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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:31:57 AM EDT
    Here is the only Austrian issued GLOCK P80 in the US. It is at the Smithsonian Museum. As a bonus, here is the 1986 Gun Digest review of the GLOCK 17. This is the first review of the US release of the GLOCK.     Here's the first article on the .40 S&W chambered GLOCKs too published in Shooting Times' November 1990 issue.           Here's my GLOCK P80 reproduction just for fun.    The GLOCK is now ho-hum handgun. But I remember when GLOCK pistols were out of this world revolutionarily different. Honestly, I am still in that mindset where to me, the GLOCK is the benchmark that all other handguns should strive towards. Yes, I still enjoy my S&W 3rd Gens and Beretta 92 DA/SA line of guns. I love revolvers, 1911s, and Hi-Powers too. But GLOCK has been and always will be my go to gun for anything and everything serious. Gaston's plastic fantastic really did changed what was considered the industry standard and flipped the apple cart. I'm a GLOCK Diehard and I'll never go to something else. Sure, the HK came out prior to GLOCK and the HS2000 came out after. One was a flop but tried new markets and the other is a well made competitor. But GLOCK is the Goldilocks of pistols. It really got everything right and since then, everyone has tried to dethrone it by copying it. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:35:12 AM EDT
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Thank you for posting those articles. Right click, save as.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:36:06 AM EDT
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Neat.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:48:59 AM EDT
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Thanks for posting this. I’m laid up and need all the good reading I can get.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 11:54:57 AM EDT
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I remember about 84 or 85 when the LGS first got them in. They were just over $200. He was telling me they are a disposable pistol. Once it wears out, you just toss it out and buy another one.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:13:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember about 84 or 85 when the LGS first got them in. They were just over $200. He was telling me they are a disposable pistol. Once it wears out, you just toss it out and buy another one. @shotar, I met Herr Glock as a kid. He swung by the agency my Father worked at the time. Dad was one of the first to carry a GLOCK as a cop in FL. He got his picture taken with Gaston that day. I still remember as a snot nosed punk shooting a GLOCK for the first time on the police range. I was in shock because it weighed the same as the Nintendo Zapper. Prior to that GLOCK, all I was shooting was Beretta 92s and S&W Revolvers plus a 1911 here and there. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:22:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @shotar, I met Herr Glock as a kid. He swung by the agency my Father worked at the time. Dad was one of the first to carry a GLOCK as a cop in FL. He got his picture taken with Gaston that day. I still remember as a snot nosed punk shooting a GLOCK for the first time on the police range. I was in shock because it weighed the same as the Nintendo Zapper. Prior to that GLOCK, all I was shooting was Beretta 92s and S&W Revolvers plus a 1911 here and there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I remember about 84 or 85 when the LGS first got them in. They were just over $200. He was telling me they are a disposable pistol. Once it wears out, you just toss it out and buy another one. @shotar, I met Herr Glock as a kid. He swung by the agency my Father worked at the time. Dad was one of the first to carry a GLOCK as a cop in FL. He got his picture taken with Gaston that day. I still remember as a snot nosed punk shooting a GLOCK for the first time on the police range. I was in shock because it weighed the same as the Nintendo Zapper. Prior to that GLOCK, all I was shooting was Beretta 92s and S&W Revolvers plus a 1911 here and there. CSB for real! You still have the picture? |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:22:29 PM EDT
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First review was in the old International Combat Arms magazine, I thought it odd as they mainly talked about aircraft, tanks ad weapons systems.
The reviewer stored it in a bucket of seawater during the week. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:26:20 PM EDT
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Interesting. Wish I hadn't sold my Gen 1 way back when.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:33:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CSB for real! You still have the picture? |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:35:57 PM EDT
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I remember reading some of those articles. Have to admit, I didn't think the Glock would ever catch on with American law enforcement---there had to be a weakness somewhere.
I acquired a G17 around 1990 or '91. I was immediately hooked. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:37:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. Wish I hadn't sold my Gen 1 way back when. I wished I bought my agency issued Gen 2. But at the time, I was all "why would I spend $400 on a used GLOCK when I can buy a brand new Gen 3 at $398 Blue Label prices". I started my career with a Gen 2 G17 and now I want one. The Lipsey Retro GLOCK is cool as hell. Gen 1 aesthetics with Gen 3 innards. I still have the original non-captured recoil spring and guide rod that came on the very first Gen 1 guns plus the original trigger assembly that was replaced around '90-'91. I'm going to put those parts in the retro GLOCK.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:38:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember reading some of those articles. Have to admit, I didn't think the Glock would ever catch on with American law enforcement---there had to be a weakness somewhere. I acquired a G17 around 1990 or '91. I was immediately hooked. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:39:51 PM EDT
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Awesome! Thanks JBT.
I had such a hard-on for one since those articles came out, and couldn't buy one until 1992. A G20! Too bad I sold it. Too hard to find ammo. :( |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:42:57 PM EDT
[#14]
nice articles, cool reads for my morning.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:43:56 PM EDT
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That Kokalis article is the reason I bought my first Glock in 1984 or thereabouts.
Peter G. Kokalis was one hell of a firearms expert and writer. I still remember the first line of that article. Another stirling Kokalis line was when he was reviewing the Stallard, a cheap 9mm. He wrote "You wouldn't think someone could build a good 9mm pistol and sell it for $99 and you'd be right.". Kokalis was 50% of the reason I bought SOF in ancient times. My Glock 17 is pictured in Ayoob's book on the semi auto in police service. I was at an LFI class and he asked to borrow it, and a couple other student's handguns, for a picture. CSB, huh? |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:49:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That Kokalis article is the reason I bought my first Glock in 1984 or thereabouts. Peter G. Kokalis was one hell of a firearms expert and writer. I still remember the first line of that article. Another stirling Kokalis line was when he was reviewing the Stallard, a cheap 9mm. He wrote "You wouldn't think someone could build a good 9mm pistol and sell it for $99 and you'd be right.". Kokalis was 50% of the reason I bought SOF in ancient times. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 12:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GLOCK really wasn't in the US in 1984. Their first guns came over in late 1985. I bought it at a Bill Goodman show at the Detroit National Guard Armory, another relic of the past (the Goodman shows that is). There was lots of bitching among IPSC shooters when I was using a Glock 17 and they had single stack 1911's. 
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Posted: 2/26/2021 1:06:07 PM EDT
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Just bought my first Glock. A 19 here in CA. I pick it up next week.
I don't think I have ever shot one though.  We'll see how it compares to my standby Hipowers. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 1:10:45 PM EDT
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 I need to get a Gen 1, Gen 2, and Gen 3 G17 to make the collection complete like that image. The Gen 2 & 3 are easy. The Gen 1, not so much.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 1:17:59 PM EDT
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Competition wise, I am a CZ snob and like the way they shoot....
But carry and home defense, wife got rid of her xdm and carries my gen 3 g19 now, and I continually reach for my 19x. People can say what they want, but I agree, companies should agree that glock is the reference on reliability and accuracy. Some people have wives who are ugly as fuck, but they could still be a great person and wife! |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 1:20:01 PM EDT
[#21]
Good reads, thanks for sharing
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Posted: 2/26/2021 1:24:14 PM EDT
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Great thread! Tagged.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 1:35:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That Kokalis article is the reason I bought my first Glock in 1984 or thereabouts. Peter G. Kokalis was one hell of a firearms expert and writer. I still remember the first line of that article. Another stirling Kokalis line was when he was reviewing the Stallard, a cheap 9mm. He wrote "You wouldn't think someone could build a good 9mm pistol and sell it for $99 and you'd be right.". Kokalis was 50% of the reason I bought SOF in ancient times. My Glock 17 is pictured in Ayoob's book on the semi auto in police service. I was at an LFI class and he asked to borrow it, and a couple other student's handguns, for a picture. CSB, huh? I loved the Kokalis weapon reviews. I always attended his seminars at the old Soldier of Fortune Conventions. His MG collection was amazing. RIP. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 2:04:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember as a kid seeing City of Miami Cops from from Revolvers to GLOCKs. It was cool as hell. MPD was the first major urban agency in the country to go GLOCK. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I remember reading some of those articles. Have to admit, I didn't think the Glock would ever catch on with American law enforcement---there had to be a weakness somewhere. I acquired a G17 around 1990 or '91. I was immediately hooked. IIRC, before Knox County, TN, allowed, and later adopted, Glocks, a deputy traveled to Miami to meet with Miami instructors. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 2:34:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Competition wise, I am a CZ snob and like the way they shoot.... But carry and home defense, wife got rid of her xdm and carries my gen 3 g19 now, and I continually reach for my 19x. People can say what they want, but I agree, companies should agree that glock is the reference on reliability and accuracy. Some people have wives who are ugly as fuck, but they could still be a great person and wife! Reliability certainly, but accuracy, no. Everything else I own is more accurate. My glocks can't compete with Sig or CZ in the accuracy department. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 2:51:33 PM EDT
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I was a long time fan of Peter Kokalis. I was fortunate to be able to meet him and spend a little time with him when I worked for a firearm manufacturer. He is right up there with Elmer Keith in my opinion.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 3:15:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/26/2021 4:05:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UhIAAOSwJCRffIWi/s-l1600.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/SteyrAUG/GunAds000167.jpg https://p1.gunbroker.com/pics/892111000/892111597/pix052781956.jpg https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/402308004874_/1990-GLOCK-Pistol-Police-Law-Enforcement-Anchorage-Alaska.jpg               
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Posted: 2/26/2021 5:05:38 PM EDT
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Nice. Here are a few strange mainstream news articles from the late '80s.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1987-07-11-8702280852-story.html July 11, 1987 MIAMI -- Police officers will patrol the streets this fall armed with new, state-of-the-art semi-automatic pistols similar to the high-powered weapons used by criminals on Miami Vice, a police spokesman said on Friday. City commissioners approved a request on Thursday from City Manager Cesar Odio and Police Chief Clarence Dickson for $374,000 to buy 1,100 9mm Glock semi-automatic pistols with 17-round clips, ammunition and spare parts. The $374,000 also covers ammunition and spare parts, officials said. The Glock was chosen for a number of reasons, but primarily because "the bigger the gun, the bigger the ego," said Reginald Roundtree, a police spokesman. "Drug dealers don't have little egos, so they don't have little guns," he said. "Officers are finally going to achieve the psychological positiveness of having a weapon comparable to what they're running into on the streets," Roundtree said. "These guns definitely will pay for themselves in the long- run. The Glocks will replace the Smith & Wesson .38-caliber revolvers now in use, Roundtree said. The new weapons will be available this fall, he said. A six-month experiment determined the Glock to be "reliable, accurate and very fine," said City Commissioner J. L. Plummer. Twenty-five guns were used during the trial period, he said. The Miami Police Training Unit conducted the test of the new generation of weapons, Roundtree said. Purchase of the guns will be financed with money from an old bond issue, officials said. Each weapon will cost between $400 and $500, officials said. The Glock was picked because of the weapons criminals are now using. The gun has the firepower of a .357 Magnum, Roundtree said. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1989/04/08/new-dc-police-pistol-gets-poor-safety-marks/4223a020-9769-44c7-a3b6-5e1d16e9a8b9/ April 8, 1989 The safety of the new semiautomatic pistol purchased recently by D.C. police is being questioned by the FBI and some other law enforcement agencies, which have ruled out its use because of fears of accidental shootings. The Glock 17, which D.C. police officers began carrying last month, was one of two 9mm pistols that received the lowest safety rating in an internal FBI report that characterized the gun as having a "high potential for unintentional shots," according to a copy of the report. In addition, at least three law enforcement agencies in Florida recently barred its use after two suspects were fatally wounded in what were described as accidental police shootings involving the Glock. In the District, a police officer assigned to the armorer's office -- the department charged with servicing police weapons -- accidentally shot himself in the hand. And a Drug Enforcement Administration agent had a similar accident last month at the FBI's training ground in Quantico, according to sources . . . |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 6:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice. Here are a few strange mainstream news articles from the late '80s. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1987-07-11-8702280852-story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1989/04/08/new-dc-police-pistol-gets-poor-safety-marks/4223a020-9769-44c7-a3b6-5e1d16e9a8b9/ The DC related article speaks exactly what the issue was. Training. The FBI, DEA, etc... they didn't want to put the time into training and blamed the tool. Just like what happened with the FBI Miami Shootout. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 6:11:52 PM EDT
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So when I first heard much about Glocks I was pretty new to shooting and unfortunately I listened to a bunch of old Fudds who convinced me "plastic pistols" were garbage. So I held off even trying one for quite long time. Today I own far more polymer framed handguns today than I do steel frame, including a couple of Glocks.
If there's anything I learned from that stupidity on my part is to not listen to the guys who hang out at the LGS. Most of them are morons. |
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Posted: 2/26/2021 6:16:44 PM EDT
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It was the best combat pistol in the world back then and it’s the best combat pistol in the world today. They were absolutely right about it being a game changer.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 7:59:59 PM EDT
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My only regret in guns is that I have purchased and carried moderj guns other than a Glock 19.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 8:04:27 PM EDT
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Man I love seeing those old articles! Good stuff.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 8:05:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was the best combat pistol in the world back then and it's the best combat pistol in the world today. They were absolutely right about it being a game changer.   |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 12:16:35 AM EDT
[#36]
I miss SOF... those were great reads... thanks for sharing
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Posted: 2/27/2021 12:48:23 AM EDT
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Outstanding articles, thanks for posting!
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Posted: 2/27/2021 12:52:09 AM EDT
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If Glock were to do a run of “retro” gen 1’s with period-correct P80 markings, for roughly normal G17 pricing...I’d buy one.
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:14:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Glock were to do a run of “retro” gen 1’s with period-correct P80 markings, for roughly normal G17 pricing...I’d buy one. Ohhhh YEAAHH -KoolAide Man |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:24:05 AM EDT
[#40]
Looks like a Mini 14 did the shooting.
Kharn |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:29:39 AM EDT
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1st Gen 17L is best Glock!
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:41:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @sparkyfender2, I never owned a Gen 1. Dad did and he flipped it for a Gen 2, and he sold that for a Gen 3, and that was flipped for a Gen 4. You can guess what happened to that one. I wished I bought my agency issued Gen 2. But at the time, I was all "why would I spend $400 on a used GLOCK when I can buy a brand new Gen 3 at $398 Blue Label prices". I started my career with a Gen 2 G17 and now I want one. The Lipsey Retro GLOCK is cool as hell. Gen 1 aesthetics with Gen 3 innards. I still have the original non-captured recoil spring and guide rod that came on the very first Gen 1 guns plus the original trigger assembly that was replaced around '90-'91. I'm going to put those parts in the retro GLOCK. My Gen 1 was a MPDC cop trade in. Well worn, but I still sold it way too cheap. Ouch. Still have a Gen 2 Glock 17, guess I'll keep it. Thinking of getting one of the Lipsey repros like yours, if they are still around. Your photo has inspired me. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:42:53 AM EDT
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I recall reading the SOF article when it came out.
It was 33 years after the US release before I bought my first example of Glock perfection. I had to replace the Gen 4 ejector with a Gen 5 model as the ejected empty cases consistently hit me in the forehead.  Other than that, it works. |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 11:52:00 AM EDT
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Popular Mechanics had a good article on the Glock many years ago. I seem to think that’s where I first learned all the details of the Glock...
Sept 91  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/27/2021 12:30:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Glock were to do a run of “retro” gen 1’s with period-correct P80 markings, for roughly normal G17 pricing...I’d buy one. They did, but they did it at a really inconvenient time when "normal G17 pricing" didn't mean what you and I think it means. |
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Posted: 2/28/2021 11:40:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They did, but they did it at a really inconvenient time when "normal G17 pricing" didn't mean what you and I think it means. LOL holy carp! I had no idea...looking through them on gunbroker now
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Posted: 2/28/2021 11:58:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL holy carp! I had no idea...looking through them on gunbroker now I traded a Rock island 1911 for mine. |
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Posted: 2/28/2021 12:23:41 PM EDT
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There may be guns that are prettier, feel better in the hand, and cost more, but if I know that I will need a handgun to defend myself or my family, it will be a Glock.
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Posted: 2/28/2021 5:55:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @OBird, MSRP for them is $650ish give or take. I traded a Rock island 1911 for mine. https://i.imgur.com/uQifiYS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/u6NSowB.jpg Soooo jelly 
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Posted: 2/28/2021 6:15:03 PM EDT
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I would really like to see a vintage article on the Glock 20.
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