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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:08:27 AM EDT
[#1]
Any question that begins with "Do you believe the US Government and Media when it comes to X" is almost certain to be a "no".
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:09:51 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or we go broke which is what happened to them in Afghanistan. Not exactly the same but if Russia can bleed us for years, as this looks to be heading, then they may get their own Reagan moment. Or maybe they are just incompetent. Unfortunately we are unwilling to make the obvious moves to protect our international and internal interests. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:11:03 AM EDT
[#3]
There's never a hero in a battle of evil
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:11:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's frustrating how inept our chief policy maker is. We're fighting a proxy war with Russia, a country that runs off of gas and oil revenues. Internally we're facing high inflation. Inflation is heavily affected by energy prices. The obvious move is to temporarily abandon green energy goals and push to maximize energy production and exports. Approve drilling and pipelines then subsize the infrastructure to export our energy to Europe. This directly cuts Russian influence while expanding our influence, decreasing our inflation and vastly reducing Russian profits they need to fight the war. Unfortunately we are unwilling to make the obvious moves to protect our international and internal interests. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:12:49 AM EDT
[#5]
Just have to note at this point in the thread almost exactly 87% of ARFCOM believes the government is lying to them.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:12:55 AM EDT
[#6]
trust the government and government-controlled media? dah dah tovarisch.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:14:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oil at $30 a barrel would hurt Putin far worse than a hundred HIMARs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's frustrating how inept our chief policy maker is. We're fighting a proxy war with Russia, a country that runs off of gas and oil revenues. Internally we're facing high inflation. Inflation is heavily affected by energy prices. The obvious move is to temporarily abandon green energy goals and push to maximize energy production and exports. Approve drilling and pipelines then subsize the infrastructure to export our energy to Europe. This directly cuts Russian influence while expanding our influence, decreasing our inflation and vastly reducing Russian profits they need to fight the war. Unfortunately we are unwilling to make the obvious moves to protect our international and internal interests. Yeah, but our donor class wouldn’t be able to pay off their debts for pennies on the dollar without inflation. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:18:27 AM EDT
[#8]
Russia is run by an evil man.
Ukraine has the right to self determination. Fuck Putin. Fuck his KGB ass with a cactus. The only reasonable action is to support Ukraine against KGB Vlad and Russia. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:19:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oil at $30 a barrel would hurt Putin far worse than a hundred HIMARs. I've got no problem with giving them HIMARS too, but cheap energy is the obvious answer that will make a huge difference. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:20:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine taking things at face value. Next you'll tell me the Patriot Act was patriotic and the Inflation Reduction Act will help reduce inflation. It probably will, because of the concessions on fossil fuel production. I don't believe the MSM, and I don't consume their product. I think Ukraine has a lot in common with Kuwait. Yes Putin/Saddam is a thug, yes they invaded a neighbor, and the "free world" decided to support that neighbor, but we had a ton of shady dealings in that country before things kicked off, a diplomatic solution would have been relatively simple if we'd had decent leadership that wasn't directly involved in the corruption, and the invader had much more pressing national interests at stake than anyone let on. Day to day I don't follow events. Nothing I can do about it and there's only so much tragedy I can get invested in. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:23:56 AM EDT
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You would have to be a moron to believe the government at face value, same with the media which acts as the Democrat's propaganda arm. During the last 20 years it has been non stop lies about everything.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:24:21 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. We should be making oil and gas as inexpensive as possible. Cut their profits as much as possible. I've got no problem with giving them HIMARS too, but cheap energy is the obvious answer that will make a huge difference. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:25:42 AM EDT
[#13]
What are you questioning?
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:35:08 AM EDT
[#14]
The Left is pushing as hard as they can to get the Russians to hit us. Then they will have the war they think they need.
See todays last aide package yet. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:35:31 AM EDT
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I believe the Russians more than our own media and government on this issue. Honestly I follow a few youtubers inside Russia that do a pretty good job give me the inside Russia information which seems way more plausible than our governments.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:39:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe the Russians more than our own media and government on this issue. Honestly I follow a few youtubers inside Russia that do a pretty good job give me the inside Russia information which seems way more plausible than our governments. When they all agree on something, like a Venn diagram, that's how I know what the truth is. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:40:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which country is an open society? Sure as hell isn’t us. We aren’t? How so? |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:41:42 AM EDT
[#18]
Title and poll title are different.
voted no  of course they're lying |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:42:10 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We aren’t? How so? Go online and post what a woman is. See if you have a job the next day, depending on where you work. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:50:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is run by an evil man. Ukraine has the right to self determination. Fuck Putin. Fuck his KGB ass with a cactus. The only reasonable action is to support Ukraine against KGB Vlad and Russia. Is it? I don't know the right answer. Do you think Zalensky is clean? Do you think he's a lesser evil than Putin? If so, why? Personally, I put Zalensky right next to his mentor, Trudeau. A worthless POS. I believe absolutely nothing the media has portrayed of him...nothing. Not my circus, not my monkeys. I know little facts about what's going on. I'm all for giving them humanitarian aid. Give them med supplies, and help get refugees out. The US is openly giving arms and military aid to Ukraine. For all you kill Russia warmongers...remember...everything you know about this war was pushed on you. You've been spoon fed to love Ukraine. Ask yourself this: Do I trust the media? Do I trust this administration? If the answer is no, i suggest questioning your position on this conflict. I freely admit I could be 100% wrong. I just can't believe a media that's lied to us for so long could all of a sudden do a 180 and tell us the truth. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:54:40 AM EDT
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not sure why anyone would still get all there info from MSM anyways when there are a mega shit ton of info available online through countless independents. social media has changed the way people get info, you just have to use your brain to sort through all the propaganda.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:56:04 AM EDT
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I know the war is real, but it’s a Democrat money laundering scheme.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 12:57:48 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know the war is real, but it’s a Democrat money laundering scheme. alex jones tell you that? lol |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 1:01:29 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is run by an evil man. Ukraine has the right to self determination. Fuck Putin. Fuck his KGB ass with a cactus. The only reasonable action is to support Ukraine against KGB Vlad and Russia. Yeah but why give the assholes that gave us Putin and baited Ukraine and now want us to pay for their incompetence and lack of empathy in foreign policy cover? Fuck them too. In GD fashion, get both. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 1:02:29 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it? I don't know the right answer. Do you think Zalensky is clean? Do you think he's a lesser evil than Putin? If so, why? Personally, I put Zalensky right next to his mentor, Trudeau. A worthless POS. I believe absolutely nothing the media has portrayed of him...nothing. Not my circus, not my monkeys. I know little facts about what's going on. I'm all for giving them humanitarian aid. Give them med supplies, and help get refugees out. The US is openly giving arms and military aid to Ukraine. For all you kill Russia warmongers...remember...everything you know about this war was pushed on you. You've been spoon fed to love Ukraine. Ask yourself this: Do I trust the media? Do I trust this administration? If the answer is no, i suggest questioning your position on this conflict. I freely admit I could be 100% wrong. I just can't believe a media that's lied to us for so long could all of a sudden do a 180 and tell us the truth. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. You know as much as i cringed at kamalas preschool explanation of what is going on over there you don't need to know whole lot more. Russia is a big country they invaded ukraine which is a smaller country and that is bad. There is not much of any justification russia can give which validates their actions in the ukraine. Ukraine can be dirty as fuck globohomo whatever that doesn't mean you get to go flatten cities. Truth is the first casualty of war but i don't see a whole lot beyond rah rah go ukraine/russia or ukraine/russia is bad and bombing babies/nazis... I don't listen to much of what our fed gov says but it seems like they just want to send weapons to bolster the mil industrial complex and take a chunk out of a historic us adversary. We haven't put boots on the ground and that would be my main concern. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 1:29:48 AM EDT
[#26]
Quoted: Title says it all. Do you think we are being told the truth about what is going on, or are we being fed a steady diet of propaganda? Poll is inbound like a GMLRS rocket. Or a Kalibr missile if you swing that way. At this point, I don't trust *anyone.* |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:15:47 AM EDT
[#27]
"It's worth lying to stop the Russian bear before he takes over the world!"
"The lying is actually saving us money" |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:22:21 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or we go broke which is what happened to them in Afghanistan. Not exactly the same but if Russia can bleed us for years, as this looks to be heading, then they may get their own Reagan moment. Or maybe they are just incompetent. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IMO his original strategy was to fold Ukraine within a few weeks. Now he's stuck grinding it out, which he has a decent chance of still winning, especially if the Atlanticists quit supporting Ukraine. If we keep feeding arms and supplies to Ukraine, and Ukraine is still willing to throw fighters into the fray, they may be able to keep going longer than Putin is willing or able to. Or we go broke which is what happened to them in Afghanistan. Not exactly the same but if Russia can bleed us for years, as this looks to be heading, then they may get their own Reagan moment. Or maybe they are just incompetent. I am against the US primarily funding this war but we aren’t going to go broke before Russia. This war is the perfect opportunity to step back and make Europe step forward for their own defense bu we aren’t doing that |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:23:34 AM EDT
[#29]
of course the gov is lying.
About what, is the question. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:24:16 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's frustrating how inept our chief policy maker is. We're fighting a proxy war with Russia, a country that runs off of gas and oil revenues. Internally we're facing high inflation. Inflation is heavily affected by energy prices. The obvious move is to temporarily abandon green energy goals and push to maximize energy production and exports. Approve drilling and pipelines then subsize the infrastructure to export our energy to Europe. This directly cuts Russian influence while expanding our influence, decreasing our inflation and vastly reducing Russian profits they need to fight the war. Unfortunately we are unwilling to make the obvious moves to protect our international and internal interests. It's intentional. They weren't "warning" people about Russia. They were giving them the green light. They wanted it to happen. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:24:57 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's frustrating how inept our chief policy maker is. We're fighting a proxy war with Russia, a country that runs off of gas and oil revenues. Internally we're facing high inflation. Inflation is heavily affected by energy prices. The obvious move is to temporarily abandon green energy goals and push to maximize energy production and exports. Approve drilling and pipelines then subsize the infrastructure to export our energy to Europe. This directly cuts Russian influence while expanding our influence, decreasing our inflation and vastly reducing Russian profits they need to fight the war. Unfortunately we are unwilling to make the obvious moves to protect our international and internal interests. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or we go broke which is what happened to them in Afghanistan. Not exactly the same but if Russia can bleed us for years, as this looks to be heading, then they may get their own Reagan moment. Or maybe they are just incompetent. Unfortunately we are unwilling to make the obvious moves to protect our international and internal interests. Agree 1000%. Nobody is that stupid. Our own actions are hurting the American people and helping Russia. Why? |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:26:08 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't believe anyone. That FPNI thing. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:28:08 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: alex jones tell you that? lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know the war is real, but it’s a Democrat money laundering scheme. alex jones tell you that? lol It is certainly fishy. Why don’t we expand our domestic energy production to hurt Russia? Why don’t we slow our spending on the war and make Europe pay their share? We are certainly being manipulated. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:42:23 AM EDT
[#34]
No I do not.
However, there isn’t any government or media outlet extant that I trust any more than ours, either…. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:45:23 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: Title says it all. Do you think we are being told the truth about what is going on, or are we being fed a steady diet of propaganda? Poll is inbound like a GMLRS rocket. Or a Kalibr missile if you swing that way. no need for a poll, just go look and read at all the posts simping hard for ukrops, especially veterans, pretty gross. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:45:58 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good point, we need to decide the definition of that. The definition of it and the reality of it are two very different things. Kind of like Liberal. 
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:47:13 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They also said that artificial sweeteners were safe, WMDs were in Iraq, and Anna Nicole married for love.  Attached File8654 |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:51:42 AM EDT
[#38]
There is no self-determination. The west will demand certain concessions from Zelenskyy. People are wondering why they're looking at legalizing gay marriage in the middle of a war. Seems pretty ridiculous, right? Well that's (part of) the price of western aid. They'll also have to eventually implement a lot of the green nonsense as well.
The west is far less openly authoritarian, but "we" aren't supporting a Ukraine that is free to decide its own destiny either. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:53:06 AM EDT
[#39]
I assume the media and the US government isn't telling us the truth ever about anything.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 8:58:18 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They also said that artificial sweeteners were safe, WMDs were in Iraq, and Anna Nicole married for love. She had some big ol boobies. RIP to those giant cans. 
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:00:17 AM EDT
[#41]
They lie about everything, none of it is for a good cause.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:01:24 AM EDT
[#42]
I am 200% believe in Afcom that.....
Ukraine had been winning backward for last six months just keep giving them money and weapon |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:02:00 AM EDT
[#43]
If you don’t think they are lying you need your head examined. Seriously.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:10:11 AM EDT
[#44]
I don’t believe the US Government or Media on just about anything.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:28:47 AM EDT
[#45]
Under Zero if he said the sky was blue I concluded that I should go outside and look for myself because if he said it he did so for a reason.
He was not one to waste his time and if he did something on camera he was on mission for someone to make money or gain power or just to destroy America. things were not ready yet under Zero Trump set them back Now they rushing to get things done What are they moving to is the question Everybody has an opinion Who is correct |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:44:59 AM EDT
[#46]
Ahhhhh the broken brains of gd
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:50:36 AM EDT
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Any logical person would know the narrative is being controlled when Russian web sites and media outlets started getting banned/blocked.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 10:04:32 AM EDT
[#48]
I don't really believe in anything the US government or the media says. I've lost faith in both.
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:32:33 AM EDT
[#49]
People lie.
Sometimes they first tell themselves the lie, ignoring inconvenient facts, in order to justify their beliefs... Or because the actual facts take time and effort to understand. Sometimes people lie to protect themselves from the consequences of their actions. Sometimes they lie to get what they want. And sometimes they lie just for the hell of it. And things are usually very complicated when it comes to complex systems like international relationships. When you look back at pretty much any war in history you will see that the causes were much more complicated than the victors (or the defeated) want you to think. Very often there were no good guys, just different degrees of bad guys. The Russo-Ukrainian war is no different. You have the Russians lying like crazy in trying to justify the invasion. And then you have Ukraine trying to sweep Russia's legitimate grievances under the rug. You have Soros and the EU hoping everyone forgets the crap they pulled to overthrow the legitimate Ukrainian government. You have a bunch of American politicians hoping that their shady dealings don't become public knowledge... well, more public than they already are. And then you have the people I see as victims. The Russian people who are having their sons killed in a stupid war. The Ukrainians who are having everyone killed, and their country torn up by this stupid war. The people in the third world who may starve as a result of this stupid war. And the Western taxpayers who are having to both fund this stupid war and pay higher prices due to the economic impacts. Anyway, I don't trust any government, or any media to tell me the full and complete truth of anything. |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 11:49:11 AM EDT
[#50]
The only voices I trust on the Uke-Russo war are youtubers Perun and Peter Zeiker.
Like a crap table, there are many different angles to play. The Nationalist: Ukraine territorial sovereignty. Russian forward defense strategy. They need Uke territory as an invasion buffer. The Peace of Westphalia stuff... The Globalist: Use a Uke-Russo war to break Russia and carve up their national resources. Globalmultinationals want to add russian minerals and energy they control. Should the advise of Gen Smedley Butler be ignored? |
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