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Posted: 4/21/2020 1:57:41 AM EDT
I suffer from some medical issues. You may know this from some of my posts.
I’m having a rough night and have been praying to God to help me and to be with me to strengthen me as I have grown weary from dealing with these things. A scripture came into my mind out of nowhere. Romans 6:23. So I looked it up a few minutes ago. It says: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. What is God telling me? I read all of Chapter 6 just now and I don’t understand how it applies to my suffering. What am I missing? |
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I don’t know what he is trying to tell you, brother, and I don’t know what is happening to you, but God bless you. It’s all I can come up with when I read your post. I will pray for you. I’m sorry for not being more of help to you, but I pray to God that you find some relief.
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Quoted: I don’t know what he is trying to tell you, brother, and I don’t know what is happening to you, but God bless you. It’s all I can come up with when I read your post. I will pray for you. I’m sorry for not being more of help to you, but I pray to God that you find some relief. View Quote Thank you. |
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Possibly he is saying that the closer you get to him the more answers to your challenges you will find.
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Quoted: Quoted: I don’t know what he is trying to tell you, brother, and I don’t know what is happening to you, but God bless you. It’s all I can come up with when I read your post. I will pray for you. I’m sorry for not being more of help to you, but I pray to God that you find some relief. Thank you. You are welcome, my friend. I’m going through some things myself and I know what it feels like to not have answers. Take care. |
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Quoted: You are welcome, my friend. I’m going through some things myself and I know what it feels like to not have answers. Take care. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don’t know what he is trying to tell you, brother, and I don’t know what is happening to you, but God bless you. It’s all I can come up with when I read your post. I will pray for you. I’m sorry for not being more of help to you, but I pray to God that you find some relief. Thank you. You are welcome, my friend. I’m going through some things myself and I know what it feels like to not have answers. Take care. I asked God to help you and give you what you need. |
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Quoted: I asked God to help you and give you what you need. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don’t know what he is trying to tell you, brother, and I don’t know what is happening to you, but God bless you. It’s all I can come up with when I read your post. I will pray for you. I’m sorry for not being more of help to you, but I pray to God that you find some relief. Thank you. You are welcome, my friend. I’m going through some things myself and I know what it feels like to not have answers. Take care. I asked God to help you and give you what you need. Thank you so much. Reading your response brought tears to my eyes. You don’t know how much your post means to me right now. |
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Quoted: Thank you so much. Reading your response brought tears to my eyes. You don’t know how much your post means to me right now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don’t know what he is trying to tell you, brother, and I don’t know what is happening to you, but God bless you. It’s all I can come up with when I read your post. I will pray for you. I’m sorry for not being more of help to you, but I pray to God that you find some relief. Thank you. You are welcome, my friend. I’m going through some things myself and I know what it feels like to not have answers. Take care. I asked God to help you and give you what you need. Thank you so much. Reading your response brought tears to my eyes. You don’t know how much your post means to me right now. You’re welcome. God knows. Maybe that’s why we are both on here at 2:44 in the morning. To pray for one another. Matthew 18:20 “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” Psalm 9:9-10 The Lord also will be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble. And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, Lord, hast not forsaken them that seek thee. |
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Thank you for the scriptures, my friend. I dozed off and just woke up. Gonna try to get some sleep, as I have not been sleeping well. I hope it all works out for you, me and all of us that need some help right now.
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Quoted: I suffer from some medical issues. You may know this from some of my posts. I’m having a rough night and have been praying to God to help me and to be with me to strengthen me as I have grown weary from dealing with these things. A scripture came into my mind out of nowhere. Romans 6:23. So I looked it up a few minutes ago. It says: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. What is God telling me? I read all of Chapter 6 just now and I don’t understand how it applies to my suffering. What am I missing? View Quote It means just what it says: sin leads to death. God gave the gift of eternal life through Jesus who is our lord (he is God and thus lord whether we acknowledge him as that or not). Christ is shorthand for messiah, that carries a big bag of meaning. It means in a nutshell that he is the promised seed of the woman (genesis) who will crush the head of the serpent, and be a sacrifice for those who trust in him for salvation from our being sinful people (it's not that we just do wrong, but that we do wrong because we are wrong). If you have realized your situation and believe that Jesus died on your behalf, in your place, you are among those who romans 8:28 applies to : "And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose" His purpose (not his only, but still his purpose) is this, " For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”" If we do not believe on christ, we are here: "Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned — for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. Death came through sin. "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek (jewish way of saying, all humans, not just jews-flashman). For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.” Faith - understanding our situation and turning to Jesus and believing he died for us ... in so doing, we get life. --- Prov 18:14: A man's spirit will endure sickness, but a crushed spirit who can bear? <----- you have my prayers regarding your situation. Tough row to hoe, dealing with physical problems. |
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My friend I feel very bad for your health. But I think you should pray about your situation and the passage that came to your mind. God will give you what you need from it. It maybe something small
or very large just be open to it. When people suggest many verses that can be woven into something that might apply to your situation we must be careful not to add or change the text. Sure we can draw parallels to our lives that the word teaches. The Bible is for teaching and to guide us through of lives. |
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Praying for you. 1 Peter 6,7 is a good reminder. I want you to be better, and I want to to lean on Christ in all things.
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Quoted: I suffer from some medical issues. You may know this from some of my posts. I’m having a rough night and have been praying to God to help me and to be with me to strengthen me as I have grown weary from dealing with these things. A scripture came into my mind out of nowhere. Romans 6:23. So I looked it up a few minutes ago. It says: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. What is God telling me? I read all of Chapter 6 just now and I don’t understand how it applies to my suffering. What am I missing? View Quote God gave that verse to you, not the rest of us. So none of us can tell you why God gave you that verse. Some day you''l know, then come back and tell us. As far as what your praying for, Instead of asking God to give you strength to overcome your problems. I feel you should ask God for a healing of your problems. "God should be your strength"! If you can do things in your own strength, then you don't need God. There is healing in the Cross of Christ if your Born Again. (I believe you are) I'm going to ask you a question, you don't have to tell me anything. But I want you to think about this, Do you think that God needs to respond because you prayed. Is your attitude, I prayed, Now God owes me a response? Or Are you going to the Lord in Faith that Jesus can and will heal you. Like this women, as example of many. Matt 9:20-21 20 And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment: 21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole. You know the rest of the Story, She did not ask for strength to overcome her problem, She wanted to be healed and beleived in Jesus to do it. God only responds to Faith in Him. Prayer is correct, But if you turn it into a self work, its wrong and God won't respond. I have done this myself and wondered why God won't hear me. |
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My midday prayers will be for you, brother. I hope you find comfort in knowing that there can be value in suffering.
Romans 5:3-5, "...but we glory also in tribulations, knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience trial; and trial hope; And hope confoundeth not: because the charity of God is poured forth in our hearts, by the Holy Ghost, who is given to us." |
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Quoted: My midday prayers will be for you, brother. I hope you find comfort in knowing that there can be value in suffering. Romans 5:3-5, "...but we glory also in tribulations, knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience trial; and trial hope; And hope confoundeth not: because the charity of God is poured forth in our hearts, by the Holy Ghost, who is given to us." View Quote Thanks for that. I needed this. |
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The great Scottish theologian and preacher Robert Murray M'Cheyne said:
"Affliction brings out graces that cannot be seen in a time of health. It is the treading of the grapes that brings out the sweet juices of the vine; so it is affliction that draws forth submission, weanedness from the world, & complete rest in God. Use afflictions while you have them." The great C.H. Spurgeon said: "Some of you people of God, when you get bitter waters, want to throw them away. Do not throw a drop of it away, for that is the water you have yet to drink. Accept your afflictions. They are part of your education." While troubling times and suffering seem overbearing and sorrowful, I encourage you, my friend, to rest in the fact that God blesses His children particularly with struggles that will refine us in this life; for this is the only hell we will ever know! It is, as hard as it can be to accept, how we most closely can relate to the life of our Savior. Diedrich Bonhoeffer, the German theologian who was executed by the Nazis, who said that if we could only describe Christ's life with one word he would argue that it be "suffered". I implore you that in these dark hours you cling to the blessed assurance in our Shepherd! I pray that your soul would be renewed and refreshed as you go through this. It is in the sorrow of the world that we find the eternal joy we have in Christ Jesus. |
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My father lives in constant pain, and it doesn't outwardly phase him. He's still the good natured, generous soul I've known all my life.
We talk about the redemptive value of suffering. Its hard to talk about. But, we both agree its real. |
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My take is He is telling you that life on earth is very short and many of those who only seek hedonistic pleasure and comfort in it are going to be found wanting on judgement day if unrepentant.
How many of those who died suddenly in a sinful state are now eternally damned or doing time in purgatory and wishing they could have suffered and contemplated a short time before death to get right with the Lord? Even if you are not Catholic read up on the Saints who were "victim souls". Powerful stuff. How many of the Apostles and good Christians in general throughout history left this world as tortured Martyrs for their faith? God could have intervened, avenged their enemies, and given them a gentle natural death instead. Why didn't He? 1 Corinthians 15 is a good read. |
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“Patience is more than endurance. A saint's life is in the hands of God like a bow and arrow in the hands of an archer. God is aiming at something the saint cannot see, and He stretches and strains, and every now and again the saint says--'I cannot stand anymore.' God does not heed, He goes on stretching till His purpose is in sight, then He lets fly. Trust yourself in God's hands. Maintain your relationship to Jesus Christ by the patience of faith. 'Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him.”
? Oswald Chambers "We are simply passing through this earth. We should bless it in our transit but never yoke ourselves to its affairs." — C.H. Spurgeon |
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My first thought is a question. Scriptures come to your mind by book,chapter and verse?
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"It is pleasant & cheering to know that your Lord Jesus has gone before you, has trodden the path you tread, & that the sorrow which now rests upon your soul so darkly is but the shadow of the yet darker sorrow that rested upon His."
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Quoted: My first thought is a question. Scriptures come to your mind by book,chapter and verse? View Quote @M16A4 It did and has before. So I looked it up. Most of the time, I'll recall an actual verse in my mind as it applies to a situation or thought. However this time it was the book, chapter, and verse. |
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Quoted: My take is He is telling you that life on earth is very short and many of those who only seek hedonistic pleasure and comfort in it are going to be found wanting on judgement day if unrepentant. How many of those who died suddenly in a sinful state are now eternally damned or doing time in purgatory and wishing they could have suffered and contemplated a short time before death to get right with the Lord? Even if you are not Catholic read up on the Saints who were "victim souls". Powerful stuff. How many of the Apostles and good Christians in general throughout history left this world as tortured Martyrs for their faith? God could have intervened, avenged their enemies, and given them a gentle natural death instead. Why didn't He? 1 Corinthians 15 is a good read. View Quote Good points. |
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That verse may not apply to your suffering at all or it may not have come from God. Even Satan can use scripture for his own purposes.
I know you're not particularly fond of the Catholic Church, but I am going to offer you a Catholic perspective on suffering. -Jesus suffered and died on the cross to make eternal life available to us, not to prevent us from suffering -Suffering "well" is redemptive. See Job or just about all of the apostles or other martyrs. Unite your suffering with that of Jesus, stay in the Lord, and offer your suffering to Him -Saint Faustina wrote that if men understood the value of suffering in redemption, they would pray for nothing else (but opportunities to suffer for Jesus) I am sorry that you are suffering and you are in my prayers. |
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Quoted: That verse may not apply to your suffering at all or it may not have come from God. Even Satan can use scripture for his own purposes. I know you're not particularly fond of the Catholic Church, but I am going to offer you a Catholic perspective on suffering. -Jesus suffered and died on the cross to make eternal life available to us, not to prevent us from suffering -Suffering "well" is redemptive. See Job or just about all of the apostles or other martyrs. Unite your suffering with that of Jesus, stay in the Lord, and offer your suffering to Him -Saint Faustina wrote that if men understood the value of suffering in redemption, they would pray for nothing else (but opportunities to suffer for Jesus) I am sorry that you are suffering and you are in my prayers. View Quote This is a good outlook on suffering, I have often reminded myself to be joyful in my suffering, when I know I'm doing something or behaving like he calls us to and it brings suffering through a mocking wife for instance. When I'm alone, besides pray for her I sometimes remember to count it a joy to suffer for Christ. I have noticed this tends to keep me humble, calm and not get angry or bitter. Not sure how that really relates to OP... but hey. |
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Quoted: This is a good outlook on suffering, I have often reminded myself to be joyful in my suffering, when I know I'm doing something or behaving like he calls us to and it brings suffering through a mocking wife for instance. When I'm alone, besides pray for her I sometimes remember to count it a joy to suffer for Christ. I have noticed this tends to keep me humble, calm and not get angry or bitter. Not sure how that really relates to OP... but hey. View Quote Certainly the ability to be joyful and humble is a gift that is most often learned in an unpleasant classroom. |
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2 Corinthians 1:3
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God. It breaks my heart to read this BR. I continue to pray for you. What I have learned about suffering, is that God will use it to allow you to get closer to him. Remember Mark 10:21Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. I could not believe the change in my husband through his suffering. As hard as this is, know your suffering is a gift. Seems opposite from gift as you are dealing with so much. That is the cross and burden you have been asked to carry. Lay this it as an offering at the foot of the Cross. Remember Jesus begged His Father in the garden of Gethsemane. Out of great love for YOU our Lord said YES to death on the cross. Do you think, as much as He loves you, that he will allow you to falter under this cross? Keep the cross with you and remember! I don't ask why anymore. I simply say YES Lord and your will be done. I can't get out of bed if I don't. You constantly remain in my prayers and I will offer fasting and an extra rosary and Divine Mercy for you. You've got this. |
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Originally Posted By angelfire: 2 Corinthians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God. It breaks my heart to read this BR. I continue to pray for you. What I have learned about suffering, is that God will use it to allow you to get closer to him. Remember Mark 10:21Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. I could not believe the change in my husband through his suffering. As hard as this is, know your suffering is a gift. Seems opposite from gift as you are dealing with so much. That is the cross and burden you have been asked to carry. Lay this it as an offering at the foot of the Cross. Remember Jesus begged His Father in the garden of Gethsemane. Out of great love for YOU our Lord said YES to death on the cross. Do you think, as much as He loves you, that he will allow you to falter under this cross? Keep the cross with you and remember! I don't ask why anymore. I simply say YES Lord and your will be done. I can't get out of bed if I don't. You constantly remain in my prayers and I will offer fasting and an extra rosary and Divine Mercy for you. You've got this. View Quote Thank you so much. I truly appreciate your prayers for me. IM sent |
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Quoted: I suffer from some medical issues. You may know this from some of my posts. I’m having a rough night and have been praying to God to help me and to be with me to strengthen me as I have grown weary from dealing with these things. A scripture came into my mind out of nowhere. Romans 6:23. So I looked it up a few minutes ago. It says: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. What is God telling me? I read all of Chapter 6 just now and I don’t understand how it applies to my suffering. What am I missing? View Quote Stop looking at the short term issues and problems. Look at the long term vision. Paul had the same issue, he had injuries that plagued him. He said that he prayed repeatedly for God to heal him and remove that constant pain. God's response was "My grace is sufficient." Puts everything in proper perspective. Nothing matters in this life other than your salvation; nothing. |
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