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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:40:18 PM EDT
[#1]
We had the M9 Phrobis. We kept them sharp. The arms room didn't. We did it individually.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:41:05 PM EDT
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Yeah, Infantry guys carry a bunch of their own personally bought knives. I remember an LT asking me if I had a knife, because he needed to borrow it to cut something real quick. I told him I didn't actually have a knife on me. His reply "You don't have a knife? What kind of Infantryman are you?" LOL |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:42:52 PM EDT
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The two most dangerous things in the world are an unloaded gun and a dull knife...……….  |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:43:10 PM EDT
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I don’t know about sharpening, but the previous dipshit commander sat with an etching tool and engraved his own serial number on each one. Then he had each added onto the property books by serial number. I issue all my folks sharp M-7s. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:44:27 PM EDT
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We had a Filipino transplant in our company during the parachute assault onto Omar Torrijos, Panama. He was dropped off target. He used his M9 to clip through fences and find his way back the our RP. Hardcore little joe.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:45:09 PM EDT
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A bayonet should be sharp. Back in basic (1987) in bayonet training we were told to stab into the gut and slash up. Open them up like a fish.
Can't do that with a dull M-7. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:45:10 PM EDT
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I can honestly say that the only time I used my bayonet on guard duty was to pick up trash.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:49:59 PM EDT
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They probably don't even issue bayonets anymore and if they did they aren't meant to be sharp anyway.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:54:32 PM EDT
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The M9 and the USMC bayonet come reasonably sharp from the factory
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:54:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's better than locking them in a box and taping it shut. At least he can issue them and have folks sign for them. I issue all my folks sharp M-7s. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:59:28 PM EDT
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Fuck, I inventoried my units bayos a couple weeks ago but couldn't tell you if they are sharp.
I own around 12 misc USGI bayos right now and they are in a box 6" from me I couldn't tell you if any of them are sharp. eta: I probably own, all together, around 30 bayos and I couldn't tell you if any of them are sharp. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:01:08 PM EDT
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That's with the buck and a quarter bayonet. 
http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq243u7ZuC1qm6sfao1_500.gif Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Know how I know you never had Bayonet Training ? Slash, Perry, and Butt Stroke are essential.
http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq243u7ZuC1qm6sfao1_500.gif |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:10:57 PM EDT
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mine came from ctd or spg many years ago. was dull as shit. guess i fucked up - i took it to a knife shop and got it sharpened - so sharp it cut through the packaging and almost fell out on the way home from the knife shop.
oh well i can drag it down the driveway a few times and it will be fine. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:13:17 PM EDT
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No shit, brother. What Infantryman doesn't carry a knife? |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:18:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Know how I know you never had Bayonet Training ? Slash, Perry, and Butt Stroke are essential. All the Bayonets I have ever seen the Army were sharp. Kept in the Arms Room in Germany. In the 101st it was on our gear 24/7. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:22:40 PM EDT
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If they ditched bayonet training, the IPAC kids who are busy not fixing my pay wouldn't have anything to talk about
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Posted: 3/18/2019 11:51:35 PM EDT
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A guy I work with had a son in one of the desert war zones. The son told me a couple guys in his unit carried modern tomahawks. There is a bottle opener, nail puller, backside is a hammer and of course the blade can be used as a melee weapon.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 6:15:10 AM EDT
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Things must of changed since you were in and between when I was. We never took those things to the field with us. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 7:15:55 AM EDT
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War Monger: "We can save money by just shipping these bayonets unsharpened"
War Monger's Assistant: "Yeah the units blacksmith can sharpen them after he's done making horse shoes" Investor: "What if they stop using horses?" |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 7:28:01 AM EDT
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I don’t know about sharpening, but the previous dipshit commander sat with an etching tool and engraved his own serial number on each one. Then he had each added onto the property books by serial number. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 7:35:55 AM EDT
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My son has been in the army now about 10 years ( infantryman ) and has never been issued a bayonet.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 7:37:14 AM EDT
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I think one issue with a sharpened bayonet, is the tip is far more likely to break off. Now your bayonet isn't pointy anymore.... |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 7:45:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No doubt. However, I try to study the old pre Korea stuff. The old bayonets were not designed for slashing, at least from the reference material I have read. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 7:46:02 AM EDT
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lol what. Only retards sharpen the bayo. And sharp knifes get stuck in the ribs. Its supposed to punch a ragged hole that bleeds out the victim, not fillet a fucking flounder. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 7:48:22 AM EDT
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I would think bayonets would be best used for crowd control and guarding prisoners or war these days. My only experience was using M1 Garands and bayonets mounted back in ROTC during color details and parades.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 8:01:54 AM EDT
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This. Its supposed to punch a ragged hole that bleeds out the victim, not fillet a fucking flounder. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 8:18:35 AM EDT
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Did the Bayonet Assault Course at Fort Knox back in 2003, and then we did a hundred thousand military presses with the rifles before stabbing a bunch of tires mounted on poles for an hour.
"WHAT MAKES THE GRASS GROW, MOTHERFUCKERS?" "BLOOD, BLOOD, BRIGHT RED BLOOD, DRILL SERGEANT!!!" "GO!!" "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!" *STAB, STAB, STABBITY-STAB-STAB* Good times. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 8:25:25 AM EDT
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For most of military history bayonets were issued with dull blades. Exceptions were when certain soldiers decided for whatever reason to sharpen them. As for the bayonet being obsolete line, well. One of my favorite jokes. "You must know you have a bad gun when it has a knife on the end." [I'm particularly imagining commie weapons which attached folding bayonets] "Here's a rifle that can kill a man at 200 yards, but just in case that doesn't work, ere is a little kniofe on the end to stab em with." |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 8:30:32 AM EDT
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Maybe the Russians did not either? I have a couple of laminated Russkie skss here with bayonets that were never sharpened
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Posted: 3/19/2019 8:40:36 AM EDT
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In the Gulf War I sharpened mine daily. All of that killing I did with it tended to dull it. Those burlap dummies never had shit on me.
Actually I did sharpen it all the time because cleaning my weapons and putting an edge on it was relaxing. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 8:50:07 AM EDT
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Bayonets aren’t needed. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 8:59:58 AM EDT
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Bayonets were not supposed to be sharp. Stabby stabby. Not slashy slashy. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:14:21 AM EDT
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The average soldier thinks a bayonet is a prying tool. At least 1/3 of the bayonets (M7) in my arms room had broken tips and the ratio increased every time they were issued. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think one issue with a sharpened bayonet, is the tip is far more likely to break off. Now your bayonet isn't pointy anymore.... |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:15:14 AM EDT
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Our reserve unit never issued out bayonets. Our unit was deployed to Iraq in 2004-2005, and 2006-2007. I was there the first deployment ETSd before the second, not even sure Supply even had bayonets in inventory. Other than support Commanders with weird hardon's for gear, they not really issued. It's a spendy "controlled" item that ran $100-$150 each in FEDLOG 10 years ago. If lost and found negligent, a Private forks over most of his drill check for loosing it, and with 100 or so chances of that happening, most Commands avoid that landmine. ETA- While I carried an M16A1 in Basic/AIT, we did bayonet training with A1 Rubber Ducks and an M7 IIRC. My first duty station we had M16A2's and M9 Bayo's. I can't recall seeing any others, just the M9 Phobis style, and it's regarded as a clunky POS. I carried a KBar on my right hip off my LBE belt, and always had a pocket knife of some sort. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 12:17:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:. The M7 bayonets have subtle vertical ridges that I refer to as "gizzard grabbers". |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 12:30:21 PM EDT
[#36]
Bayonets are supposed to be dull. A knife edge could get stuck in the ribcage on the way out.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 12:40:11 PM EDT
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Bayonets are supposed to be dull. A knife edge could get stuck in the ribcage on the way out. 
Hey, found this at Global Security. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-25-150/ch7.htm |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 12:46:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the M9. I'm talking about the vertical ridges that run all the way down the blade. They can be seen more clearly towards the heel at the radius in this pic: 
And down the full blade on the pics in this post: https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Help_please_from_the_Retro_heads/123-524304/ |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 12:49:07 PM EDT
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Gain access to any squared away combat deployable units armory first. Proceed to inquire with the armorer about the bayonet supply. In short order you should have a shiny new "sharp" bayonet.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 12:50:35 PM EDT
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A dull or damaged blade actually causes more damage as it leaves a ragged wound. A sharp blade leaves a cut so smooth it is easily stitched up with little scarring. I want my bayonet blade to have a damaged edge and just sharp enough to cut. If you get stuck, shoot it loose. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 1:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bayonets got a fair bit of use as I recall, during the Korean War, when Garand-wielding troops either ran out of ammo, or got overrun by wave attacks while reloading. 
In Iraq, too. 
This is interesting! 
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Posted: 3/19/2019 1:01:58 PM EDT
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"KILL KILL KILL WITH COLD BLUE STEEL" "THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF BAYONET FIGHTERS, WHAT ARE THEY?" "THE QUICK AND THE DEAD DRILL SERGEANT" "THE QUICKLY DEAD, SARGENT!" |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 1:28:31 PM EDT
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The Civil War is a war where alot of people have this perception, that guys used bayonets all the time on charges. Shelby Foote, noted Civil War historian, says that bayonet charges even in the Civil war were very rare. And that was with muzzle loaders that were the standard issue. During the ten months of Grant's overland campaign, from the Wilderness to Sayler's Creek, only some fifty bayonet wounds were treated surgically at Union army hospitals. In his Regimental Losses, Fox claims that of 250,000 Union wounded treated in hospitals, only 922 (.4 of 1%) were victims of cavalry sabers or bayonets. Most Civil War soldiers recognized the practical ineffectiveness of the bayonet. In hand-to-hand combat they preferred to use knives or wield their muskets as clubs. For most of the war, both Yanks and Rebs chose to use their bayonets as entrenching tools, tent pegs, candle holders, roasting spits, or can openers. http://clevelandcivilwarroundtable.com/articles/means/cold_steele.htm |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 1:35:50 PM EDT
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OIF 08-09 and no one was issued a bayo. Never saw them in the arms room either.
They did issue us a sweet auto blade Gerber though. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 1:46:25 PM EDT
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I would think bayonets would be best used for crowd control and guarding prisoners or war these days. My only experience was using M1 Garands and bayonets mounted back in ROTC during color details and parades. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 1:51:49 PM EDT
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We mostly use them for ceremonial duties, but they're great for keeping Japanese tourists off the grass at the royal palaces.
The AK5 doesn't come with a bayonet mount, so we use an adapter that allows for mounting the G3 bayonet. 
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Posted: 3/19/2019 1:52:45 PM EDT
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Only bayonets I have ever had were not what I would call sharp
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Posted: 3/19/2019 1:54:01 PM EDT
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In and, “WHAT MAKES THE GRASS GROW?” |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 1:57:53 PM EDT
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My Aussie friend JP Salter was mentioned in dispatches for using his during the Battle of Coral-Balmoral in Viet Nam back when he was a Second Lieutenant. He was awarded the Military Cross (the purple and white medal on on the upper left) for leading a bayonet charge among other things during that action.
Battle of Coral - Balmoral At the time he and I were hanging out in Cambodia (2007-2009), that had been the last bayonet charge in Commonwealth history. British Army then-Corporal Sean Jones of the 1st Battalion, Princess of Wales Royal Regiment now has that distinction for a charge he led in Afghanistan. (https://www.forces.net/services/army/bayonet-charge-foiled-taliban) At the time of his retirement, JP was a Colonel, and the 1 RAR CO. I had been told he had passed on from cancer about 8 years ago, but the reports of his death were actually a vicious rumour from a former business partner. He and I made contact again after I had seen a recent article about him on an Australian newspaper's website while looking up the Battle of Coral to refresh the details in my mind. He prefers a well-sharpened bayonet, by the way.
Now imagine that man at about 21 years of age, leading a bunch of guys with L1A1s and M-16s with bayonets mounted, coming at you singing "Waltzing Matilda" at the top of their lungs. JP is a treasure. He had never mentioned any of this, but I was informed by the Australian Defense Attache from their Embassy in Phnom Penh over some drinks with him and JP. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 2:07:20 PM EDT
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Bayonets are supposed to be dull. A knife edge could get stuck in the ribcage on the way out. Keep your blades sharp. |
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