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Posted: 1/5/2021 3:15:18 PM EDT
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Received the smaller pin gauges. Tried it with the smallest, a .244 - still wouldn't close.

Realized something was wrong, and looked in the chamber really closely with a flashlight. The front of the chamber looked a little dark, so I got a big nylon bore brush (soft as to not wear at the actual chamber surface), put it in a cordless drill, and brushed the heck out of the chamber. Seems there was some dirt or grease at the front of the chamber that was preventing the Go gauge from seating properly.

After cleaning things better, it closes on a .252 pin and a Go gauge, but not on a .252 pin and a No Go gauge.

Seems like .252 is the locking shoulder size I need.

for those more knowledgeable with FAL shoulder sizes, is .252 something to be concerned about? From what I'm seeing this is not in the standard range and is an outlier

Looking around .252 isn't in stock anywhere and I think I'll have to custom order one from DSA. Bummer, $50 bucks and likely a bit of a wait.

Still no FCG yet. Fuck you USPS.

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Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:17:49 PM EDT
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Pic doesn't work. Edit: now it does.

How gross is it?  I had to heat mine up and use brass jawed pliers to get it loose.

As for the barrel vise, just use a Dremel to split the stub in two places and pull it off.  

You don't want to try to wrench a receiver stub off of a FAL barrel.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:18:00 PM EDT
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Did you try doing the PB blaster in between the adjustment inside and the tube?

spray and let it slide right into it ....

but I've found shooting it rapidly helped make mines easier ...

it was caked in carbon...and I just used a polishing wheel to clean it out.

Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:20:16 PM EDT
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Did you try doing the PB blaster in between the adjustment inside and the tube?

spray and let it slide right into it ....

but I've found shooting it rapidly helped make mines easier ...

it was caked in carbon...and I just used a polishing wheel to clean it out.

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Did you try doing the PB blaster in between the adjustment inside and the tube?

spray and let it slide right into it ....

but I've found shooting it rapidly helped make mines easier ...

it was caked in carbon...and I just used a polishing wheel to clean it out.



Strayed the heck out of it from all approaches.

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Pic doesn't work. Edit: now it does.

How gross is it?  I had to heat mine up and use brass jawed pliers to get it loose.


medium wear and crud. Trying to scrape what I can with a dental pick.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:20:48 PM EDT
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Use a torch/heat yet?

Otherwise you could probably just stick the barrel flats in a vise and use a receiver wrench to torque the stub off.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:23:40 PM EDT
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Use a torch/heat yet?

Otherwise you could probably just stick the barrel flats in a vise and use a receiver wrench to torque the stub off.
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Haven't tried heat yet, currently without a functioning torch.

I do have a decent heat gun, but I was thinking that wouldn't add enough heat to make a meaningful difference.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:24:31 PM EDT
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I'd have that bitch apart in 30 seconds.

Heat + spanner wrench

Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:28:14 PM EDT
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The problem is the damn little notches are not square, they are scalloped.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:31:12 PM EDT
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The problem is the damn little notches are not square, they are scalloped.
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You're cutting the stub anyway, cut the receiver away from the tube threads.  Follow where the curve meets the radius on both sides.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:33:19 PM EDT
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You're cutting the stub anyway, cut the receiver away from the tube threads.  Follow where the curve meets the radius on both sides.
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The problem is the damn little notches are not square, they are scalloped.


You're cutting the stub anyway, cut the receiver away from the tube threads.  Follow where the curve meets the radius on both sides.


That's a good thought. And if I fuck it up, it is only a $10 part
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:36:41 PM EDT
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Even if you bump the threads a little, they'll clean right up with a file.  Same as when you split the receiver from the barrel.

So long as you don't cut into the sleeve where it goes over the gas tube, you should be fine.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:43:32 PM EDT
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Don't nut in your gas tube.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:47:27 PM EDT
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Instead of turning it OUT, try turning it IN.
Even just a smidgen might help break the threads.
THEN try to turn it out.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:50:55 PM EDT
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You sure you can't get the gas tube off without it? I seem to recall you can punch out the pin from the gas block, unthread the tube, and get it off that way?

It's been forever though since I broke down a FAL that far...
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:53:26 PM EDT
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You sure you can't get the gas tube off without it? I seem to recall you can punch out the pin from the gas block, unthread the tube, and get it off that way?

It's been forever though since I broke down a FAL that far...
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Did that, the tube is unthreaded and unhooked at the gas block end. The sleeve of the nut prevents enough side to side movement to pull the tube out.

Still would need to get the nut off to either reuse it or just to get clearance for the barrel vice for removing the barrel from the stub.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:55:03 PM EDT
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You sure you can't get the gas tube off without it? I seem to recall you can punch out the pin from the gas block, unthread the tube, and get it off that way?

It's been forever though since I broke down a FAL that far...
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  Yes, did you knock the pin out?
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:55:10 PM EDT
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Heat + Spanner wrench

And post a pic of your FAL!!
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 3:57:50 PM EDT
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Try a good bottle opener.
Or like you said, just get another one.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:01:42 PM EDT
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Did that, the tube is unthreaded and unhooked at the gas block end. The sleeve of the nut prevents enough side to side movement to pull the tube out.
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You sure you can't get the gas tube off without it? I seem to recall you can punch out the pin from the gas block, unthread the tube, and get it off that way?

It's been forever though since I broke down a FAL that far...


Did that, the tube is unthreaded and unhooked at the gas block end. The sleeve of the nut prevents enough side to side movement to pull the tube out.


Gotcha, ok, thanks for refreshing my memory. Dumb question - does it have a carry handle? Or no carry handle/cut?

Maybe wiggle the carry handle around if it has one?

I vaguely recall having a similar issue and using a flathead screwdriver as a punch, and a hammer, to force the issue...
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:09:10 PM EDT
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Heat from torch and apply paraffin candle wax , and/or a 50/50 mix of acetone and trans fluid
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:16:26 PM EDT
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I'ver found using a punch and hammer works well to remove them.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:18:56 PM EDT
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Haven't tried heat yet, currently without a functioning torch.

I do have a decent heat gun, but I was thinking that wouldn't add enough heat to make a meaningful difference.
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It will make all the difference.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:22:42 PM EDT
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It’s been awhile, does that have left hand threads?
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:24:04 PM EDT
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Heat on that bit, freeze spray on the other bit
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:26:55 PM EDT
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Flat screw driver and a hammer is how I would tackle that

If you want to get fancy put electical tape on the screw driver head
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:37:26 PM EDT
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It will make all the difference.
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Haven't tried heat yet, currently without a functioning torch.

I do have a decent heat gun, but I was thinking that wouldn't add enough heat to make a meaningful difference.


It will make all the difference.


And it did! I hadn't tried it since it seemed so feeble compared to a proper torch. Heated it until the grease started to smoke, and gave a good twist with the vice grips.

Also threatened it a bit.

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Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:41:26 PM EDT
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Good deal. Now, do you have a proper barrel vise and receiver wrench?
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:43:44 PM EDT
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yup, have everything I need except time to really get down to it. Next up is getting the barrel off the stub then really cleaning everything. lots of grease and dirt in random nooks and crannies still.

vice and wrench from faltools
pin gauge set
Go / No Go set
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:46:57 PM EDT
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Pro tip: put the hand guard retaining ring on your barrel now so you don’t forget to install it when you time your barrel.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:47:32 PM EDT
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yup, have everything I need except time to really get down to it.

vice and wrench from faltools
pin gauge set
Go / No Go set
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Good deal. Now, do you have a proper barrel vise and receiver wrench?


yup, have everything I need except time to really get down to it.

vice and wrench from faltools
pin gauge set
Go / No Go set

Will you be using alignment rods for the barrel timing?
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:52:47 PM EDT
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I humbly request that the OP makes this a build thread.

I just ordered a kit so I am looking for pointers lol
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 4:54:58 PM EDT
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Will you be using alignment rods for the barrel timing?


right now I'm thinking I'll see what I can do on my own before buying some.

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I humbly request that the OP makes this a build thread.

I just ordered a kit so I am looking for pointers lol


I might, though this is probably going to stretch over a month or two as I'll be doing things a little at a time. Maybe an after action thread would work better.

@redfox1911 where'd you order the kit from? now that I have the tools, I might want to build a couple of these.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 5:08:41 PM EDT
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right now I'm thinking I'll see what I can do on my own before buying some.
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Will you be using alignment rods for the barrel timing?


right now I'm thinking I'll see what I can do on my own before buying some.

It should be pretty easy to mock something up if needed.

ARS uses a rod that threads into the front sight base, and you then use a horizontal level on the receiver and a vertical level on the alignment rod.

https://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/product/fal-l1a1-timing-rod/

A piece of rigid tubing with an ID that fits snugly over the front sight post should serve the same purpose, though not as precise.
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 5:18:14 PM EDT
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I clamp the receiver stub and use a brass punch...easy.
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yup, have everything I need except time to really get down to it. Next up is getting the barrel off the stub then really cleaning everything. lots of grease and dirt in random nooks and crannies still.

vice and wrench from faltools
pin gauge set
Go / No Go set
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Good deal. If you hit any snags PM me if you'd like. I've built "a few."
Link Posted: 1/5/2021 5:40:01 PM EDT
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right now I'm thinking I'll see what I can do on my own before buying some.



I might, though this is probably going to stretch over a month or two as I'll be doing things a little at a time. Maybe an after action thread would work better.

@redfox1911 where'd you order the kit from? now that I have the tools, I might want to build a couple of these.
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There is a guy on gunbroker selling some imbel kits for $580. (parts kit depot or just search "FAL kit")  The one I snagged to appeared to have a non bipod cut handguard.

I am still trying to decide on a receiver. Either type 2 cast DSA or type 2 forged R1 DSA
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 3:52:47 PM EDT
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bumpy bumpy, tiny bit of new progress made and in OP
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 6:02:42 PM EDT
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Test (dns alive again?)
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 11:03:59 AM EDT
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bump, new question in OP.
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 11:12:55 AM EDT
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Got a weight and a string? Make a plumb bob?

Make sure the receiver is level, hang the plumb bob, and use that as your guide for measuring whether the front sight is TDC or not?
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 11:18:11 AM EDT
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Got a weight and a string? Make a plumb bob?

Make sure the receiver is level, hang the plumb bob, and use that as your guide for measuring whether the front sight is TDC or not?
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That's not a bad thought, though I think I like the bore laser idea more as if there isn't any flaw to it, I put the tools away knowing for sure I can zero it.

That might be a good plan B
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 11:30:27 AM EDT
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tried torqueing the barrel, and it came up short. at 100 on the torque wrench, my guess is I am about 15 degrees short. Will need to shave the barrel shoulder.
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Make sure it isn't the breach face hitting the receiver.

Quoted:my attempts at improvised rods to visualize barrel timing did not work well. If I had been able to get it closer to correctly timed, I don't think I would have been accurate enough.

I don't want to buy rods, so I came up with an alternate idea.

The real test of if a barrel is correctly oriented is if the gun can be zeroed. So I'm thinking rather than spend $40+ on rods, I use the cheap ass 308 bore laser I already have. When I think I have it close, slip the lower housing (which has the rear sight) on, slide the laser into the chamber, and see if my sights come close to lining up with the dot.

Is there any downside or flaw to this I'm missing? seems like it would be more accurate and avoid buying another tool


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Should work fine.  I use a crappy level on the receiver rails and then the sight ears.  You don't have to get it perfect.  It's more important that the gas piston drops freely through.
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 12:12:21 PM EDT
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That's not a bad thought, though I think I like the bore laser idea more as if there isn't any flaw to it, I put the tools away knowing for sure I can zero it.

That might be a good plan B
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Got a weight and a string? Make a plumb bob?

Make sure the receiver is level, hang the plumb bob, and use that as your guide for measuring whether the front sight is TDC or not?


That's not a bad thought, though I think I like the bore laser idea more as if there isn't any flaw to it, I put the tools away knowing for sure I can zero it.

That might be a good plan B


Well, don't forget...bullets travel in an arc, light does not. What's the typical zero distance of a FAL, 50+ meters or something like that?

With a plumb bob, you can tell if it's leveled up immediately. With a laser bore sighter, you're constantly moving back and forth to check zero, etc. I'm assuming you've checked FalFiles for ideas, too, as well as the other older hits on google, circa 2003 or so...when the FAL heyday was going strong? Like this one, etc...
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Make sure it isn't the breach face hitting the receiver.



Should work fine.  I use a crappy level on the receiver rails and then the sight ears.  You don't have to get it perfect.  It's more important that the gas piston drops freely through.
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Make sure it isn't the breach face hitting the receiver.



Should work fine.  I use a crappy level on the receiver rails and then the sight ears.  You don't have to get it perfect.  It's more important that the gas piston drops freely through.


pretty sure the contact is on the shoulder. Checked with a feeler gauge (yay roller delay bolt gap check tools) and couldn't find a gap. Also read several places that its pretty normal to have to do some trimming / filing with new DSA receivers and surplus barrels.

Good reminder on the gas piston, not many guides talk about that much. I'll be sure to test that too.

Monday will probably be my next day to spend time on this.

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Well, don't forget...bullets travel in an arc, light does not. What's the typical zero distance of a FAL, 50+ meters or something like that?

With a plumb bob, you can tell if it's leveled up immediately. With a laser bore sighter, you're constantly moving back and forth to check zero, etc. I'm assuming you've checked FalFiles for ideas, too, as well as the other older hits on google, circa 2003 or so...when the FAL heyday was going strong? Like this one, etc...


I'd just be looking at left/right with the laser, not actually trying to zero. That's for later.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 4:57:55 PM EDT
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You don't need special rods - a cleaning rod shoved through the gas block and another cleaning rod held on top of the receiver are all you need.

The rods should line up on the same plane when you have the barrel installed properly.
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 5:02:18 PM EDT
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You don't need special rods - a cleaning rod shoved through the gas block and another cleaning rod held on top of the receiver are all you need.

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This

I used just some random rod that fit where I needed them.

Pic of two I built for inspiration....

Link Posted: 1/17/2021 8:37:16 PM EDT
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Bump with update in OP. coming along nicely
Link Posted: 1/17/2021 11:57:33 PM EDT
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I built a few FAL's back in the day when FALfiles was still hot.  Only had trouble with the Imbel Type 3 receiver on a Rhodie kit.  Didn't time right, had to use a sanding disk to get the shoulders low enough.  Worked great.

However, looking at your block and wrench, I think you weren't timed right.  Arizonaresponsesystems.com has some good pictures that shows where you want that barrel shoulder at.  Squinting from your picture, it looks to me like you were quite a bit off.
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I built a few FAL's back in the day when FALfiles was still hot.  Only had trouble with the Imbel Type 3 receiver on a Rhodie kit.  Didn't time right, had to use a sanding disk to get the shoulders low enough.  Worked great.

However, looking at your block and wrench, I think you weren't timed right.  Arizonaresponsesystems.com has some good pictures that shows where you want that barrel shoulder at.  Squinting from your picture, it looks to me like you were quite a bit off.
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Yup, it was stopping quite a bit early. Sandpaper only and I'd have been at it for days.

Got it though, and torqued to 110.
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 3:37:11 PM EDT
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What is your plan for hammer, trigger, and sear? DSA has been out of stock for the past few months. Those are the only parts I need to complete my kit.

Also patiently waiting for Faltools to get their tools back in stock so I can DIY instead of ending off to ARS.
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