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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:16:00 PM EDT
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This along with new nuclear power plants and gas powered cars will be gone pretty soon.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:18:24 PM EDT
[#2]
Small batteries............
The heat generated by a mass of batteries is going to burn a lot of shit down. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:18:48 PM EDT
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StoreDot's fast-charging component can be fully charged in five minutes, and then it partially charges the lithium-ion battery at a conventional rate. Fully-charging the lithium-ion battery requires multiple charging cycles of the fast-charging component. StoreDot batteries deliver about a third of the energy density compared to competing lithium batteries and are estimated to cost twice that of competing lithium batteries.
Smells like a pump and dump Current battery technology has terrible energy density already.... |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:18:50 PM EDT
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Ok. Great. Once proven...? Waiting to see it actually work for a few thousand recharges in real world environments.
Time will tell. Until then.. it’s more fluff. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:20:36 PM EDT
[#5]
Batteries will work 100 times and then be trash.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:20:40 PM EDT
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I don’t trust a lot of what Israel says announcing things like this.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:21:00 PM EDT
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Just don't put BREAKING in your title.............
TECHNOLOGY Mercedes owner Daimler drives electric truck push with multi-million dollar investment in StoreDot Mercedes-Benz owner Daimler has invested millions in an Israeli start-up whose battery technology can charge electric vehicles in a matter of minutes. Tel-Aviv-based StoreDot announced Thursday ... Ryan Browne 9/14/2017 5:30:00 AM Link |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:21:10 PM EDT
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Personally, I'm down with it if we go with modern nuclear for the electricity. Having adequate run time and getting rid of how long charging takes would relegate ICE technology to racing and RV use.
Electric torque is very attractive. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:21:19 PM EDT
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Have to charge those batteries somehow...there isn't enough solar panels or wind turbines in the world to do that if even 20% of vehicles on the road are pure electric.
That electricity has to come from somewhere. Only economically or scientifically viable power source is Nuclear. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:21:26 PM EDT
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It’s probably on the radar at work.
I’ll bring it up to the on site EV engineers tomorrow. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:23:45 PM EDT
[#11]
Why cant we just make a stupid diesel-electric car; simple and very efficient. Run a small diesel or natural gas engine to re-charge a battery.
Boom. done. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:25:01 PM EDT
[#12]
Lithium? Isn't mining that doing huge environmental damages?
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:26:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/storedot-one-step-closer-to-eliminating-ev-charging--range-anxiety-with-launch-of-first-ever-5-minute-charge-li-ion-battery-samples-301210213.html?source=content_type%3Areact%7Cfirst_level_url%3Anews%7Csection%3Amain_content%7Cbutton%3Abody_link - Milestone announcement proves the commercial viability of StoreDot's extreme fast charging battery technology utilizing nano-scale metalloids and proprietary compounds - Sample availability provides major proof point of StoreDot's ability to scale its technology within existing lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery manufacturing lines for mass production - Launch paves the way for the introduction of StoreDot's second-generation, silicon-dominant prototype battery for electric vehicles later this year 5 minute EV charging Well here you go anti EV tards |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:28:35 PM EDT
[#14]
two more weeks ?
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:28:39 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lithium? Isn't mining that doing huge environmental damages? ...But it is for the CHILDREN!!!!! 
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:35:12 PM EDT
[#16]
Hey I'm all for better batteries.
I just know with current lithium technologies you can charge them pretty fast but the faster you charge them the worse it is for them. Maybe they fixed it. It says the new technology helps. But just because you can charge them super fast doesn't mean anything if you're killing the cells faster too. Next issue would be getting all that power into the batteries in such a short amount of time. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:40:05 PM EDT
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OP, main stream electric vehicles are still a pipe dream. The technology needs to prove itself first and it hasn’t done that yet.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:41:53 PM EDT
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Ship Stones?
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:45:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why cant we just make a stupid diesel-electric car; simple and very efficient. Run a small diesel or natural gas engine to re-charge a battery. Boom. done. Because it's a more complicated solution than the direction we are headed. EVs don't need a break through at this point. They just need a few more marginal improvements on cost, range, and charging the. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:46:05 PM EDT
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There is a way to keep these electric vehicle batteries well charged for very long periods and not have to use a cable either. Just put a gas engine with a generator in there and run it at a high RPM. Problem solved.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:47:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/storedot-one-step-closer-to-eliminating-ev-charging--range-anxiety-with-launch-of-first-ever-5-minute-charge-li-ion-battery-samples-301210213.html?source=content_type%3Areact%7Cfirst_level_url%3Anews%7Csection%3Amain_content%7Cbutton%3Abody_link - Milestone announcement proves the commercial viability of StoreDot's extreme fast charging battery technology utilizing nano-scale metalloids and proprietary compounds - Sample availability provides major proof point of StoreDot's ability to scale its technology within existing lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery manufacturing lines for mass production - Launch paves the way for the introduction of StoreDot's second-generation, silicon-dominant prototype battery for electric vehicles later this year 5 minute EV charging Well here you go anti EV tards I love how journalists can throw out misleading stats and uneducated idiots like OP eat it up. A Model S has a 85 kWh battery. Even if the battery could be charged in 5 mins, it would mean your charger would have to be able to put out 1 million watts  Nevermind the thermal management. Please educate yourself.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:47:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: StoreDot's fast-charging component can be fully charged in five minutes, and then it partially charges the lithium-ion battery at a conventional rate. Fully-charging the lithium-ion battery requires multiple charging cycles of the fast-charging component. StoreDot batteries deliver about a third of the energy density compared to competing lithium batteries and are estimated to cost twice that of competing lithium batteries. Smells like a pump and dump Current battery technology has terrible energy density already.... |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:49:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/storedot-one-step-closer-to-eliminating-ev-charging--range-anxiety-with-launch-of-first-ever-5-minute-charge-li-ion-battery-samples-301210213.html?source=content_type%3Areact%7Cfirst_level_url%3Anews%7Csection%3Amain_content%7Cbutton%3Abody_link - Milestone announcement proves the commercial viability of StoreDot's extreme fast charging battery technology utilizing nano-scale metalloids and proprietary compounds - Sample availability provides major proof point of StoreDot's ability to scale its technology within existing lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery manufacturing lines for mass production - Launch paves the way for the introduction of StoreDot's second-generation, silicon-dominant prototype battery for electric vehicles later this year 5 minute EV charging Well here you go anti EV tards Lol, no. ICE/Battery hybrids is still the way to go. This binary nonsense is like cutting your dick off because you don't like getting it in the ass. Beyond illogical. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:49:44 PM EDT
[#24]
Are these the same Jews that cured cancer earlier this year?
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:51:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because it's a more complicated solution than the direction we are headed. EVs don't need a break through at this point. They just need a few more marginal improvements on cost, range, and charging the. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why cant we just make a stupid diesel-electric car; simple and very efficient. Run a small diesel or natural gas engine to re-charge a battery. Boom. done. Because it's a more complicated solution than the direction we are headed. EVs don't need a break through at this point. They just need a few more marginal improvements on cost, range, and charging the. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:52:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have to charge those batteries somehow...there isn't enough solar panels or wind turbines in the world to do that if even 20% of vehicles on the road are pure electric. That electricity has to come from somewhere. Only economically or scientifically viable power source is Nuclear. I'm more concerned about the infrastructure needed to dump energy at that rate. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:54:23 PM EDT
[#27]
A 5 minute charge will change the game.
Now find me a new EV that isn't connected to the internet. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:56:11 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A 5 minute charge will change the game. Now find me a new EV that isn't connected to the internet. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:58:32 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey I'm all for better batteries. I just know with current lithium technologies you can charge them pretty fast but the faster you charge them the worse it is for them. Maybe they fixed it. It says the new technology helps. But just because you can charge them super fast doesn't mean anything if you're killing the cells faster too. Next issue would be getting all that power into the batteries in such a short amount of time. From what I've heard of battery advances graphene was being used to stop crystal formation in fast charging applications making the fast charge not damage them. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:01:05 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: StoreDot's fast-charging component can be fully charged in five minutes, and then it partially charges the lithium-ion battery at a conventional rate. Fully-charging the lithium-ion battery requires multiple charging cycles of the fast-charging component. StoreDot batteries deliver about a third of the energy density compared to competing lithium batteries and are estimated to cost twice that of competing lithium batteries. Smells like a pump and dump Current battery technology has terrible energy density already.... And there it is. Less range and twice the cost. Charging an EV battery in 5 minutes would draw a ton of current, making it more difficult to set up the requisite chargers all over the place. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:01:10 PM EDT
[#31]
The free market will determine when electric cars are ready for common use. If EV's get cheap enough & you can drive them long enough, then recharge them quick enough, the public will want to buy them, but right now they have a long way to go (and we don't have the electric generation & distribution infrastructure to support them).
Government intervention by artificially causing the price of fossil fuels to rise & at the same time artificially lowering the price of electric vehicles will lead to nothing but a huge failure! |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:01:20 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The amount of access Tesla has to "your" vehicle and the amount of information they collect from you is super fucked up. I agree. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:04:02 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This along with new nuclear power plants and gas powered cars will be gone pretty soon. You think nuke plants will be allowed in bidens america? Well bless your heart. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:04:26 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And there it is. Less range and twice the cost. Charging an EV battery in 5 minutes would draw a ton of current, making it more difficult to set up the requisite chargers all over the place. The good news is if it went bad....you wouldn't feel a thing. Bang *poof* |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:08:20 PM EDT
[#35]
So in layman's terms, if you jam in a bunch of electricity too fast, you get a prolapsed battery?
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:17:18 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love how journalists can throw out misleading stats and uneducated idiots like OP eat it up. A Model S has a 85 kWh battery. Even if the battery could be charged in 5 mins, it would mean your charger would have to be able to put out 1 million watts Nevermind the thermal management. Please educate yourself.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/storedot-one-step-closer-to-eliminating-ev-charging--range-anxiety-with-launch-of-first-ever-5-minute-charge-li-ion-battery-samples-301210213.html?source=content_type%3Areact%7Cfirst_level_url%3Anews%7Csection%3Amain_content%7Cbutton%3Abody_link - Milestone announcement proves the commercial viability of StoreDot's extreme fast charging battery technology utilizing nano-scale metalloids and proprietary compounds - Sample availability provides major proof point of StoreDot's ability to scale its technology within existing lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery manufacturing lines for mass production - Launch paves the way for the introduction of StoreDot's second-generation, silicon-dominant prototype battery for electric vehicles later this year 5 minute EV charging Well here you go anti EV tards I love how journalists can throw out misleading stats and uneducated idiots like OP eat it up. A Model S has a 85 kWh battery. Even if the battery could be charged in 5 mins, it would mean your charger would have to be able to put out 1 million watts Nevermind the thermal management. Please educate yourself.LoL are you serious A Tesla supercharger can charge two Tesla’s to 50% in 20mins Think about that for a second |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:18:52 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I've heard of battery advances graphene was being used to stop crystal formation in fast charging applications making the fast charge not damage them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hey I'm all for better batteries. I just know with current lithium technologies you can charge them pretty fast but the faster you charge them the worse it is for them. Maybe they fixed it. It says the new technology helps. But just because you can charge them super fast doesn't mean anything if you're killing the cells faster too. Next issue would be getting all that power into the batteries in such a short amount of time. From what I've heard of battery advances graphene was being used to stop crystal formation in fast charging applications making the fast charge not damage them. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:21:28 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The free market will determine when electric cars are ready for common use. If EV's get cheap enough & you can drive them long enough, then recharge them quick enough, the public will want to buy them, but right now they have a long way to go (and we don't have the electric generation & distribution infrastructure to support them). Government intervention by artificially causing the price of fossil fuels to rise & at the same time artificially lowering the price of electric vehicles will lead to nothing but a huge failure! |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:24:59 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LoL are you serious A Tesla supercharger can charge two Tesla's to 50% in 20mins Think about that for a second Seriously it would require something like 2/0 cable at 4600 volts and still pull 200+ amps. Its a lot of juice. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:29:29 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LoL are you serious A Tesla supercharger can charge two Tesla's to 50% in 20mins Think about that for a second Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/storedot-one-step-closer-to-eliminating-ev-charging--range-anxiety-with-launch-of-first-ever-5-minute-charge-li-ion-battery-samples-301210213.html?source=content_type%3Areact%7Cfirst_level_url%3Anews%7Csection%3Amain_content%7Cbutton%3Abody_link - Milestone announcement proves the commercial viability of StoreDot's extreme fast charging battery technology utilizing nano-scale metalloids and proprietary compounds - Sample availability provides major proof point of StoreDot's ability to scale its technology within existing lithium-ion (Li-ion) battery manufacturing lines for mass production - Launch paves the way for the introduction of StoreDot's second-generation, silicon-dominant prototype battery for electric vehicles later this year 5 minute EV charging Well here you go anti EV tards I love how journalists can throw out misleading stats and uneducated idiots like OP eat it up. A Model S has a 85 kWh battery. Even if the battery could be charged in 5 mins, it would mean your charger would have to be able to put out 1 million watts Nevermind the thermal management. Please educate yourself.LoL are you serious A Tesla supercharger can charge two Tesla's to 50% in 20mins Think about that for a second |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:40:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: StoreDot's fast-charging component can be fully charged in five minutes, and then it partially charges the lithium-ion battery at a conventional rate. Fully-charging the lithium-ion battery requires multiple charging cycles of the fast-charging component. StoreDot batteries deliver about a third of the energy density compared to competing lithium batteries and are estimated to cost twice that of competing lithium batteries. Smells like a pump and dump Current battery technology has terrible energy density already.... 
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:44:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The free market will determine when electric cars are ready for common use. If EV's get cheap enough & you can drive them long enough, then recharge them quick enough, the public will want to buy them, but right now they have a long way to go (and we don't have the electric generation & distribution infrastructure to support them). Government intervention by artificially causing the price of fossil fuels to rise & at the same time artificially lowering the price of electric vehicles will lead to nothing but a huge failure! I wish we still lived in a free market. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:52:36 PM EDT
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EVs are stupid.
Let me know when I can tow 10k pounds 400mi, then 'fill up' on battery juice in 5 minutes on any street corner....rinse and repeat for 200k miles on original equipment. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:04:13 PM EDT
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Sounds like they made a super capacitor type candidate and are using it to dump charge into and then discharge into the traditional lithium batteries at a metered rate.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:07:12 PM EDT
[#45]
Ill believe it when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:12:25 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: StoreDot's fast-charging component can be fully charged in five minutes, and then it partially charges the lithium-ion battery at a conventional rate. Fully-charging the lithium-ion battery requires multiple charging cycles of the fast-charging component. StoreDot batteries deliver about a third of the energy density compared to competing lithium batteries and are estimated to cost twice that of competing lithium batteries. Smells like a pump and dump Current battery technology has terrible energy density already.... Well, that *is* what the device does, lol It's basically a capacitor 'buffer' for the battery (and I imagine probably a tad safer than such a giant capacitor would be). It's not a bad strategy, to be honest; use this dingus to allow a practical large volume of customers through a single charging station --similar to gasoline-- but just to keep them moving, so they can get home can perform the bulk of the replenishment at the typical rate. In practice, it allows for a similar business model to liquid fuel, as far as the charging station is concerned (well, as far as number of customers, anyway; I assume the electricity still needs to be hugely overpriced & papered over by subsidy to make it worth the effort) |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:13:16 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, main stream electric vehicles are still a pipe dream. The technology needs to prove itself first and it hasn’t done that yet. No it doesn't. China (the largest battery producer) is president now. It is soon to be our only option, ready or not. We are just going to have to live with an overload of the power grid that is not anywhere near capable of handling the added load, the destruction of our fossil fuel power generation, our mandated reliance on inadequate power sources and dramatic increase in the cost per KWH of energy. Also long recharge times and the extremely challenging limitations in a heavy/commercial environment. Remember, Xiden also wants to electrify our rail infrastructure too. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:15:24 PM EDT
[#48]
Toyota should be releasing a viable solid state battery by 2030.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:19:01 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This along with new nuclear power plants and gas powered cars will be gone pretty soon. Lol. New nuclear plants |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 11:21:02 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And the dems have made it pretty clear they want to make the current way hurt enough for you to embrace the new way. If the tech worked & we had the infrastructure to support it they wouldn't have to play commie dictator games, but the tech is not there, I have a brand new nissan leaf in work that no one wants to drive because in the winter the heat wipes out the battery fast & same with the a/c in summer. + if they don't want to build nuke plants there is no way to produce the juice to replace the current IC engine vehicles. Solar & wind tech have a long way to go (if ever) to produce what is needed, we have a very dark future with these commie pricks in power. |
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