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Posted: 9/13/2021 1:38:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2021 1:39:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Derp. Fixt. Remember, brevity is the soul of wit. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 1:39:46 PM EDT
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Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got.
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Posted: 9/13/2021 1:44:13 PM EDT
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The police should go after all the occupants to cover the cost of the repair to the patrol vehicle and physiological counseling for the officer should he need it to recover from his traumatic experience.
Then go after Moore for violation of child labor laws. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 1:46:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang. Pits got another kid. Maneuver of peace? |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 1:48:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang. Pits got another kid.   |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 1:48:24 PM EDT
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Did I miss it? Who did the car belong to? Stolen?
12 years old and already stealing cars? Breacking into cars? |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 1:48:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got. At some point you have to weigh the kids in the car with the other people that could be killed by a recklessly speeding driver evading police. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 1:48:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None of you dumb asses even read the article.... The neighbor was a sovereign citizen, this is why he ran from the cops. ETA: The neighbor killed the kid, not the cops |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 1:56:45 PM EDT
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Would like to know more about the criminal history of the driver. It sounds like he created the situation, but it’s hard to get behind cops wrecking into a car with kids inside unless it is an absolute last ditch effort to save them
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Posted: 9/13/2021 1:58:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Welcome fellow firearm enthusiast! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Remember everyone, it's always going to be your fault somehow. The question is never "why was there a high speed chase when we have radios, GPS, cameras, and massive databases" or "why was it necessary to crash the vehicle." When a cop shoots you in a 2am wrong address no-knock they'll comb through your history to find a reason why you had it coming, or just as often look for someone with a similar name and claim that you had it coming. Three total strangers chase you down and hold you at gunpoint? Your fault if you fight, your fault if you flee, your fault if you stand there and die. The bootlickers will never run out of excuses why the police are unaccountable. Like an abusive boyfriend, they'll tell you that if you didn't want to get hurt you should have just let them do whatever they wanted without question. Welcome fellow firearm enthusiast! Dude, he's been here longer than you |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 2:00:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At some point you have to weigh the kids in the car with the other people that could be killed by a recklessly speeding driver evading police. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got. At some point you have to weigh the kids in the car with the other people that could be killed by a recklessly speeding driver evading police. Tire strips? Road block? Helicopter pursuit? |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 2:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At what speed is a pit unsafe or deadly? How fast was the driver going at the time of the pit? Since the officers spent time at the car window trying to get the guy to roll down his window, there is no way they did not see the two kids in the car with him. Knowing this, why would they use a pit maneuver on his car with two young children in it, especially if it was done at a speed known to increase the risk of deaths? There are many unanswered questions. Probably would have been a lot safer to run one of those strips that blow out tires, or just let the guy go and catch up to him later when it can be done safely. They had his license plate. It's not like they couldn't find him later. This, gonna go with it's ultimately the officer's fault. Not like they don't have radios and other officers. Pulled him over so he should have known two children are in the car. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 2:06:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tire strips? Road block? Helicopter pursuit? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got. At some point you have to weigh the kids in the car with the other people that could be killed by a recklessly speeding driver evading police. Tire strips? Road block? Helicopter pursuit? Stop Sticks roll vehicles all the time and I'm not sure ramming a road block would be safer for the children that a PIT. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 2:09:28 PM EDT
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Unfortunate, but the price of doing business.
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Posted: 9/13/2021 2:13:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea. Those troopers are good guys in that area since I've worked with them for 10yrs. Juvenile pieces of work like you on the other hand.. It's a shit situation. Thanks for proving my point. You shot me without even understanding the message. I didn't say they weren't good guys. I simply stated surprise that he didn't get shot for endangering the troopers when he drove off. Now, let's see if you can recover like an adult. 
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Posted: 9/13/2021 2:38:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stop Sticks roll vehicles all the time and I'm not sure ramming a road block would be safer for the children that a PIT. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got. At some point you have to weigh the kids in the car with the other people that could be killed by a recklessly speeding driver evading police. Tire strips? Road block? Helicopter pursuit? Stop Sticks roll vehicles all the time and I'm not sure ramming a road block would be safer for the children that a PIT. All they had on the guy at the time was a simple speeding infraction. Follow up on the plate number and see what you get. Is a speeding ticket worth possibly killing the two children in the car, possibly injuring or killing uninvolved innocents during the pursuit, or all of the possible property damage that could result from it? The worst thing that happens by not initiating a pursuit is the guy gets away with speeding. What's the worst that could happen by chasing him? |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 2:47:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At some point you have to weigh the kids in the car with the other people that could be killed by a recklessly speeding driver evading police. I've done all manner of stupid shit in these situations. Might be the first time I have ever terminated a pursuit, but in this case, I hope I would have. I know, Monday morning and all that. Horrible outcome for everyone involved. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 2:49:58 PM EDT
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Pretty sure the offender is liable, both criminally and civilly...
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Posted: 9/13/2021 2:53:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @kncook Thanks for proving my point. You shot me without even understanding the message. I didn't say they weren't good guys. I simply stated surprise that he didn't get shot for endangering the troopers when he drove off. Now, let's see if you can recover like an adul. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yea. Those troopers are good guys in that area since I've worked with them for 10yrs. Juvenile pieces of work like you on the other hand.. It's a shi situation. Thanks for proving my point. You shot me without even understanding the message. I didn't say they weren't good guys. I simply stated surprise that he didn't get shot for endangering the troopers when he drove off. Now, let's see if you can recover like an adul. Uh what? |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 2:58:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got. Maybe. Was he a hazard for others on the road? I would have to know more. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 3:05:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All they had on the guy at the time was a simple speeding infraction. Follow up on the plate number and see what you get. Is a speeding ticket worth possibly killing the two children in the car, possibly injuring or killing uninvolved innocents during the pursuit, or all of the possible property damage that could result from it? The worst thing that happens by not initiating a pursuit is the guy gets away with speeding. What's the worst that could happen by chasing him? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got. At some point you have to weigh the kids in the car with the other people that could be killed by a recklessly speeding driver evading police. Tire strips? Road block? Helicopter pursuit? Stop Sticks roll vehicles all the time and I'm not sure ramming a road block would be safer for the children that a PIT. All they had on the guy at the time was a simple speeding infraction. Follow up on the plate number and see what you get. Is a speeding ticket worth possibly killing the two children in the car, possibly injuring or killing uninvolved innocents during the pursuit, or all of the possible property damage that could result from it? The worst thing that happens by not initiating a pursuit is the guy gets away with speeding. What's the worst that could happen by chasing him? We know that now. It’s just speeding so when a guy just speeding with two kids takes off after not identifying themselves that should be an alarm something else is wrong. Like maybe kidnapping. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 3:05:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, gonna go with it's ultimately the officer's fault. Not like they don't have radios and other officers. Pulled him over so he should have known two children are in the car. Does kids being in the car change the fact that he's a danger to other drivers on the road? So what, they don't knock him off the road and he head-ons an innocent family, killing 7 people instead of 1? It was shit no matter how it was sliced and diced, but I'm not faulting the officers. They kept him from causing more harm. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 3:10:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pit manuever for a dumbass "sovereign citizen"?  Yeah those troopers fucked up. They won’t be the first Georgia troopers to get indicted for killing someone in an unnecessary chase. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 3:11:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2021 3:28:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2021 3:30:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got. 
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Posted: 9/13/2021 4:03:11 PM EDT
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Serious question. Since they knew who the driver was, make and model of the car and the tag number and that there were two kids in the car: Why couldn't they just wait for him at his house?
Now if he had kidnapped someone, robbed, raped, or murdered, it would be different. But, over a speeding ticket (original cause for the stop)????? |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 4:08:18 PM EDT
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Yet again, they blame LE for the actions of criminals.
I am betting the kid was not in a seatbelt. If the punk driver was known to LE, then could it be possible they knew he didn’t have kids and thought why there were two young kids in the car with him? Hmmm suspicious? Nah, back to Dancing with the stars……. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 4:10:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pit manuever for a dumbass "sovereign citizen"? Cops get really spun up about sovereign citizens. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 4:11:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2021 4:29:17 PM EDT
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 Arizona troopers uses 'Grappler' to stop reckless driver |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 4:33:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We know that now. It’s just speeding so when a guy just speeding with two kids takes off after not identifying themselves that should be an alarm something else is wrong. Like maybe kidnapping. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got. At some point you have to weigh the kids in the car with the other people that could be killed by a recklessly speeding driver evading police. Tire strips? Road block? Helicopter pursuit? Stop Sticks roll vehicles all the time and I'm not sure ramming a road block would be safer for the children that a PIT. All they had on the guy at the time was a simple speeding infraction. Follow up on the plate number and see what you get. Is a speeding ticket worth possibly killing the two children in the car, possibly injuring or killing uninvolved innocents during the pursuit, or all of the possible property damage that could result from it? The worst thing that happens by not initiating a pursuit is the guy gets away with speeding. What's the worst that could happen by chasing him? We know that now. It’s just speeding so when a guy just speeding with two kids takes off after not identifying themselves that should be an alarm something else is wrong. Like maybe kidnapping. Was he stopped under suspicion of kidnapping? Do you assume any adult driving a car with children inside is kidnapping them? You don't get to assume someone is guilty of all crimes until proven otherwise. At the time of the stop his only alleged crime was a traffic infraction. I don't think I've ever seen someone run with their kid(s) in the vehicle where the officers just assume they've kidnapped children immediately. Maybe if they're looking for an amber alert and the kid fits the description, but as a general reaction? |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 4:46:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We know that now. It’s just speeding so when a guy just speeding with two kids takes off after not identifying themselves that should be an alarm something else is wrong. Like maybe kidnapping. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got. At some point you have to weigh the kids in the car with the other people that could be killed by a recklessly speeding driver evading police. Tire strips? Road block? Helicopter pursuit? Stop Sticks roll vehicles all the time and I'm not sure ramming a road block would be safer for the children that a PIT. All they had on the guy at the time was a simple speeding infraction. Follow up on the plate number and see what you get. Is a speeding ticket worth possibly killing the two children in the car, possibly injuring or killing uninvolved innocents during the pursuit, or all of the possible property damage that could result from it? The worst thing that happens by not initiating a pursuit is the guy gets away with speeding. What's the worst that could happen by chasing him? We know that now. It’s just speeding so when a guy just speeding with two kids takes off after not identifying themselves that should be an alarm something else is wrong. Like maybe kidnapping. The kid was in danger, so they killed him to save him.  |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 4:49:52 PM EDT
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This happened down the street from where I work. The driver was hauling ass in a construction zone. Based on the skid marks he spun and rolled a few times. The car should have been equipped with life saving devices like seat belts and air bags. If we are at granny's funeral why is the kid not there ?
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:02:11 PM EDT
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If LE didn't know others were in the car, then that's bad luck.
If LE did know others were in the car, then stopping that fella better be worth all of the lives in the car at the time. State of WA recently passed a law to test the idea. No more chasing cars - arrest them later under more controlled circumstances. (While the law is poorly written and has a serious case of the "unintended consequences"...) It will be interesting to learn from WA's experiment if such enforcement activities are better/worse/the-same... |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:02:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question. Since they knew who the driver was, make and model of the car and the tag number and that there were two kids in the car: Why couldn't they just wait for him at his house? Now if he had kidnapped someone, robbed, raped, or murdered, it would be different. But, over a speeding ticket (original cause for the stop)????? Did they know who the driver was at the time of the traffic stop? It says he failed to produce a license and took off.....based on that I'd assume they figured out who was driving after the crash. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:06:26 PM EDT
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"12 year old dead after driver wouldnt stop for police"
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:09:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was he stopped under suspicion of kidnapping? Do you assume any adult driving a car with children inside is kidnapping them? You don't get to assume someone is guilty of all crimes until proven otherwise. At the time of the stop his only alleged crime was a traffic infraction. I don't think I've ever seen someone run with their kid(s) in the vehicle where the officers just assume they've kidnapped children immediately. Maybe if they're looking for an amber alert and the kid fits the description, but as a general reaction? Not saying I agree with the pit.....but I can see how it would seem very suspicious to a cop to pull someone over for a fairly minor offence, with kids in the car, who then refused to give ID and took off. If you imagine the worse, that the kids were kidnapped, imagine the uproar if the cop just let him drive away without pursuing them. In this case, I'm sure the cop wishes things would have ended up different, looking back at something with all the information makes the right choice looks easy. ETA: Shitty situation all around....but I place the death of the kid on the idiot behind the wheel. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:14:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember everyone, it's always going to be your fault somehow. The question is never "why was there a high speed chase when we have radios, GPS, cameras, and massive databases" or "why was it necessary to crash the vehicle." When a cop shoots you in a 2am wrong address no-knock they'll comb through your history to find a reason why you had it coming, or just as often look for someone with a similar name and claim that you had it coming. Three total strangers chase you down and hold you at gunpoint? Your fault if you fight, your fault if you flee, your fault if you stand there and die. The bootlickers will never run out of excuses why the police are unaccountable. Like an abusive boyfriend, they'll tell you that if you didn't want to get hurt you should have just let them do whatever they wanted without question. How about we ask for a little responsibility and accountability with the criminals? |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:14:32 PM EDT
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Crappy situation, but wouldn't blame the cops on this one.
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:17:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they know who the driver was at the time of the traffic stop? It says he failed to produce a license and took off.....based on that I'd assume they figured out who was driving after the crash. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Serious question. Since they knew who the driver was, make and model of the car and the tag number and that there were two kids in the car: Why couldn't they just wait for him at his house? Now if he had kidnapped someone, robbed, raped, or murdered, it would be different. But, over a speeding ticket (original cause for the stop)????? Did they know who the driver was at the time of the traffic stop? It says he failed to produce a license and took off.....based on that I'd assume they figured out who was driving after the crash. Also said the car wasn’t his either. Realize the story shows the kids as what looks like a 5-7yr old. Not sure how big the kids were in the car at night to see if they could be IDd clearly as juveniles |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:19:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet again, they blame LE for the actions of criminals. Police chases are negligent. Plain and simple. They kill far too many innocent bystanders. Cops own their own actions when they endanger others. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:22:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like a scumbag's crimes led to the death of a kid. Blame the criminal, not the police. It's situations like this that are why some departments have basically stopped pursuing vehicles entirely. Too much liability. And then you have victims wondering why the police won't chase the criminals anymore. EXACTLY!!!! Which is why someone who is an accessory to a crime gets dinged with a murder charge if ANYONE in that whole mess dies. Right? |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:24:41 PM EDT
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We need more details. There are multiple questions that need answered before we can reasonably come to a conclusion.
A. Why were the police chasing this guy in the first place? B. What did the neighbor do to attract the attention of the police? C. Did the police know there was another occupant in the vehicle? D. Were there any alternatives available instead of the PIT maneuver? |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:26:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got. I agree. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:30:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got. I agree. Hashbrownmetoo |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:32:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Knowing there were kids in the car, they shouldn't have pitted it. That's all I got. If they knew there was a kid in the car, then I would be inclined to agree. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:37:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed it for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Georgia: 12 year old dead after neighbor runs from cops Fixed it for you. Fuck around and find out. I don’t know how it got to be this way but we never focus on the crimes that led to the issue… Floyd, Ferguson, Rodney Kang…. All the same. Don’t do the crime if you… 8654 |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 5:38:09 PM EDT
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He should have pulled him over to check for id before the pit.
Silly police |
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