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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:10:33 PM EDT
[#1]
It’s not going to work because both parties will unite to kill a third party like they did with the Tea Party.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:11:16 PM EDT
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So you have five reasons why a third party would not work, but we would be here all damn night listing reasons on why the two party system is not working.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:12:45 PM EDT
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1) If you can't take over the GOP, what makes you think you can successfully build a new party? too many people refused to accept that their party was culpable for anything wrong.. probably quite a few in denial still. true conservatives have seen the problem and spoken out about it, but no, they (eta: the GOP/RINO) rather blame it on someone else, like Libertarians for example. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:13:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not going to work because both parties will unite to kill a third party like they did with the Tea Party. There was no leader in the Tea Party. If Trump leads a new party, I give it a chance. Who cares about a new party affecting republicans as the Democrats will lie, cheat and steal while the Republicans do nothing. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:14:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:16:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you have five reasons why a third party would not work, but we would be here all damn night listing reasons on why the two party system is not working. The system is designed to work against people. There’s no bargaining with it or bending it to the will of the people. Until people completely disengage from the control we will suffer through its designs. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:16:28 PM EDT
[#7]
Instead of a new party. Establish an endorsement group.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:16:51 PM EDT
[#8]
It won’t work because of the terrible name.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:17:40 PM EDT
[#9]
Conservatives can’t even agree on conservative things. Why would they ever think that a new party would change that?
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:18:09 PM EDT
[#10]
Don't care, I'm never voting R in a presidential election again.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:18:51 PM EDT
[#11]
Agreed, what we need to do is rebuild the Republican Party.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:19:44 PM EDT
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The Patriot Party was a socialist organization of the late 1960s and early 1970s in the United States that organized poor, rural whites in the Appalachian South and Pacific Northwest.
The Patriot Party borrowed strategies of community organizing from the Black Panthers, with whom they were especially close. In 1970 the FBI arrested the entire central committee of the Patriot Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Party_(1960s%E2%80%931980s) I don't know why they would name it that when it has already been done before and was socialist |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:19:47 PM EDT
[#13]
Sound like a lot of people like to quit before the game is played.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:19:53 PM EDT
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"It would revolve around Trump". Fuck sakes Never Trumpers are goddamned annoying. The polarization and disenfranchisement began before Trump came onto the scene. Trump was the farthest option from the establishment anyone had at the time that is what got him elected.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:20:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:21:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not going to work because both parties will unite to kill a third party like they did with the Tea Party. This is the best answer. In reality they are both the same party with the same goals. Any one else who sees otherwise is a blind zealot and a fool. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:21:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed, what we need to do is rebuild the Republican Party. Trump flew in under the R symbol. Depends on the person. I can identify a Mittens and McStain now. I will never vote for that type again. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:21:53 PM EDT
[#18]
Ahhh, we don’t have to beat them, just fight them!
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:22:04 PM EDT
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Let’s say a new party was born, the patriot party we have been calling it- whats to say the GOP filth wouldn’t just claim they were now patriot party members? Once a GOP always a GOP? Vote out ALL GOP members? Give dems control until this actually gets going? I don’t see logistically how it would work.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:23:08 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't care, I'm never voting R in a presidential election again. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:23:11 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sound like a lot of people like to quit before the game is played. Wouldn’t you prefer a nice game of personal responsibility?  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:23:53 PM EDT
[#22]
But it’s hard to do
But it can’t work because things But it’s never worked before You either have values or your “but” is showing. Which is it? |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:25:21 PM EDT
[#23]
I don't believe many folks actually see a third party being successful. I see it more as a weapon to force so called Republicans to act like Republicans.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:26:09 PM EDT
[#24]
I think a lot of people think this has to be a binary option. It doesn't need to be a "national" party at first. Find the areas where there are weak candidates in either party and run against them. There is no rule that a Presidential option has to be on the ticket. Like a business start small make sound investments and grow. Yes the Demoncrats would have "control" but if a large enough contingent get in it could sway the important stuff. Just an idea. Flame suit on.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:26:37 PM EDT
[#25]
It's doubtful to work because unless Trump has some super secret Q bullshit going down right now, he's lost a good portion of his voters. Many Trump voters don't even like him, they just wanted the swamp drained at any cost. He appears to have left office with a lot of unexpended ammunition.. that's not a good look.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:27:12 PM EDT
[#26]
You'll never root out all the swamp dwellers out of the Republican party.
We saw that with DJT's 4 years. Even ones you thought were the good guys came out as the creature from the black lagoon at the end. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:28:28 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't care, I'm never voting R in a presidential election again. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:31:15 PM EDT
[#28]
Rooftop party.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:31:50 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well hello Mr. Democrat. Say bye to your freedoms. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't care, I'm never voting R in a presidential election again. Voting doesn't mean anything anymore. That is the biggest thing we took away from the 2020 election. To whom you cast your vote for president doesn't matter now. Vote green, vote libertarian, vote republican, vote democrat. It's all the same. The vote counters decide now, not the we the people. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:32:53 PM EDT
[#30]
If the Patriot Party takes off, all it will do us guarantee Democrat Hegemony for the next 50 years
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:33:24 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you have five reasons why a third party would not work, but we would be here all damn night listing reasons on why the two party system is not working. Apples and oranges. A third party won't work, where "work" is defined as gain traction against the two entrenched parties, with our current electoral system. The current two party system does not work, where "work" is defined as serving the interests of the people. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:33:46 PM EDT
[#32]
I fucking HATE Republicans.
And I want them to burn down. I want them to fail at this point. But I concede that taking them over from the inside would be easier then starting from scratch |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:35:22 PM EDT
[#33]
2) You win by adding people, not subtracting them. If you're not left of JFK, we |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:35:37 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But it’s hard to do But it can’t work because things But it’s never worked before You either have values or your “but” is showing. Which is it? Those are the excuses people usually have when I say the only way for freedom to exist is to stop giving the system any power. What is personal responsibility? What is total opposite of personal responsibility? Imagine the absolute maximum level of personal responsibility, in all aspects of life. That is the only way people make it through this without being enslaved after massive death and suffering. One thing is certain, people are no where near personally responsible, even those that think they are, aren’t. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:36:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Patriot Party was a socialist organization of the late 1960s and early 1970s in the United States that organized poor, rural whites in the Appalachian South and Pacific Northwest. The Patriot Party borrowed strategies of community organizing from the Black Panthers, with whom they were especially close. In 1970 the FBI arrested the entire central committee of the Patriot Party https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Party_(1960s%E2%80%931980s) I don't know why they would name it that when it has already been done before and was socialist Socialists are using the Democrat name and Democrats have taken over the Republican party so... |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:36:46 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Conservatives can’t even agree on conservative things. Why would they ever think that a new party would change that? This here is the real problem. The "Right" is not a united block. We have a bunch of people who intensely dislike various aspects of the Democratic party platform but can't agree on what they support. These people like to talk about "freedom" but usually only mean their own freedom to do what they want to do. Most want the benefits of western society from years past but don't understand the cultural foundation that made those benefits possible. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:37:29 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well hello Mr. Democrat. Say bye to your freedoms. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't care, I'm never voting R in a presidential election again.  Failed To Load Title Put my retard hat on.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:37:32 PM EDT
[#38]
One of my Senators was one of the 6 that did the right thing.
I'll vote to keep him, but the rest Republican party needs to burn to the ground and get rebuilt. They really pissed me off. Many are in office right now due to Trump and they wanted him out as bad as the Democrats. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:37:47 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of personal responsibility? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/352436/6ADABD7F-1BE0-43FF-8334-3BE099A78D5B_jpe-1795695.JPG |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:38:10 PM EDT
[#40]
OP is correct.
What needs to happen is for the conservative/populist movement to take over the Republican party from the DC establishment elite. Trump drew record levels of support from more different groups than any Republican candidate because his message is true (and he drew record opposition because of ruthless and unprecedented propaganda). The Tea Party was taken over and co-opted by the Republican establishment, who were happy to have the votes but never delivered on the principles. The Tea Party principles were also true, and Trump followed on that. Karl Rove and the neocons won short-term gains, but sold out the long term future of the party be completely abandoning principles. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:39:44 PM EDT
[#41]
Are there no Democrat voters unhappy with their left wing party representatives? If not, give it a year or two.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:40:33 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed, what we need to do is rebuild the Republican Party. Yeah, then we can vote super hard and totally win!! |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:42:11 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the Patriot Party takes off, all it will do us guarantee Democrat Hegemony for the next 50 years At least. The DNC would gladly send donations. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:47:54 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I fucking HATE Republicans. And I want them to burn down. I want them to fail at this point. But I concede that taking them over from the inside would be easier then starting from scratch |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:47:58 PM EDT
[#45]
The only thing it will work for is the left.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:55:01 PM EDT
[#46]
Patriot.
I hate that fucking word more and more everyday. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:55:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Care to tell me what I'm responsable for? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of personal responsibility? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/352436/6ADABD7F-1BE0-43FF-8334-3BE099A78D5B_jpe-1795695.JPG The consequences of your actions, not just the primary consequences, but the secondary, tertiary, and so on, for generations to come. On one hand people are brainwashed, so it’s not entirely their own fault, but the signs are so obvious now it’s like Stockholm syndrome to deny reality. People that deny this reality can’t use reason to deduce the correct actions to correct course. If people continue down this path, continuing to engage with *this system, and allowing institutions to make these choices and have control over their survival, it will mean the absolute enslavement of America, and the world under this system when the mask fully comes off. If people don’t wake the fuck up the future generations will suffer for the poor choices of this generation. Some choices aren’t yours to make.  Failed To Load Title *For those unfamiliar, this system is world government. A series of private institutions that have gained control of everything that people need to survive, as well as every government body. You can come to grips with reality or you can break down at what you were apart of after you hand the country over to this force permanently. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:57:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This! Never cut your nose off to spite your face!. That’s all 99% of people have done for the last 80 years. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:59:03 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The consequences of your actions, not just the primary consequences, but the secondary, tertiary, and so on, for generations to come. On one hand people are brainwashed, so it's not entirely their own fault, but the signs are so obvious now it's like Stockholm syndrome to deny reality. People that deny this reality can't use reason to deduce the correct actions to correct course. If people continue down this path, continuing to engage with *this system, and allowing institutions to make these choices and have control over their survival, it will mean the absolute enslavement of America, and the world under this system when the mask fully comes off. If people don't wake the fuck up the future generations will suffer for the poor choices of this generation. Some choices aren't yours to make.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmOp0cDqbd8*For those unfamiliar, this system is world government. A series of private institutions that have gained control of everything that people need to survive, as well as every government body. You can come to grips with reality or you can break down at what you were apart of after you hand the country over to this force permanently. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of personal responsibility? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/352436/6ADABD7F-1BE0-43FF-8334-3BE099A78D5B_jpe-1795695.JPG The consequences of your actions, not just the primary consequences, but the secondary, tertiary, and so on, for generations to come. On one hand people are brainwashed, so it's not entirely their own fault, but the signs are so obvious now it's like Stockholm syndrome to deny reality. People that deny this reality can't use reason to deduce the correct actions to correct course. If people continue down this path, continuing to engage with *this system, and allowing institutions to make these choices and have control over their survival, it will mean the absolute enslavement of America, and the world under this system when the mask fully comes off. If people don't wake the fuck up the future generations will suffer for the poor choices of this generation. Some choices aren't yours to make. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmOp0cDqbd8*For those unfamiliar, this system is world government. A series of private institutions that have gained control of everything that people need to survive, as well as every government body. You can come to grips with reality or you can break down at what you were apart of after you hand the country over to this force permanently. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:59:24 PM EDT
[#50]
It's not going to get any better, especially now with 5G. If they shut the cell towers down, people's brain will return to normal
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