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Posted: 1/23/2021 6:46:02 PM EDT
[#1]
Buy the FAL
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Posted: 1/23/2021 6:47:38 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FAL and PTR91 This |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 6:47:41 PM EDT
[#3]
I've long been a roller delay fanboy, but building my first FAL right now and am really getting a better appreciation of the design.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 6:52:25 PM EDT
[#4]
As the guns are set up I would say FAL mostly because the stock HK91 lack of a paddle mag release is kinda shit.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 6:59:28 PM EDT
[#5]
Having owned both, I must lean towards the FAL. I did love my PTR91 and regret selling both. I will be trying to get a new FAL this year or next. Same for the PTR91. I still have boxes of magazines for both.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:00:19 PM EDT
[#6]
I like them both, but the standard length, fixed stock FAL/SLR is loooong.
OTOH, the HK91 is shorter if you are getting in and out of vehicles, can accept a surplus collapsible stock easily to make the weapon even more compact, and original mil-issue surplus magazines from The Fatherland are still quite inexpensive. From a collector's standpoint, a Belgium FAL would probably be more attractive to me since they are quite uncommon and a good quality PTR-91 can be purchased that will do everything the out-of-production original HK will. Buy the FAL, and scratch your HK91 itch with a PTR-91 with the paddle magazine release. You could probably buy three PTR-91s for the price of one original HK and nobody on the business end would know the difference. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:10:31 PM EDT
[#7]
I had a (cheap) FAL copy and currently have a PTR 91. I really prefer the PTR, weird ergonomics and all. This may be because I shoot left handed but the FAL never really seemed to be a good fit for me. Another plus for the PTR is it's a damn garbage eater; it pretty much cycles anything I put through it.
You could get both a DSA and a PTR for around three grand OP. Best of both worlds |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:10:39 PM EDT
[#8]
Have owned and shot both quite a bit. Personally I prefer the G3 platform, no gas system to deal with, it will run any ammo you run through it, straight line recoil impulse.
Ergonomics do take a bit getting used to, more accurate than ANY FAL I have ever shot or built. I think the FAL has too skinny of a barrel and too much mechanical movement on the barrel to influence accuracy. As stated mags are still fairly cheap, during the Clinton AWB I recall them running +$100.00, as soon as it expired I bought cases of them for .99 each. I owned a HK91 for a while and in all honesty my early JLD PTR is a better built rifle, everything on it other than the Wilson barrel and JLD receiver is all HK. It is an absolute pleasure to shoot, recoil is not bad on the G3 type rifles if you run the heavy buffer. I have a HK trigger pack that has been reworked by Williams some time back and it helps considerably. I do not recommend Bill Springfield trigger work, I think his talents have faded through the years. The FAL has its recoil system angled in the stock, I feel it contributes to muzzle rise on them, I have never noticed excessive muzzle rise on the G3 platform. G3 is hard on brass if you don’t run a port buffer on them. The trunnion configuration on them can be difficult to clean thoroughly, I blast it out with aerosol carb cleaner and it does well. Keep the fluting clean in the chamber, it is essential to proper extraction as the gas helps “float” the casing free. Try not to shoot South African surplus through a G3, they seal the projectile with a tar like substance and it is a bitch to clean out of the fluted chamber!  Both rifles headspacing can be adjusted for wear, locking shoulder for the FAL and roller size for the G3. Both are good rifles, it’s just personal preference. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:17:56 PM EDT
[#9]
I also have both, an SLR and an HK91. Each have their pluses and minuses.
What I haven't heard mentioned here is the designed inaccuracy of the FAL. The front sight is on one side of a hinged system (attached to the receiver) and the rear sight is on the other (attached to the TMH). No matter how good the lock up is between the two there will be variances every time you open and close the receiver. The HK does not have that design and has always been shown to have greater precision. The FAL is a Ferrari when it comes to shooting while the HK91 is the equivalent of a 429 Cobra. 
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:19:13 PM EDT
[#10]
This is sure to go well
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:20:26 PM EDT
[#11]
No collection is complete with out both.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:24:11 PM EDT
[#12]
AAND we're into another Ginger or Mary Ann debate.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:43:06 PM EDT
[#13]
Get both
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:44:41 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FAL all day long. It’s sleek and sexy. HK91 feels like a brick. Ive had both and they work just fine but for me, the FAL hands down. Not even close. This. I have both. FAL all day and weekends too 
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:44:42 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More than 40 including Sweden, Norway, most of the middle east and Turks. It was produced in more countries than the FAL. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The FAL was adopted by over 60 countries. The HK91???? Don't forget Portugal, who is still using them.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:49:40 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The FAL was adopted by over 60 countries. The HK91???? The G3 was issued by 92 flagged countries. Next question? |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:51:08 PM EDT
[#17]
The HK looks nicer but the FAL won't beat the shit out of you when you shoot it.
I vote FAL. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:55:37 PM EDT
[#18]
The FAL is a surprisingly nice rifle.
The G3 is not. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 7:58:54 PM EDT
[#19]
FAL.
and I am a HK fanboy. I have a G3 and a G1 and an Izzy HBAR. If I had to choose, it would be the FALs |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 8:01:58 PM EDT
[#20]
I have owned & fired thousands of rounds through both, The FAL any day & 2X on Sunday. The recoil of the HK make follow up shots more difficult than the FAL & it shoots the brass out like it is trying to kill anyone to the right of it.
I still have a mint HK91A3 in the safe in Free America because of it's collectable value. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 8:02:14 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally nothing in this post is correct. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The HK91 I had in the 80s left flute marks on the brass so the brass was not reloadable. It was not as reliable as I expected it to be but once you dial in the ammo with the gas system you should be ok but why you would buy that over a LaRue OBR is beyond me. Literally nothing in this post is correct. I mean, the shilling is pretty spot on. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 8:09:43 PM EDT
[#22]
I voted that I hate the FAL (because I don't have one yet).
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Posted: 1/23/2021 8:14:26 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FAL and PTR91 Yup, that's what I did. 50 HK91 mags for $50 was a good move, too...though that was about 15 years ago. 
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Posted: 1/23/2021 8:21:19 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget Portugal, who is still using them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/PortugueseG3_jpg-1793678.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The FAL was adopted by over 60 countries. The HK91???? Don't forget Portugal, who is still using them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/PortugueseG3_jpg-1793678.JPG |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 8:22:38 PM EDT
[#25]
You see what this is right here? This is a man’s rifle. These motherfuckers have slotted everything from floppies to elephants to communists hell bent on destroying everything the baby Jesus holds near and dear in his sweet, little, pudgy fingers. This motherfucker will either make a man out of you or make you realize you ain’t a man. The sheer sight of this pig gives women lady boners, makes their panties burst into flames and their nipples harder than a pimps dick at a high school graduation. You torch this bitch off and God almighty takes notice. Turning cover into concealment? Shit. This Belgian beast makes a ‘79 Cadillac seem as thin as a Chinese lantern. You can squeal about your AR all you want, but the hot bitches want a man’s man and not some Mattel toy totin’ pussy boy.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 8:26:25 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both are nice weapons. The $3000 price tag is choking me though. Mags for the HK are pretty cheap still. Is the FAL metric or inch pattern? The cost of those mags differ greatly. I know springfield put their rollmark on the Imbel receiver SAR 48 and 4800 that they marketed as match. Never seen a Belgian marked as such. My Belgian FAL is marked 308 MATCH. 7.62 x 51 mm NATO is a scary military caliber but .308 is a hunting non scary caliber, it was done for importation to some country's. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 8:29:18 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: AAND we're into another Ginger or Mary Ann debate. 1960's or 2020? 
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Posted: 1/23/2021 8:32:33 PM EDT
[#28]
Belgian FAL is a bit more rare. Lots of HK91s out there.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 8:36:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The HK91 I had in the 80s left flute marks on the brass so the brass was not reloadable. It was not as reliable as I expected it to be but once you dial in the ammo with the gas system you should be ok but why you would buy that over a LaRue OBR is beyond me. 
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Posted: 1/23/2021 9:21:18 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The HK91 I had in the 80s left flute marks on the brass so the brass was not reloadable. It was not as reliable as I expected it to be but once you dial in the ammo with the gas system you should be ok but why you would buy that over a LaRue OBR is beyond me. https://th.bing.com/th/id/Rc97bd7e9445222ca53f6b9f464712b21?rik=poRzO9oJZe15ug&riu=http%3a%2f%2f4.bp.blogspot.com%2f-We1wfpMhSWM%2fUOSqQ6BwApI%2fAAAAAAAAENM%2fVE7aCgGFzK0%2fs1600%2fchristian-bale-wtf.gif&ehk=iNqOav2D59Odw4kNmTY22NJopwJSYwiDb2W3vOUIcC0%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw
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Posted: 1/23/2021 9:54:15 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget Portugal, who is still using them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/PortugueseG3_jpg-1793678.JPG Is Portugal really that poor that they still use that boat anchor? Didn't they switch to the 5.56 FN scar? I thought all that surplus port 7.62 was because of the switch to 5.56. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 1:37:22 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Try to buy the first one and if that doesn’t work, buy the second one. Pretty soon, you may not have a chance to get either. That’s my take. I have a nice SA58 I bought years ago that runs great. My question was more from an investment standpoint. That 91 destroys brass. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 1:39:43 AM EDT
[#33]
.......and I have probably 30 FAL mags including a bunch of 30 round converted Bren mags that work.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 1:43:09 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The HK91 I had in the 80s left flute marks on the brass so the brass was not reloadable. It was not as reliable as I expected it to be but once you dial in the ammo with the gas system you should be ok but why you would buy that over a LaRue OBR is beyond me. 
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Posted: 1/24/2021 1:51:46 AM EDT
[#35]
excellent sights
excellent trigger excellent balance ( with USGI barrel)     |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 1:56:50 AM EDT
[#36]
BS. Very easy.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 2:03:08 AM EDT
[#37]
My very early M1A is one of the most underwhelming guns I own.
Quote HistoryQuoted: excellent sights excellent trigger excellent balance ( with USGI barrel) https://i.imgur.com/dPe5Sae.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lQKlpAB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/iROHHlS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Lp3hfUh.jpg |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 4:00:51 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HK 91 all day every day. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 4:03:00 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More than 40 including Sweden, Norway, most of the middle east and Turks. It was produced in more countries than the FAL. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The FAL was adopted by over 60 countries. The HK91???? The G3 was also made in greater numbers, and unlike the FAiL it’s still used everywhere. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 4:10:16 AM EDT
[#40]
Get both
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Posted: 1/24/2021 4:15:46 AM EDT
[#41]
Get both
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Posted: 1/24/2021 4:38:18 AM EDT
[#42]
Had both and suggest the FAL. Cocking handle sleek lines adjustable gas better sights easier to work on the trigger. Forged receiver versus stamped sheet metal. A Belgium FAL is a real prize. A friend had one in the mid 80s and I had the 91. Plenty accurate and probably saved my life.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:00:12 AM EDT
[#43]
Beautiful Belgian made FAL?
That's the One!  A Century Arrms Mix Mash Up? No thanks! |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:36:12 AM EDT
[#44]
Both are great rifles! I've fired both and own two FAL and one CENTME.
If I had to pick one FAL. The Ergonomics Is way better on the FAL p!us the bolt stays open after the last round. HK91 is more accurate and is tough as hell. Get both is the best option, but if I'm going on patrol I'm taking the FAL. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:24:17 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: excellent sights excellent trigger excellent balance ( with USGI barrel) https://i.imgur.com/dPe5Sae.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lQKlpAB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/iROHHlS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Lp3hfUh.jpg Nobody asked about third place. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:59:50 AM EDT
[#46]
HK 91 / G3
Optimal barrel length and handling (most FALs are like telephone poles) Adopted by police agencies in North America for decades (more parts, more gunsmiths / armorers familiar with them) More of them in circulation in North America Cheaper magazines Modular Lighter Greater inherent accuracy (~2 MOA) Easier scope mounting |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:14:32 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The FAL was adopted by over 60 countries. The HK91???? ...is still in service in several nations. (G3 variants) |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:17:31 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You see what this is right here? This is a man’s rifle. These motherfuckers have slotted everything from floppies to elephants to communists hell bent on destroying everything the baby Jesus holds near and dear in his sweet, little, pudgy fingers. This motherfucker will either make a man out of you or make you realize you ain’t a man. The sheer sight of this pig gives women lady boners, makes their panties burst into flames and their nipples harder than a pimps dick at a high school graduation. You torch this bitch off and God almighty takes notice. Turning cover into concealment? Shit. This Belgian beast makes a ‘79 Cadillac seem as thin as a Chinese lantern. You can squeal about your AR all you want, but the hot bitches want a man’s man and not some Mattel toy totin’ pussy boy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/31823/48D87EF5-1758-45B5-8F8A-A99800C27993-1701914.jpg What forend is that? |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 7:35:46 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: excellent sights excellent trigger excellent balance ( with USGI barrel) https://i.imgur.com/dPe5Sae.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lQKlpAB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/iROHHlS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Lp3hfUh.jpg I think the ONE thing that the posters in this thread can agree upon, even if they could NEVER agree on the "FAL vs HK91" question...is that OP should NOT bother with an M14 or derivatives.   |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 8:11:09 AM EDT
[#50]
For many it comes down to ergonomics. Once I handled both side by side, it was the FAL all day. Both are good rifles and I enjoyed shooting a G3 with full-auto in Ecuador. I got into the FAL build craze and ended up with three. I need to convert one to a para-folding stock which is my goal this year.
As a side note, battle rifles are coming back into some inventories. While I was working in A'Stan from 2017 to 2019, the Turks were showing up with their 7.62.51 MPT-76 rifles and the Germans, their H&K 417 rifles. Both in shorter configuration and not used as a DMR. Love my FALs...just glad I still have several thousands of surplus ammo  ROCK6 |
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