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Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:05:18 AM EST
[#1]
So they aren't changing job responsibilities, just whose name is on the paycheck. Got it.
brownells
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:08:04 AM EST
[#2]
Most company in the cyber world have a limited number of entry level pipeline jobs that they can bin non-cleared people in waiting for their TS

If all they need is a secret, that is not a high bar and won’t get them into the more interesting programs.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:10:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By USNGM2:
So they aren't changing job responsibilities, just whose name is on the paycheck. Got it.
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Yeap
Though I think this is journalist/activist wishcasting.

The new Psyop (that the greybars fall for), is that EV-man, idiot billionaire and Paypal guy with an EV-startup, NASA-startup, etc, is Stepping In ItTM.

He simply has to run Twitter in a way that makes sense to the know-nothing journalists who have never actually done anything in their lives.
If it doesn't make sense to the smoothbrained know-nothings, he must be making mistake.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:11:58 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
If you think there isnt great talent at Twitter, you're wrong. Most of them were there because they liked the benefits and work/life balance. Once thats gone, they dont have a reason to stay.
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Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:14:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:


I have well over 30 years military/DOE/DoD contractor work under my belt. I have seen many individuals lose their job after popping hot on a piss test. We have regular random piss tests. Just a few months ago security pulled badges and escorted individuals off the installation for hot tests.
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I always won the lottery.     My record for being randomly selected is 15/15. I got one random by pass and then went 14/14 before my retirement.

Random my ass.  There were those in the “in” crowd who never got selected.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:16:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:


Musk offered those people the chance to do something totally unique and amazing. He cant offer that for Twitter. So all the good people are on their way out the door, if they didnt leave already.
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
Originally Posted By juan223:
Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
If you think there isnt great talent at Twitter, you're wrong. Most of them were there because they liked the benefits and work/life balance. Once thats gone, they dont have a reason to stay.



it's an online text message board for Christ's sake.  Musk has been able to wrangle the right talent to put lots of stuff in space and some of it even lands itself in a way I never expected to see in my lifetime.  I'm confident he'll be able to keep and attract the right talent to keep an online text messaging board running...  


Musk offered those people the chance to do something totally unique and amazing. He cant offer that for Twitter. So all the good people are on their way out the door, if they didnt leave already.


Haha.  Mwahahah!  OMFG,  ROTFLMFAO!
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:21:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:


Do you have an active TS?
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:
Originally Posted By 1AEGW:


No piss test. I had to piss test in the commercial world regularly but not since becoming a DOD CTR. Never been an issue for me so don't really care, I just thought it was interesting that I didn't have to for the DOD but did for the private sector and I'm doing similar stuff.


Do you have an active TS?


Not today ISIS
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:21:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By origbadbob:
A few years back Google had a employee revolt over Google getting a DOD contract (GPS for drones?).  I don't think too many Twitter people will want to work for DOD,
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This was my thought.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:28:47 AM EST
[#9]
This is a prototypical GD thread.
Many truths, half-truths, outright wrongs, and a few tidbits of wisdom thrown out for consumption.
I have a hard time with these, how much do I share, how much can I? Most times I choose not to participate.

Let's break down Twitter:
A containerized application leveraging microservices and persistent storage (that damn 140 char limit).
Definitely Cloud based some might even say native?!?

If you are any type of a systems/software engineer that has container/cloud experience and can get a TS, you are gold in the eyes of DoD.

And with that I have exceeded my 140 character limit.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:30:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Geralt55:


Yeap
Though I think this is journalist/activist wishcasting.

The new Psyop (that the greybars fall for), is that EV-man, idiot billionaire and Paypal guy with an EV-startup, NASA-startup, etc, is Stepping In ItTM.

He simply has to run Twitter in a way that makes sense to the know-nothing journalists who have never actually done anything in their lives.
If it doesn't make sense to the smoothbrained know-nothings, he must be making mistake.
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pretty much
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:41:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Palm:

I always won the lottery.     My record for being randomly selected is 15/15. I got one random by pass and then went 14/14 before my retirement.

Random my ass.  There were those in the “in” crowd who never got selected.
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I had a backing incident a few years ago. I came up on every random test over the following year.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 10:43:10 AM EST
[#12]
That assumes that they weren’t 3 letter contractors to start with. (They were)
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 11:03:55 AM EST
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Are the ex-twits going to be expected to show up at some office like thing on a regular basis for many hours a day for like five days a week?  Will there be free food and meditation rooms and wine on tap?  

Entitled talent needs entitlements...
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 11:22:46 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Apec:
If you think shitbirds/people with casual drug use history aren't capable of getting or maintaining clearances, you haven't served long enough as military or DOD civilian personnel. I know people who smoked weed in school and got jobs at places like Booz Allen Hamilton, or were even on track to commissioning through ROTC.

Also you don't get piss tested working for beltway bandits, at least not for desk type work. Maybe handling vehicles or hazmat, sure, but I've never seen that in my career at companies supporting the DOD.
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Shit, I wasn't drug tested a single time. Nobody was. Even when one of the brown nose politician MS4s made it known in a staff meeting that a bunch of first and second year cadets attended house parties where everyone did recreational drugs and he was "pretty sure" the cadets did too.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 11:29:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Geralt55:


Yeap
Though I think this is journalist/activist wishcasting.

The new Psyop (that the greybars fall for), is that EV-man, idiot billionaire and Paypal guy with an EV-startup, NASA-startup, etc, is Stepping In ItTM.

He simply has to run Twitter in a way that makes sense to the know-nothing journalists who have never actually done anything in their lives.
If it doesn't make sense to the smoothbrained know-nothings, he must be making mistake.
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Originally Posted By Geralt55:
Originally Posted By USNGM2:
So they aren't changing job responsibilities, just whose name is on the paycheck. Got it.


Yeap
Though I think this is journalist/activist wishcasting.

The new Psyop (that the greybars fall for), is that EV-man, idiot billionaire and Paypal guy with an EV-startup, NASA-startup, etc, is Stepping In ItTM.

He simply has to run Twitter in a way that makes sense to the know-nothing journalists who have never actually done anything in their lives.
If it doesn't make sense to the smoothbrained know-nothings, he must be making mistake.

The death of journalism saddens me. Used to be you had to be pretty smart to be a journalist because you needed to write something insightful on all manner of topics.

Now you can just regurgitate a press release and call it good.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 11:33:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 01911:


They created the most significant global town hall possible. DoD could care less how they expand their creativity. These aren’t drone technicians.
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I have a hard time believing "they", the people who are whining in these videos, created anything at Twitter.  From what we've seen, Twitter was severely overburdened with rah-rah leftwing fellow travelers that really didn't do shit.  

Ooooh wait... you're right, they're perfect for working for the DoD.  They can do such hard hitting military things like planning the next Drag Queen Toddler Show for whatever shithole country we're going to next.   If that's the case, then they will be a huge asset to the military.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 11:33:49 AM EST
[#17]
I don't see a lot of crossover between silicon valley tech and DoD contractors.

- DoD unlikely to offer remote work
- silicon valley leans far left and most wont work for contractors
- engineering jobs in the defense sector have a reputation for paying much less than commercial
- H1B and green card holders wont be able to get a clearance
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:27:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Scott-S6:

The death of journalism saddens me. Used to be you had to be pretty smart to be a journalist because you needed to write something insightful on all manner of topics.

Now you can just regurgitate a press govt propaganda release and call it good.
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Originally Posted By Scott-S6:
Originally Posted By Geralt55:
Originally Posted By USNGM2:
So they aren't changing job responsibilities, just whose name is on the paycheck. Got it.


Yeap
Though I think this is journalist/activist wishcasting.

The new Psyop (that the greybars fall for), is that EV-man, idiot billionaire and Paypal guy with an EV-startup, NASA-startup, etc, is Stepping In ItTM.

He simply has to run Twitter in a way that makes sense to the know-nothing journalists who have never actually done anything in their lives.
If it doesn't make sense to the smoothbrained know-nothings, he must be making mistake.

The death of journalism saddens me. Used to be you had to be pretty smart to be a journalist because you needed to write something insightful on all manner of topics.

Now you can just regurgitate a press govt propaganda release and call it good.

Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:31:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RolandTommyGun:
I don't see a lot of crossover between silicon valley tech and DoD contractors.

- DoD unlikely to offer remote work
- silicon valley leans far left and most wont work for contractors
- engineering jobs in the defense sector have a reputation for paying much less than commercial
- H1B and green card holders wont be able to get a clearance
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Very few would go to work as DoD civilians, instead the bulk of the work is done via contractors. Depending on the program and level or access required to work, telework is often available
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:34:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RolandTommyGun:
I don't see a lot of crossover between silicon valley tech and DoD contractors.

- DoD unlikely to offer remote work
- silicon valley leans far left and most wont work for contractors
- engineering jobs in the defense sector have a reputation for paying much less than commercial
- H1B and green card holders wont be able to get a clearance
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BA HA HA HA HA .... who told you this shit dude?
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:35:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BoneB1B:


1/10 of an hour increments
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That's my current vibe
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:36:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:

LMAO

DoD is not requiring 1/10 of an hour time keeping by contractors. Its hilarious how GD has no idea how government contracting works.

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You're completely wrong
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:37:50 PM EST
[#23]
What the fed.gov means is that they'll have to do all of the Commie playbook stuff in-house now, rather than outsource it
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 12:46:27 PM EST
[#24]
Twitter Twats and Facebook Fucks will battle in the thunderdome for jobs
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:02:43 PM EST
[#25]
Good grief! They're all hippie communists! How can they work for the gov? Oh, nevermind....
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:19:46 PM EST
[#26]
How many actual tech people, software engineers etc actually got let go? All the examples I've seen have been people involved in the various censorship departments
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:38:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mariner82:
You do know that investigators go and talk to people, and not just the ones you list, right?  You sure none of them will spill the beans that you're high every night and all weekend? You think they don't check to see if you have medical marijuana card?  
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Originally Posted By Mariner82:
Originally Posted By Rifle_length:
I work with individuals who recently went through the clearance process. They did not have a piss test and just signed an affidavit of non drug use.
You do know that investigators go and talk to people, and not just the ones you list, right?  You sure none of them will spill the beans that you're high every night and all weekend? You think they don't check to see if you have medical marijuana card?  
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They do investigations over the phone because of WuFlu distancing.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:40:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 1cheapshot:
Hey idiots!!! You’re hiring anti American communists!!!
FOAD!! Our defense industry is one of our worst enemies……
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You'd be surprised at the number of woke liberals who work in defense.  Try reasoning with them that they work to make a product that is solely designed and used to kill people.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:44:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:

LMAO

DoD is not requiring 1/10 of an hour time keeping by contractors. Its hilarious how GD has no idea how government contracting works.

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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
Originally Posted By BoneB1B:
Originally Posted By FlatRangeOperator:


If they don't like weekly status updates they won't like DoD timekeeping requirements


1/10 of an hour increments

LMAO

DoD is not requiring 1/10 of an hour time keeping by contractors. Its hilarious how GD has no idea how government contracting works.


Now I know you're full of manure.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:46:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By R0N:

Very few would go to work as DoD civilians, instead the bulk of the work is done via contractors. Depending on the program and level or access required to work, telework is often available
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Originally Posted By R0N:
Originally Posted By RolandTommyGun:
I don't see a lot of crossover between silicon valley tech and DoD contractors.

- DoD unlikely to offer remote work
- silicon valley leans far left and most wont work for contractors
- engineering jobs in the defense sector have a reputation for paying much less than commercial
- H1B and green card holders wont be able to get a clearance

Very few would go to work as DoD civilians, instead the bulk of the work is done via contractors. Depending on the program and level or access required to work, telework is often available


That is the reputation in engineering jobs, especially software.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:47:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:


Do you have an active TS?
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:
Originally Posted By 1AEGW:


No piss test. I had to piss test in the commercial world regularly but not since becoming a DOD CTR. Never been an issue for me so don't really care, I just thought it was interesting that I didn't have to for the DOD but did for the private sector and I'm doing similar stuff.


Do you have an active TS?

Now if they really did they would not say on an open forum and it is just stupid to ask.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 1:54:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:


The dope smokers won't pass the piss test or the SF86 paperwork.
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being a communist isn't a disqualifier anymore. Might say it is on the paperwork - but that all gets swept under the rug.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 2:32:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:

LMAO

DoD is not requiring 1/10 of an hour time keeping by contractors. Its hilarious how GD has no idea how government contracting works.

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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
Originally Posted By BoneB1B:
Originally Posted By FlatRangeOperator:


If they don't like weekly status updates they won't like DoD timekeeping requirements


1/10 of an hour increments

LMAO

DoD is not requiring 1/10 of an hour time keeping by contractors. Its hilarious how GD has no idea how government contracting works.



... You're part of GD, so LOL indeed!
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 2:47:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 01911:


They created the most significant global town hall possible. DoD could care less how they expand their creativity. These aren’t drone technicians.
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Originally Posted By 01911:
Originally Posted By DamascusKnifemaker:
Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
Originally Posted By FlatRangeOperator:
How many will pass their SF86

Most will, easily.


The dope smokers won't pass the piss test or the SF86 paperwork.


They created the most significant global town hall possible. DoD could care less how they expand their creativity. These aren’t drone technicians.



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Link Posted: 11/24/2022 2:56:09 PM EST
[#35]
Like moths to a flame, the leftist agitators come in to gaslight.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 2:58:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Rifle_length:
I work with individuals who recently went through the clearance process. They did not have a piss test and just signed an affidavit of non drug use.
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Originally Posted By Rifle_length:
Originally Posted By TaskForce:


Contract/clearance requirements didn't go away.
I work with individuals who recently went through the clearance process. They did not have a piss test and just signed an affidavit of non drug use.


True dat for a clearance.

However, the big contractors have a pre-employment drug test.  Most still claim random screening programs, but that appears to have dwindled down to a trickle at most white collar sites. I'm sure the blue collar manufacturing sites, especially the ones with big unions, see a lot more participation.


Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:05:00 PM EST
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It was more of a rethorical question to point out that urine screenings still apply to many DoD contractors.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:12:10 PM EST
[#38]
Disgusting woke pampered millennial pigs moving from one gourmet feeding trough to another.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:13:38 PM EST
[#39]
are defense industry contractors prepared to offer the same amenities Big Tech workers are accustomed to?

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Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:18:05 PM EST
[#40]
Remember what Musk said he found when he first took over: there were 10 'managers' for every person writing code. That is a shit ton of bloat for a fancy message board  
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:19:19 PM EST
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Most will, easily.
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:
Originally Posted By FlatRangeOperator:
How many will pass their SF86

Most will, easily.


I'll take that bet.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:19:24 PM EST
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Remember what Musk said he found when he first took over: there were 10 'managers' for every person writing code. That is a shit ton of bloat for a fancy message board  
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10 to 1 is about the same as Gov.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 3:31:41 PM EST
[#43]
Yeah, i suspect that the vast majority of those let go are not anywhere near Top Talent material.
How many were content moderators that read tweets all day and banned the hurtful ones?
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:06:35 PM EST
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10 to 1 is about the same as Gov.
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Originally Posted By greyninja:
Originally Posted By mcantu:
Remember what Musk said he found when he first took over: there were 10 'managers' for every person writing code. That is a shit ton of bloat for a fancy message board  

10 to 1 is about the same as Gov.

No kidding, eight people in a code review, the author and maybe one other person has any idea what that code does.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:13:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SBR_Slut:
are defense industry contractors prepared to offer the same amenities Big Tech workers are accustomed to?

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That's one of the reasons a lot of big tech companies are bloated.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:39:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DeathMetalMedic:


lTz JusT A M3sSage BoARd

With 200+ million active users, dealing with dozens of languages and governments, with living streaming. These people are using coding and algorithms every day.

If you really think ~4,000 people were able to read and censor 500 million tweets a day, then you either have no idea what you're talking about, or you are vastly underestimating their work ethic
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Show us on the doll where Mr. Musk hurt you.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 5:52:42 PM EST
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This was my thought.
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Originally Posted By origbadbob:
A few years back Google had a employee revolt over Google getting a DOD contract (GPS for drones?).  I don't think too many Twitter people will want to work for DOD,


This was my thought.

Yeah, my sense is the number of SV people that will be willing (and eligible) to work defense isnt that large.  And its not just twitter, lots of jobs will be shed from tech over the next year or so, so the competition will be fierce.  A piss test by the company may be used as an early filter before they go down the road of paying for a background check.  

Not a good time to be looking for a job in tech and its not like defense is swimming in so much money that you can find a job that's not at a big facility or close to a customer and both possibilities are likely to be in red areas.

Sucks for them
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 6:00:34 PM EST
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This thread is weird.  

I'm following, but choosing not to participate in a meaningful way.
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 6:07:55 PM EST
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are defense industry contractors prepared to offer the same amenities Big Tech workers are accustomed to?

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For the top tech talent at Twitter (top 5% of experienced SWE's) a DOD contract gig isn't going to be in the same ballpark

Probably a dream job for a "content moderator" though lol
Link Posted: 11/24/2022 6:20:51 PM EST
[#50]

Yes, lets hire the chaff from Twitter to build weapon systems and work in government agencies. Nothing bad could come of this.
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