Data: here's US dog fatalities going back to the 19th century. I scrolled through it and barely saw any pit bull culprits.  []

Scroll down to 2015-2018....how can anyone think that Pit Bulls are dangerous? Such cudly little guys.

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So many 'tards in this thread I'll just sit this one out.

GTFO, pics or it didn't happen

I wonder if that 1945 entry is the first recorded by a pitbull.

If so, a long history of murder and mayhem.

1987 for pit bulls was like 1986 for the Chicago Bears.

Cue

As in, cue the redneck nazi pit bull breeder apologists.

You are pushing the lefts agenda by saying that guns kill people.

A dog (with violent tendencies) does what the fuck it wants regardless of training, it has instincts that it acts on.

A gun it an inanimate tool made of metal that doesn't do shit.

Do our side a favor and don't

No matter how many times you guys say it, NO ONE is “equating pitbull to assault rifles.”

I can only assume that the derangement that causes you anti-pitbull fanatics to keep saying this, is the same derangement that plagues anti-gun fanatics.

Why the passive voice?

It was a secret event, and he didn’t have his phone.

In order:
1) Evolution does not end from the neck down, instincts in animals are real, and "socialization explains everything" is a fucking myth.
Not every attacking pitbull belongs to someone who abuses it, or someone "from the inner city trying to look tough".
Some of them are raised by normal families who did their best with a family pet. Unlike a firearm which is a tool without a mind, a dog is an animal with a mind and a will of its own.
These dogs are not a top 10 breed apparently, and yet they're far and away number 1 in bites AND fatalities. It's "radical islam" numbers that requires "feels over reals" logic to ignore.

2) We need to be able to have honest, candid discussions about what the hell we're looking at without shortcuts, or pretending pit owners in GD are expert dog handlers, when in fact they're enthusiasts at best, regardless of what they want to believe about themselves. "Oh they must have been an inner city family that abused their dog and socialized it wrong to be aggressive" is often a fact free assumption of: "I'm a good person, they weren't, that couldn't happen to me", when that may have been a normal family whose crime was living (or not living) in the "Wrong" neighborhood.
The excuse making needs to be ridiculed. It's not an example of actual thinking and deserves mockery and exposure.

3) By telling the truth and avoiding the feels-"thinking" we can arrive to the conclusion: there is something different about the instincts in a good percentage of these dogs, and this breed is not for everyone.
Legislative bans are probably inappropriate, demanding euthanizing pets is also a bit much, but I think it needs to become common knowledge that these dogs are not totally like other breeds, and they are not for everyone.
Motorcycles are dangerous, you don't "need one", but we don't ban them and we shouldn't. But motorcycle riders (over the age of 18) are not under the impression that it's super safe and "just like any other vehicle".
We should get to the same spot with the breed of peace.
At this point, social stigma is appropriate.
"they have a higher trash breed content than many other breeds"

4) Pitbull owners should know that their motorcycle that has free will of its own, is a more involved breed, and that if they leave it off leash regularly?
If it ends up on a neighbor's yard looking for trouble?
It's 60lbs of muscle and teeth that have a much higher propensity of being on a camera ripping up a cat or a kid than a golden retriever of equal size, because the breeds are different.
And because of that breeds self-earned reputation, if someone pumps it full of HST, too fucking bad. An attacking dog doesn't deserve the white knighting and cape-ing up and defenses they get here in GD.

TLDR: It is a different more involved breed with a lot of trash specimens that are dangerous, considering they're large animals with teeth and free will.
Not every pitbull incident is explained away by "muh inner cities" or "must have been secretly running a dogfighting ring"
We need to be very honest about what's going on in discussion to arrive to a better understanding of what the breed is, and probably make the breed more rare.
It should be owned by dialed-in owners who are careful around their kids, who understand that if they leave it off leash, it might not come home.

you have obviously never been around a real rott. they are one of the most dangerous breeds on earth, their are rotts in the dog fighting rings that have killed hundreds of pitbulls without a scrach

he was studying that rott, a real rott would have never accepted that pit

real pits are not for low IQ owners, responsible breeders that use them for their intended purpose do not sell unwanted animals to pet homes, they cull them.

was one of the first to import Czech dogs after the wall came down, they are essentially a totally different strain of GS.

[Average GDer looking at a Belgian Malinois] "What kinda GSD is that? Looks skinny"

This might be 90% of the story right here. I wonder if anyone's ever done a study on the link between dog attacks and socioeconomic status. I would almost be willing to bet that the majority of dog attacks in general are by dogs owned by ghetto ass red neck assholes and gangbanger types. Looking at those statistics, pit bulls didn't seem to stand out from other breeds until about the 80's, which is when they began to become really popular with gangbanging shitstain types.

One thing I've found is that dogs mirror their owners. If the owner is an asshole, then the dog is an asshole. I've actually seen asshole dogs get rehomed with chill owners, and as soon as they step across the threshold of the new house they're instantly chill. Every single mean dog I've ever known was owned by someone with serious personality disorders, without exception.

I also think jealousy has a lot to do with why dogs attack their own family members, and I've noticed that pits seem to be more prone to jealousy than some breeds. Anyone who thinks dogs don't get jealous is a freaking moron. I've had all kinds of dogs over the years, usually two at a time, and they're constantly competing for food and attention. They'll sit there and count how many treats each one has gotten, and if you don't give both the exact same number of treats the one that got less will pout. They even notice the size of the treats. They're worse than little kids.

I don't know why, but I have to always read these pit bull threads.

Everyone in my family (men and women) are cat people. Always have been. I have very little personal experience with dogs (though I love other people's dogs).

Why the pit bull threads fascinate me, I cannot say. They do sound like a HUUUUUUGE responsibility, though, especially with the reputation (earned or not?) that they have.

Sad. Terrible.

But, the parents are just as guilty, if not more than the dog itself.  They brought the worthless thing into the house.

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Did you apply your narrow definition of what a Pitbull is to Golden Retreivers and Chihuahuas as well?

Golden Retrievers and Chihuahuas bite more people, but they are a larger sample size than Pitbulls.

On a per capita basis Pitbulls bite more.

They were trying to be good parents by not smoking meth in the same room as the baby.

Did you start drinking this morning or did you actually type this response sober?

I’ve no problem believing those numbers.

Didn't even need a study to tell me that. Like I said before, every single mean dog I've ever known, without exception, was owned by someone with serious personality disorders. I've never known a "normal" person with a mean dog of any breed.

Your anecdotal experience is completely meaningless to anyone but yourself.
Too many pit bulls aren't "mean" until they are, and too many people don't realize their nanny dog is "mean" until they are chewing a child's face off.

I think there is truth to that, but a woman I know had a Corgi and bought a Pitbull puppy. She’s an excellent human being and trained both her dogs well. They grew up together.

Fast forward six years and the Corgi is now an old grumpy asshole. He lays down on the couch all day and just wants to be left alone.

One day she comes home to find blood everywhere. Streaking down the hall. On the walls. All over her couch and area rug.

Finds the Corgi’s mangled body and the Pitbull gleefully wagging its tail.

Somehow, against everyone’s advice, she ended up keeping the Pitbull. It’s been a few years, but she has been complaining recently that  noone goes to her house anymore. Can’t say I blame them.

She got upset btw when I told her the reason why.

How do you dignify this fucking logic with a response?

Pit bull owners are retards.

Half of them will agree with you, that a pit should never be left alone with a kid. And they will pretend that a properly trained and supervised pit isn't an unnecessary nuisance and liability.

The other, even dumber half, will argue that their pits are perfectly safe around kids, and post pics here of their pit with an infant or toddler.

I will say it, they should be eradicated from our society. There is no reason to keep them around.

I scrolled through all these. Saint Bernards were pretty bitey for a few years and there are no shortage of Huskys, though their recent popularity hasn't seen an uptick in maulings for whatever reason. Maybe it could be that those bred more recently were done from all companion animals and therefore the most docile of them,perhaps but just a suppositions. I don't know enough about them really.

I wouldn't actually count the one Golden Retriever "attack" as it was a result of dragging a small child by the scarf while playing,the exact same way they will do with leashes of other dogs and such.

The number of attacks that occurred after a child jumped a fence isn't shocking.I guess neither is the one where the pitbull tried jumping the fence,got its collar caught and then killed the kid who tried freeing it.

Why the passive voice?

No nooo, evolution ends from the neckdown silly!
All dogs are equal and socializing them accounts for everything.
You can socialize a golden retriever into being a guard dog.......
They have an un-earned reputation for being lousy watchdogs only because of stereotypes, and, people socialize them to into loving people and tennis balls.

Pointer puppies who have no idea to do this, and just start doing this, well that's... that's socialization..


Your herding dog that starts trying to herd other pets, it only does that because, because you told her to do it.
Ye-yeahh..

Those idiots must be doing it wrong to have that dog start herding in the absence of sheep!

So I wonder what pre-wired instinct this dog might ha-
"THAT'S DIFFERENT"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull
We are at, "San Francisco lib logic says fluffy didn't do nothing wrong" territory.
Literally.

Maybe, just maybe, due to the original design of the dog, there's a good % of them with bloodlines that still have the original hard wiring in there because they're fucking animals.
Dogs that, no matter how much you "Do it right", they do carry a higher danger risk, they are a more involved breed to own, and it's appropriate and accurate to talk about it that way.

German Shepards are just as bad if not worse about that. They kill smaller dogs on principle alone.

What is passive about it? What we did to the Indians, and what Hitler tried to do to the Jews was passive?