C5E4CCDBE1A6-2541885.jpg -Mike I shoot dot torture at 7 yards. Clean? Including off hand steps? If so that is very impressive. -Mike |
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Posted: 9/30/2022 7:55:48 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: (notices not a single target group yet) Shooting groups is boring.  https://youtu.be/O8ZWyncpS6g?t=60 |
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Posted: 9/30/2022 8:06:45 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When I was shooting 3 times a week and doing IPSC matches regularly, I'd do this to my buddies target at the indoor range to be a dick https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/187062/X-Five_cleaned_jpg-2542154.JPG However, the artificial lack of ammo in commiefornia has led to atrophy. Yah that’s what I’m talking about!
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Posted: 9/30/2022 8:22:46 AM EDT
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I went to an indoor range a few weeks ago to sight in my RDS on a new P322......normally wouldn't have done that because I can shoot in my back yard, but the shop currently has my suppressor while it's in ATF jail and I wanted a conjugal visit.
I had my target at 5 yards while getting the Sig Romeo Zero dialed in and I heard the 2 guys on the next stall snickering and commenting about how 'the old guy must be a bad shot to be so close'. They were at 10 yards and barely keeping their shots in the black. I just smiled to myself and kept shooting. Once I dialed in to where I was happy with where the dot was hitting, I ran it out to 25 yards and made 20 out of 20 headshots on a B27. Then I brought it back to 10 and started shooting 10 shot groups at various points. (10 shots at the left 7, 10 shots at the right 7, etc.) None of my offhand groups at 10 yards were bigger than a 50 cent piece. I didn't hear any more comments from the peanut gallery. With my 9mms and 45s, I can usually keep about a 3" group at 10 yards--not shooting as fast as I can, but not exactly slow fire. Maybe 1 shot/second or a little faster. It's been awhile since I bothered to take a pic of a pistol target--I usually shoot steel in the back yard, but I did save this one from a friendly competition with some coworkers about 2 years ago. Its 50 rounds at 15 yards, offhand and taking my time with a ParaOrd S-13 Limited in .45.  Attached FileETA: I will admit that I'm having a hard time shooting my Vaquero .44 magnums accurately. The first 2 shots are fine, but I start flinching after that. At 25 yards, the first shots go right where I want them.....after that, I'm lucky to hit within 12". My hunting loads are 240gr XTPs moving in the vicinity of 1300 FPS. When I'm shooting light .44 Specials, I do better. |
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