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Posted: 11/19/2023 12:30:07 PM EST
 Electric Car Explosions Worldwide |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:05:52 PM EST
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Good information
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:07:26 PM EST
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So, how many more carbon credits do you have to buy to offset one EV fire?
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USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:15:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dopple: So, how many more carbon credits do you have to buy to offset one EV fire? None, no carbon involved in the battery fire. 4 L i + O 2 → 2 L i 2 O, plus carbon credits are a scam. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:21:59 PM EST
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Never happened to a ICE vehicle.
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:26:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: Mars87]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:31:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: Swampgrass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate to which EVs do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate to which EVs do. I forgot the manufacturer but a year or two ago there was a recall stating don't park your ICE vehicle in the garage because the car was catching on fire while you were sleeping. Sweet dreams. But we don't talk about those things. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:32:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. We also ignore the fact that ICE car fires can be extinguished much easier than EV cars. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:33:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moon-Watcher: We also ignore the fact that ICE car fires can be extinguished much easier than EV cars. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moon-Watcher: Originally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. We also ignore the fact that ICE car fires can be extinguished much easier than EV cars. Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer no fire at all. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:35:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Would be interesting to see any statistics on that. I've never had an ICE catch fire. I have had a li-po battery randomly burst into flames on my bed and burn a hole in my mattress. At the time It was not even connected to anything. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:36:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. There's a bunch of poor information on both sides. The blower motor on your pickup letting out the smoke is hardly equivalent to the battery in your tesla going into thermal runaway in the garage beneath your kids room at 1am. ICE vehicles might have fires at a similar rate, but they don't turn into class delta fires either. Some jurisdictions are pouring sand over burning EVs, some are picking the entire vehicle up and submersing them in water. Even after all that, the fire can reignite hours or even days later. My wife drives an EV for her daily but I'm not going to sugar coat the risks. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:40:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloviator: There's a bunch of poor information on both sides. The blower motor on your pickup letting out the smoke is hardly equivalent to the battery in your tesla going into thermal runaway in the garage beneath your kids room at 1am. ICE vehicles might have fires at a similar rate, but they don't turn into class delta fires either. Some jurisdictions are pouring sand over burning EVs, some are picking the entire vehicle up and submersing them in water. Even after all that, the fire can reignite hours or even days later. My wife drives an EV for her daily but I'm not going to sugar coat the risks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloviator: Originally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. There's a bunch of poor information on both sides. The blower motor on your pickup letting out the smoke is hardly equivalent to the battery in your tesla going into thermal runaway in the garage beneath your kids room at 1am. ICE vehicles might have fires at a similar rate, but they don't turn into class delta fires either. Some jurisdictions are pouring sand over burning EVs, some are picking the entire vehicle up and submersing them in water. Even after all that, the fire can reignite hours or even days later. My wife drives an EV for her daily but I'm not going to sugar coat the risks. Don't park in you garage That's hot This is also hot. Hot as well. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:47:42 PM EST
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EV THREAD BOIS
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:57:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Gasoline is so much safer... 
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Posted: 11/19/2023 3:58:29 PM EST
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Yet another reason to fill your garage full of crap!
Don't look at what 30 gallons of gasoline will do in a fire. 
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Posted: 11/19/2023 4:14:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryArguably yeah. I'm not anti-EV, but I'd rather have a can of Gas in my hand than a bulging Lithium battery. Lithium fires suck.
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Posted: 11/19/2023 4:24:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 4:33:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: Scoobysmak]
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Quote HistoryYou pointed out two manufacturing defects. There are places where ALL EV's and Hybrids are banned from parking in a parking garage. What do they have in common  I am not totally against EV's, in some places they probably really help* but just like others pointed out you need to take the sugar coating off and look what your really getting. Might as well put a poll on this thread. Which would you park in your attached garage (unless specified)....? Gas vehicle only Gas and Hybrid only Park any vehicle.....but in unattached garage. I would park any vehicle in my garage. I probably would park an EV or hybrid in a separate garage not attached to my house...and made of metal...... *ETA to clarify this really help part.... Really help is not environmentally help, just helps the person that bought it. If you are making really short trips and if especially if the speeds are low probably will have less maintenance than a regular ICE vehicle. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 4:35:28 PM EST
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 I-Team: Mystery surrounds Jeep Wrangler fires |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 4:36:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By victorgonzales: This is true but they don't do it in the garage while you are not driving. I'm not anti electric but there's no way in hell I'd park one in my garage or charge in garage. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By victorgonzales: Originally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Really, what's that say ? Park me in the garage so I'm warm. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 4:37:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scoobysmak: I probably would park an EV or hybrid in a separate garage not attached to my house...and made of metal...... |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 4:42:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Shit I don't even know about that. If they start off gassing and it touches off, it's more or less a bomb. I wouldn't necessarily want metal chunks exploding. I've seen them take garage doors off. If it is going to "explodie" it doesn't matter really the material. I mean a 2x4 hitting you at 870 mph is just as deadly as the metal, at least the remanence mostly likely won't be on fire. Many metal garages have thin sheet metal on the outside, would rip like a bad can opener. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 4:43:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: victorgonzales]
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Quote HistoryNotice they recall and fix the issue on ice? They gonna recall and convert all the electric cars to ice? It is very rare for an ice vehicle to catch fire parked. When an electric catches fire it's as likely to do so while charging if cells are damaged. It's just the reality of lithium cells. Electric cars are great for some people. Parking and charging them in your garage is just a risk you shouldn't take. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 4:43:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: Originally Posted By victorgonzales: Originally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Really, what's that say ? Park me in the garage so I'm warm. Do any Kia or Hyundai ownera even have garages? Hopefully the repo lots got this notice, they might have a garage. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 4:46:09 PM EST
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Yeah with regard to ICE vehicles catching fire, the thing there is 99% are not accidents or some flaw in the vehicle, it's because dumbasses that run a power wire un-fused straight from the battery to some accessory or another.
Seen a guy one time ran one like that, couldn't figure out how to get through the firewall so he ran in outta the corner of his hood and through the drivers side door, under the carpet and into the trunk, and connected it to an amp that he had screwed to the floor and thus into the gas tank underneath it. Also, guys that wrapped blown fuses with tinfoil back in the day made for much hilarity. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 4:49:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: EV THREAD BOIS 
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:05:21 PM EST
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The fun thing with media is people get to believe whatever they want.
Like when msm posts a story about a kid accessing a parents firearm and killing themselves..... Thousands of people get outraged over something that's relatively uncommon. Then a vehicle catches on fire, and likewise people assume that all EVs are ticking time bombs. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:06:49 PM EST
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Not ready for prime time.
They are rolling fire bombs looking for a place to happen. Dangerous and should be shut down. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:07:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scoobysmak: You pointed out two manufacturing defects. There are places where ALL EV's and Hybrids are banned from parking in a parking garage. What do they have in common I am not totally against EV's, in some places they probably really help* but just like others pointed out you need to take the sugar coating off and look what your really getting. Might as well put a poll on this thread. Which would you park in your attached garage (unless specified)....? Gas vehicle only Gas and Hybrid only Park any vehicle.....but in unattached garage. I would park any vehicle in my garage. I probably would park an EV or hybrid in a separate garage not attached to my house...and made of metal...... *ETA to clarify this really help part.... Really help is not environmentally help, just helps the person that bought it. If you are making really short trips and if especially if the speeds are low probably will have less maintenance than a regular ICE vehicle. Do you support ccw holders being banned from carrying guns in certain areas? Same thing, man on the TV or the internet posts a story people have a knee-jerk reaction. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:11:48 PM EST
[#29]
Interesting video. That guy is like the active self defense channel of firefighting.
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:16:10 PM EST
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Doesn't matter, the Greens will still force the world into them.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:21:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Show us the statistics on that. There's approximately 1.4 billion ICE cars in the world, and 26 million EVs. |
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DE, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:36:58 PM EST
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I don’t have an ev….. yet. What got me on the bandwagon was the arguments against it are stupid.
My son in laws brother was stranded because of an ev. Yeah because I don’t see ice vehicles on the side of the road. I searched all over the world and found to ev cars exploding. Article says don’t park ice vehicle in garage because it will ignite just sitting. Someone responds but they don’t ignite just sitting. I mean, really? |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:39:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloviator: There's a bunch of poor information on both sides. The blower motor on your pickup letting out the smoke is hardly equivalent to the battery in your tesla going into thermal runaway in the garage beneath your kids room at 1am. ICE vehicles might have fires at a similar rate, but they don't turn into class delta fires either. Some jurisdictions are pouring sand over burning EVs, some are picking the entire vehicle up and submersing them in water. Even after all that, the fire can reignite hours or even days later. My wife drives an EV for her daily but I'm not going to sugar coat the risks. Is it parked outside away from the house and other vehicles? If not, why? |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:41:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By victorgonzales: This is true but they don't do it in the garage while you are not driving. I'm not anti electric but there's no way in hell I'd park one in my garage or charge in garage. Look at the Ford cruise/ brake switch recall from about 18 years ago. They do indeed catch on fire while parked overnight. Happened to a friend of mine. He was lucky that it was nice and he decided to leave his truck in the driveway. It burned to the ground. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:45:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloviator: Do any Kia or Hyundai ownera even have garages? Hopefully the repo lots got this notice, they might have a garage. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bloviator: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Originally Posted By victorgonzales: Originally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Really, what's that say ? Park me in the garage so I'm warm. Do any Kia or Hyundai ownera even have garages? Hopefully the repo lots got this notice, they might have a garage. Hopefully Ford does as well. Smells like burning rubber. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:46:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Per units sold or total number per year? |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:47:57 PM EST
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:55:35 PM EST
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The video the OP links doesn't give any real statistical data on fires among EV's. In other words here are some important parameters to include in any analysis of EV fires:
1. What brands of TVs caught fire? 2. Where was the vehicle when the fire initiated? 3. What was the vehicle doing when the fire initiated? (Charging, moving down road, parked and not charging, etc.) I am not a big fan of EV's, but if you study the limited collated data on EV fires, you will find that a disproportionate number of them are occurring in CHINESE BRANDS. (Like that would be a surprise to anyone who knows even a shred of information by the concept of product safety in the Chinese world.) Until someone has a compendium of some of the data I suggested above, I am not going to rush out and say that all EV's are rolling road flares, at least not among those here in the US. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 5:57:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scoobysmak: If it is going to "explodie" it doesn't matter really the material. I mean a 2x4 hitting you at 870 mph is just as deadly as the metal, at least the remanence mostly likely won't be on fire. Many metal garages have thin sheet metal on the outside, would rip like a bad can opener. .Flaming Lithium In the SKY. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 6:07:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: Sandbowl1980]
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What's the ratio of ICE vs. EV vehicles.
Also, it's not just EVs that cause fires. Practically everything that uses lithium batteries has. Those hoverboards are a prime example, I do not charge anything at night and would never park an EV in or under my home. I can count on three fingers the number of house fires I've been on because of an ICE car catching fire just sitting in the garage and even then they were suspicious. Now I've run calls because people were working on ICE cars in a garage, and it caught fire because of something the owner did. But even then, it was so few I couldn't remember. I retire this year. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 6:18:00 PM EST
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Don't give a shit one way or the other. Don't own an EV and don't plan on it. Also don't plan on being involved in fiery crash or garage inferno involving an ICE vehicle. When the percentage of EV's vs ICE reverses, then we can discuss these trends. Won't get there in my lifetime.
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Posted: 11/19/2023 6:22:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 6:25:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dopple: So, how many more carbon credits do you have to buy to offset one EV fire? Your children yet to be born start out with a negative balance.
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Posted: 11/19/2023 6:36:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLookingGlass: Would be interesting to see any statistics on that. I've never had an ICE catch fire. I have had a li-po battery randomly burst into flames on my bed and burn a hole in my mattress. At the time It was not even connected to anything. Maintained ICE cars are EXTREMELY unlikely to catch fire, especially fully involved type fires. Brand new, off the production line EVs spontaneous ignite and burn at 2000 degrees. Watch the "just rolled in" / Customer States videos on what mechanics see. Imagine when EVs are in the hands of the type of people that refuse repairs on oil leaks onto exhaust manifolds. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 6:39:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Arguably yeah. I'm not anti-EV, but I'd rather have a can of Gas in my hand than a bulging Lithium battery. Lithium fires suck. Exactly. Gasoline does not contain its own oxidizer. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 6:55:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: Foxtrot08]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Never happened to a ICE vehicle. In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. 2 billion ~ish ICE cars in the world. 18 million ~ish EV cars in the world. Law of numbers and all. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 7:09:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AZJeff: The video the OP links doesn't give any real statistical data on fires among EV's. In other words here are some important parameters to include in any analysis of EV fires: 1. What brands of TVs caught fire? 2. Where was the vehicle when the fire initiated? 3. What was the vehicle doing when the fire initiated? (Charging, moving down road, parked and not charging, etc.) I am not a big fan of EV's, but if you study the limited collated data on EV fires, you will find that a disproportionate number of them are occurring in CHINESE BRANDS. (Like that would be a surprise to anyone who knows even a shred of information by the concept of product safety in the Chinese world.) Until someone has a compendium of some of the data I suggested above, I am not going to rush out and say that all EV's are rolling road flares, at least not among those here in the US. I believe it is the batteries and not the cars themselves that are dangerous but honestly, that is pure conjecture on my part. The flipside is, are there any non-Chinese batteries in EVs? |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 7:19:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RV8guy: Per units sold or total number per year? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RV8guy: Originally Posted By Mars87: In GD we ignore the fact ICE catches fire at a significantly higher rate than EVs do. Per units sold or total number per year? And lets factor in age of the vehicles and mileage on the odometer of each vehicle. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 8:08:31 PM EST
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Should just switch to diesel. Much safer than gasoline and EVs.
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Posted: 11/19/2023 8:25:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: realwar]
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