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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:34:36 PM EDT
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Details much?
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:35:45 PM EDT
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In for details.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:35:53 PM EDT
[#3]
I don't understand why the Republicans are standing by and letting this happen.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:36:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:41:25 PM EDT
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What the fuck is rank choice voting?
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:42:47 PM EDT
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They are literally stealing elections across the country.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:43:53 PM EDT
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Dems are trying very hard to steal some of the elections here.
A damn judge just gave then an extension to recount. 
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:43:59 PM EDT
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What the fuck is rank choice voting? |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:44:42 PM EDT
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Hey, we just want our newly "imported" citizens to feel right at home with a banana republic.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:45:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:45:42 PM EDT
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I don't understand why the Republicans are standing by and letting this happen. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:46:14 PM EDT
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Here in Missouri people vote. The next day someone wins. What in the hell is going on in all these other states. Do they just wake up the morning of elections and wing it?
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:46:28 PM EDT
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All instant runoff ballot designs have some flaws (FPTP is also deeply flawed as well) but it was the law going into the election. Democrats steal elections when they get judges to change the rulez in the middle or after. This was not a change in rules.
Mike |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:48:57 PM EDT
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They are literally stealing elections across the country. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:55:27 PM EDT
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Asugh as I HATE Jared golden , fuck Bruce poloquin !!
He has always been a never Trumper!!! Drain the swamp !! MAGA 2020 grab em !! |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:56:05 PM EDT
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What the fuck is rank choice voting? You "rank" all candidates by number. If no one gets 50% of the vote then they count people's 2nd choice as a first choice vote. People apparently didn't understand that you don't have to rank them. Just select the person you want as your 1st choice. And leave the rest blank. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:58:13 PM EDT
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States rights issue. Maine decided to make this election policy.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:59:19 PM EDT
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What the fuck is rank choice voting? So, when you cast your ballot, your initial vote goes to your first choice. A ranking might go as follows: 1. Republican candidate 2. Constitution Party candidate 3. Libertarian candidate 4. independent candidate 5. Democratic candidate 6. Socialist Worker's candidate So with that ranking cast, your vote goes on the initial count to the Republican candidate. If a candidate wins 50% + 1 of the votes, that candidate wins. If not, the candidate with the lowest number of votes is dropped off and the votes for that candidate are counted towards the second choice of the respective voters. So, let's say that somehow the Republican above got the lowest number of votes and gets dropped. Your vote is then counted as for the Constitution Party candidate. If after this is done someone gets 50% + 1, that person wins. If not, the person with the lowest count gets dropped and the votes for him recast according to the ranking. So if we go to a third round and now the Socialist candidate is on the bottom, he is dropped. Your vote is still counted for the Constitution Party candidate and will not in any round be cast for the Socialist. This can in theory continue until there are only two candidates left, at which point one or the other will win absent a tie (how ties are broken can vary and don't relate to this system). If you choose not to rank anyone other than your first choice, your vote is counted for him in every round until he is dropped, at which point it's not counted at all, as I understand it. Same in the end if you only rank some candidates and all get dropped before the final count. Conversely, your vote is never counted for anyone you did not pick initially or rank. It's a way to require an absolute majority rather than first-past-the-post's plurality requirement to win while avoiding holding a run-off election. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:02:35 PM EDT
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Asugh as I HATE Jared golden , fuck Bruce poloquin !! He has always been a never Trumper!!! Drain the swamp !! MAGA 2020 grab em !! |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:06:33 PM EDT
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Ranked Choice isn't "stealing an election".
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:08:12 PM EDT
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The reason why this favoured the Democrats is that most third party and independent candidates are Leftists, and so are their supporters, in most elections in most States. Such voters will tend to rank Democrats before Republicans in their rankings. The more rounds there are, the more votes the Democrat gets and the more he stands to gain, potentially, overall. If it gets down to him and the Republican, he'll end up getting far more additional votes than the Republican most of the time.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:09:50 PM EDT
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Ranked Choice isn't "stealing an election". |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:11:57 PM EDT
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Wow as if our Maine blue f'ing tsunami was not bad enough that little prick won the 2nd district. The people of this state can be so stupid sometimes
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:12:36 PM EDT
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Ranked Choice isn't "stealing an election". Poliquin won on the 6th. By a few thousand votes. End of story. All the people's so called favorite choices were counted, he came out on top. Ranked choice is stupid. They've tried it in other states and it's always failed. Leave it to Maine to be the only state doing it now. Not to mention a majority of people didn't know you could just fill out your 1st choice only and leave the rest blank. The manager or whatever you call him at the voting place tried telling people you HAD to fill in all 4 choices. Which was a blatant lie. As was him telling people you couldn't rank your candidate of choice as number 1 2 3 and 4. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:13:38 PM EDT
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'Ranked choice'??
The fuck is that??? How can that play into a popular vote??? |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:13:43 PM EDT
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The reason why this favoured the Democrats is that most third party and independent candidates are Leftists, and so are their supporters, in most elections in most States. Such voters will tend to rank Democrats before Republicans in their rankings. The more rounds there are, the more votes the Democrat gets and the more he stands to gain, potentially, overall. If it gets down to him and the Republican, he'll end up getting far more additional votes than the Republican most of the time. Independent voters probably chose Golden as choice #2 |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:14:15 PM EDT
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Yes it is. Poliquin won on the 6th. By a few thousand votes. End of story. All the people's so called favorite choices were counted, he came out on top. Ranked choice is stupid. They've tried it in other states and it's always failed. Leave it to Maine to be the only state doing it now. Not to mention a majority of people didn't know you could just fill out your 1st choice only and leave the rest blank. The manager or whatever you call him at the voting place tried telling people you HAD to fill in all 4 choices. Which was a blatant lie. As was him telling people you couldn't rank your candidate of choice as number 1 2 3 and 4. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ranked Choice isn't "stealing an election". Poliquin won on the 6th. By a few thousand votes. End of story. All the people's so called favorite choices were counted, he came out on top. Ranked choice is stupid. They've tried it in other states and it's always failed. Leave it to Maine to be the only state doing it now. Not to mention a majority of people didn't know you could just fill out your 1st choice only and leave the rest blank. The manager or whatever you call him at the voting place tried telling people you HAD to fill in all 4 choices. Which was a blatant lie. As was him telling people you couldn't rank your candidate of choice as number 1 2 3 and 4. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:16:22 PM EDT
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What the fuck is rank choice voting? |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:16:31 PM EDT
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The reason why this favoured the Democrats is that most third party and independent candidates are Leftists, and so are their supporters, in most elections in most States. Such voters will tend to rank Democrats before Republicans in their rankings. The more rounds there are, the more votes the Democrat gets and the more he stands to gain, potentially, overall. If it gets down to him and the Republican, he'll end up getting far more additional votes than the Republican most of the time. So according to them, we should be rabidly supporting ranked choice voting. So which is it? |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:20:25 PM EDT
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Dems are trying very hard to steal some of the elections here. A damn judge just gave then an extension to recount.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:23:10 PM EDT
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Who said you couldn't rank the R in each slot?
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:27:55 PM EDT
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Dems are trying very hard to steal some of the elections here. A damn judge just gave then an extension to recount. If the judge rules contrary to the clear intent of the writers, then the judge should be removed. That law should be written in plain language, and unless not Constitutional, then stand on its own without comparison to other laws in different parts of the country. It should reflect the will of the people it affects, not kowtow to outside interests. That is my opinion, and I'm certain our judge can illuminate the reasons I'm wrong in practice. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:30:27 PM EDT
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I have a hard time beliveing that so many races are so close.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:35:10 PM EDT
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Ranked Choice sounds like some major bullshit to me, but I admit I was unfamiliar with it before now.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:36:04 PM EDT
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I have a hard time beliveing that so many races are so close. Hence the screaming on the sidewalk the day of President Trump's inauguration and the belief that every close race that a person's "side" loses must be explained by election fraud or voter suppression. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:39:28 PM EDT
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What the fuck is rank choice voting? I am an election judge. This year we had a primary election, a special election, a primary run off, a midterm election, a second special election, and should have had 2 special election run offs, I don't recall if one or both of those were conceded. A ranked choice could have saved money (abet most of the waste was the 2 special elections and I think their run offs were conceded. We had both our state house and or US house reps quit mid term. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:46:28 PM EDT
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What the fuck is rank choice voting? 
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:52:49 PM EDT
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For those of you who know nothing about Maine politics
Maine 2nd District has been the Republican base of the state. It went for Trump in 2016. What happens when the ballot box becomes invalid........ |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 3:07:37 PM EDT
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For those of you who know nothing about Maine politics Maine 2nd District has been the Republican base of the state. It went for Trump in 2016. What happens when the ballot box becomes invalid........ Or the memes just weren't dank enough, but it is definitely one of those two reasons. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 3:10:04 PM EDT
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What the fuck is rank choice voting? |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 3:10:14 PM EDT
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I don't understand why the Republicans are standing by and letting this happen. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 3:16:46 PM EDT
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Because most republicans in office are democrats in disguise, or complete pussies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand why the Republicans are standing by and letting this happen. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 3:17:41 PM EDT
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We're at a point in our society that too many people intentionally or inadvertently place themselves in echo chambers. Hence the screaming on the sidewalk the day of President Trump's inauguration and the belief that every close race that a person's "side" loses must be explained by election fraud or voter suppression. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a hard time beliveing that so many races are so close. Hence the screaming on the sidewalk the day of President Trump's inauguration and the belief that every close race that a person's "side" loses must be explained by election fraud or voter suppression. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 3:21:05 PM EDT
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Who said you couldn't rank the R in each slot? |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 3:24:18 PM EDT
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Not stolen, and ranked choice voting is a good idea and one of the few chances we might ever get at a viable 3rd party.
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Posted: 11/15/2018 3:40:51 PM EDT
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How many races have occurred when the 3rd party (libertarian or green) “spoiled” the election
. IRV prevents that You get to vote your heart first (say libertarian) then your head. Without risking a socialist win. If you can’t figure out voter ranking. You might be too stupid to vote. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:12:23 PM EDT
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I have a hard time beliveing that so many races are so close. Any poll will show that the country is essentially split down the middle, politically. If you spend all your time on arfcom and Facebook and listen to am talk radio and watch Fox news you would get the impression that conservatism is the norm. It isn't. Neither is liberalism. Most people are living well between the two extremes and hold conflicting views on a variety of subjects. But for better or worse there are effectively only two parties and most people end up voting a straight ticket for one or the other, and there are just as many Democrats as there are Republicans. Ranked voting is, incidentally, one way to break out of the tyranny of the two party system, and should be encouraged. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:18:33 PM EDT
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Having done some reading and seeing better examples of how it works, I retract my statement on Ranked Choice being BS. I wasn't fully grasping how it worked.
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