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Posted: 1/23/2021 9:09:56 PM EDT
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When I worked part-time as a ramp rat, whenever we de-fueled a kerosene burner, we used 1 specific truck for it (not all fuel trucks has the defuel capability) and ran the fuel through some really fine particulate and water filters before putting it back in service.
The aircraft owner was reimbursed at the FBO's purchase price or given a fuel credit if it was a home-based bird or a regular customer. Policy was minimum 100 gallons for a defuel, unless the plane was coming in for maintenance and had to be defueled; in that case, the fuel taken out was put back in after the maintenance was done. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 9:42:19 PM EDT
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Some places give you a discounted credit
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Posted: 1/23/2021 9:55:31 PM EDT
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Many FBO's will not de-fuel, and its understandable, lawyers and all...
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:24:50 PM EDT
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De-fueling can be a nightmare. My local FBO won’t do it but we have transferred fuel from one jet to another.
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Posted: 1/23/2021 11:14:24 PM EDT
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I flew a Beech 400 for the air force for a bit... if we had fuel issues we'd normally just burn it down before taking off. There are more than a few stories of a crew sitting on the ground for an hour with the parking brake set, letting it burn.
Admittedly, it was a relatively small tank on that bird. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 1:02:48 AM EDT
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There are very few FBO's these days who will defuel. It is considered contaminated fuel once it comes off an airplane, as it has not gone through the FBO's supply chain and inspection procedures and is really an unknown quality. Not to mention the state of the airplanes fuel tank interior. Any FBO that puts defueled fuel into another aircraft is severely opening themselves up to liability, and most of them know it.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 2:32:20 AM EDT
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When I was flying little planes in Alaska; Jet Fuel that comes out of the tanks goes into the waste oil burning heater, or the bosses diesel pickup. AvGas drained from the sump goes into my non-catalytic converter equipped pickup.
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Posted: 1/24/2021 2:42:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I flew a Beech 400 for the air force for a bit... if we had fuel issues we'd normally just burn it down before taking off. There are more than a few stories of a crew sitting on the ground for an hour with the parking brake set, letting it burn. Admittedly, it was a relatively small tank on that bird. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 9:09:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are very few FBO's these days who will defuel. It is considered contaminated fuel once it comes off an airplane, as it has not gone through the FBO's supply chain and inspection procedures and is really an unknown quality. Not to mention the state of the airplanes fuel tank interior. Any FBO that puts defueled fuel into another aircraft is severely opening themselves up to liability, and most of them know it. This is very true, and like others have so, those that will, won't put it in another plane. My part-time ramp rat gig was 25 years ago. Things were a little different then. Not smarter, just different. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 10:48:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I rode along on a charter flight where taking off with enough fuel to make it to the alternate airport meant landing too heavy at out destination. This was in a 737-800. The landing gear was down for a large chunk of that flight.... Wouldn't the excess fuel burn mean that you couldn't make the alternate anyway? I get that some places this is a thing, but seems like poor flight planning to me. Or at least a bad selection of aircraft for the mission. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:24:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I rode along on a charter flight where taking off with enough fuel to make it to the alternate airport meant landing too heavy at out destination. This was in a 737-800. The landing gear was down for a large chunk of that flight.... 1. That doesn’t make any sense and I find it incredibly hard to believe. 2. If that was in the USA it was also illegal. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 11:49:09 AM EDT
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Thanks for the responses, gents. It doesn't sound like it's a very common occurrence. It also sounds like something that might have once been more common that has now, like almost everything in aviation, been made effectively verboten by the de facto regulations of the underwriters. I read on another site of an FBO charging $1/gal and you were out the cost of the fuel. It makes me wonder what they do with such fuel?
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Posted: 1/24/2021 12:19:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1. That doesn't make any sense and I find it incredibly hard to believe. 2. If that was in the USA it was also illegal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I rode along on a charter flight where taking off with enough fuel to make it to the alternate airport meant landing too heavy at out destination. This was in a 737-800. The landing gear was down for a large chunk of that flight.... 1. That doesn't make any sense and I find it incredibly hard to believe. 2. If that was in the USA it was also illegal. 2. Not that it matters, but we were out of the USA soon after taking off, and we didn't land in the USA. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 1:24:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1. That doesn’t make any sense and I find it incredibly hard to believe. 2. If that was in the USA it was also illegal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I rode along on a charter flight where taking off with enough fuel to make it to the alternate airport meant landing too heavy at out destination. This was in a 737-800. The landing gear was down for a large chunk of that flight.... 1. That doesn’t make any sense and I find it incredibly hard to believe. 2. If that was in the USA it was also illegal. Only way that makes sense is if the airplane was overfueled/overweight and unable to be defueled, and the crew was trying to give an excuse that didn't sound like they or the dispachers just fucked up the fueling or planning. Pro tip- Never take a pilot's statements at face value. ;) Either way that one deserves a big wtf?! |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 4:03:16 AM EDT
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An old-timer told me that if I ever heard the word, "de-fuel" to go get something to eat. So when the depositions start, you could say you were eating when it happened and did not see anything.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 2:12:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the responses, gents. It doesn't sound like it's a very common occurrence. It also sounds like something that might have once been more common that has now, like almost everything in aviation, been made effectively verboten by the de facto regulations of the underwriters. I read on another site of an FBO charging $1/gal and you were out the cost of the fuel. It makes me wonder what they do with such fuel? Not very many FBOs do it anymore in my experience. We have a tough time finding people that will do it, unless it’s a 145 repair station or MRO. If the fuel isn’t contaminated, it can go back in the customers aircraft or in the defuelers’ GSE. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:18:14 PM EDT
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In 30 years of bizjet flying I’ve only seen it done at the request of maintenance and then at an MRO
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:39:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I rode along on a charter flight where taking off with enough fuel to make it to the alternate airport meant landing too heavy at out destination. This was in a 737-800. The landing gear was down for a large chunk of that flight.... |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 7:54:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How often did you dodge deer or geese on landing? |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:13:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are very few FBO's these days who will defuel. It is considered contaminated fuel once it comes off an airplane, as it has not gone through the FBO's supply chain and inspection procedures and is really an unknown quality. Not to mention the state of the airplanes fuel tank interior. Any FBO that puts defueled fuel into another aircraft is severely opening themselves up to liability, and most of them know it. FBO I worked at, over 20 years ago, had a truck that was capable of defueling and had some sort of filtration, but they would only defuel at the request of the maintenance shop, and even then the fuel was drained into large plastic trash cans (that the maintenance shop kept just for that purpose, so they were clean), then sucked up with a hose from the truck. That allowed a mechanic and the line guy to watch for any visible contamination in the fuel. I haven't got a clue how it was billed, though. In more recent years, I've seen fuel either condemned (mostly ended up in ground vehicles of various types), or drained into a fuel cart in the maintenance shop, then later put back into the same plane (with a filtration system on the cart). |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 3:58:47 PM EDT
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Never had to worry about that on the big aircraft. Usually defueling because of an inop fuel gauge or some other idiot putting fuel in wrong tank.
Defueling was a bitch. FBO? Only problems were getting the bizjet customers to buy more fuel. Many would show up fat FOB. |
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